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Who Is The “Blue Man” Waving Instructions To Gargasoulas Before The Killing Spree?

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222Outside Flinders Street Station, a man in a blue top waves instructions to the driver that killed several pedestrians along Burke Street Mall

Update article 6/2/17 here.

By Dee Mclachlan

I wrote an article yesterday about Dimitrious (‘Jimmy’) Gargasoulas, being chased by the police in Melbourne’s CBD. He was doing “doughnuts” outside Flinders Street Station — seeming waiting for and taunting police. Followed by three silver cars, he drove down Swanston Street (which is closed to general traffic), then ramping onto the pavement, he mowed down pedestrians.

He has so far killed 5 people and injured many more.

I now have more to say, thanks to comments that Gary posted, referring to the video I had provided. Gary noted the man wearing a blue top was seemingly waving instructions.

I analysed this in slow motion and this man — the “blue man” — seems to be signalling to Garasgoulas while he is doing doughnuts.

There are several parts to this man’s actions:

  1. The red Holden is circling with Garasgoulas leaning far out the window — looking at the crowds. Is he waiting for someone, or waiting for a signal? He does several doughnuts.
  2. Then we see the blue man appear and move to the driver’s window of a stationary silver car which is waiting in the tram tracks. (This turns out, I presume, to be one of the unmarked police cars.)
  3. The blue man then runs toward the intersection and gestures to the Holden. The blue man points, then gestures as if he is holding a steering wheel, and turning it. Is he indicating to Garasgoulas to “keep circling“?
  4. As a second identical silver (unmarked) car arrives behind him, then the blue man raises both arms in the air. Why? Could this be “We’re all here, this is your last circle,”  or maybe it is a general signal to all — “standby.”
  5. Then as a third unmarked car pulls up, the blue man keeps his left arm raised (pointing towards Swanston Street) — and waves his right hand, gesturing to Garasgoulas to move along. He is even standing in front of one of the silver cars. Is the blue man indicating to Garasgoulas that “You can head down Swanston Street now.”blue-man
  6. With the blue man waving, the three unmarked cars — in unison — turn left neatly BEHIND the Holden — and follow the Garasgoulas down the tram tracks along Swanston (Note, Swanston Street is for trams only). Amazingly, shockingly, these unmarked cars make no attempt to encircle the Holden and cut it off.

Who is the blue man?

This is extraordinary. This blue “conductor” reminds me of the Craft security guy at the Boston Marathon bombing — and the miraculous disappearance of his large black backpack.

And photographer Tony Gough, of News Corp Australia, happened to be at the intersection too.

Below I have uploaded a compilation of views from sowhat?3 and smoke’n mirrors.

 

272 COMMENTS

    • It seems likely to me that CN would be willing to be used in a story. I feel she allowed herself to become the focus of the Bushfire story, based on her going to the hairdresser’s during the fire. She was not the Fire Commissioner, so who cares if she went to the hairdresser. But it made a good distraction.

      The final Bushfire-inquest edition of The Australian featured the CN hairdresser story on its front page, the general theme being police incompetence.

      But as we “learned” from the Sydney siege, the job of police commissioner in NSW (Andrew Scipione and his 2IC Cath Burn) has nothing to do with “operations” anyway.

      So what does it have to do with? Piano-playing? Oh, maybe it has to do with giving press conferences to say “All is well, we have got the suspect, the brave cops have had a hard day, the community is rallying together, some imporatnt lessons have been learned, conspiracy theorists are pathetic, etc.”

      (The 9-11 Commission Report settled on FBI incompetence and lack of a good communications structure for Intel as main reason why the terrorists were not caught in time. S’truth.)

      • OT- have found an interview with the Italian tourist Stefan in yt, who states he was shouting Allans Snackbar while playing loud Arabic music. Can’t c+p on my phone but his channel is V Jack News or something. I also found the drivers yt channel and it’s just random garbage. I’m still looking through stuff. Bizarre…

          • David, I went to that link and listened for about 5 mins. Since i have not seen the earlier bit I don’t know what he means but at 2.32 the “witness’ says, it was odd how the offender-to-be waited a few seconds for the police cars to pull up.

            Aren’t you sick of this? I am sick of it. And Italy had a bus crash today too.

  1. So Gargasoulas would have been instructed by undercover agents that a man with a blue jumper will be at Flinders Street Station to drive in circles and will be orchestrated by the man in blue who will signal as to when he no longer drives in circles and will then be directed as to where he is to drive? although we now look for deviant possibilities as mind control and other controlling aspects? in this situation is the man in blue just another freak who is just another weird onlooker?
    We note Gargasoulas was under police surveillance as many other individuals are before they are in a major orchestration of terrorist performance such as the Lindt cafe terrorist activity, which would be reasonable to conclude and indicate the police are culpable insofar as being all part of a deviant and organized covert operation of being responsible for terrorism.

    • Donredford. You’re right. There is the faint possibility that this blue man is a freak — giving the Gargasoulas instructions…. (like the freak that rushes out with a baton — wow that was a crazy display) — but blue man is standing in front of one of the unmarked cars. This really does look like a show at this point.

      • Dee, I don’t think the black batman was a crazy scene. i think NOT acting like the black batman is crazy.

        But I wouldn’t rule out that he is a plant, to “add verisimiltude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”

    • Statement from Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull:

      “We have the best police and security services in the world and the most important task of every government at every level is to keep the people safe”
      “Our police officers seen here today work night and day to keep us safe. They stand in the frontline taking on threats and horrors many of us find almost unimaginable”
      “They deserve our strong support and solidarity at all times. The men and women who are in the frontline keeping us safe, whether it’s in the ADF, whether it’s in the … state or federal police forces, security services, intelligence services, they will always have my absolute unequivocal total support”
      “The loss of fellow Australians in such a shocking, wanton, criminal attack is a tragedy,” he said.

      “We’re with you, we mourn with you, we stand with you, we love you,” Mr Turnbull said.

      • Mr Turnbull I appreciate that you will mourn for those lives lost today. What about the lives lost at Port Arthur in 1996. Are you willing to have an inquest to prove that politicians and Intelligence Officers DID NOT plan and organise those murders
        and that Martin Bryant killed no one that day. These very same police officers from the Australian Federal Police, that you give support to, refused point blank to me, to do any investigation of that incident. They also refused to investigate the lies told by Damien Bugg in his court summation.

  2. Well, you have your conspiracy for today, but I see a reference to Dr Day is still missing.
    So I’ll do the job:

    remember what the good Dr Day said about the need to make people never feel too safe?
    Apparently random incidents like the one at hand here may serve just that purpose (they may serve it even better than incidents that fit into a narrative. What arouses anxiety better then the unpredictable and unexplainable?

    • I agree, Unattentive. For years now the headline page of Yahoo has always had some gems (probably not true) that tell us the unexplainable is always happening. They are typically like this:

      Man kills his sister in hayloft with pitchfork

      Beachcombers find two non-matching feet

      Bank sues nurse’s aide for $50,000 for not signing cheque.

      Large tadpole gets woman pregnant in Tasmnania.

      (I’m not even exaggerating.)

  3. Well, the police better get hold of the man in blue quick, he has some questions to answer for the Coroner.
    What odds he is soon dead/ never found?
    The drivers and crew of the three silver commodores and the following white vehicle better get their stories to correlate for the Coroner as well.
    Deceased family’s lawyers have plenty of subpoenas to issue I suspect.

  4. Good morning, Donwreford. You didn’t think I was going to let you get away with this did you? You said (in a comment to Dee’s article “It’s Melbourne’s Turn”):

    “We are left to the maxim let violence continue unabated for eternity and although the masses are the ones to pay in blood and finance for the One per cent who now truly own our body and mind.”

    I say don’t let the violence of Bourke St go unanswered.
    Arrest the three stooges (the name I have given to the three identical silvery cars).

    P.S. Maybe Peppy could lend a hand. We need all the help we can get.

    • I am not stating the offenders go without being brought to justice,what I mean is the implication of western democracy has been based upon wealth as a result of terrorism and today are considered criminal acts, the fact that so few spoke out against say imperialist expansion and violence throughout the centuries is most had no platform to speak out about injustice, as a result today we are at risk from terrorism because we define those who are all part of being victimized are now taking revenge upon the Western Allies, your problem Mary is you are all part of the problem in failure to speak out against unbridled injustice as you having fear of consequences for your position of power, misrepresenting the meaning of what I am saying.

      • “As a result today we are at risk from terrorism because we define those who are all part of being victimized are now taking revenge upon the Western Allies.”

        I don’t get that bit — who is the “we”? :

        Otherwise I agree, Don.

        • We are those who join in the chorus singing why are we under threat enjoying ourselves at night clubs at consumption, enjoying the leisurely activity of a free society whereby four of us/we re Bourke St, become murdered as so called innocents becomes a atrocity against all decency of what “we” stand for? freedom? and we see our nice guys the Americans enter Afghanistan as a lesson to pay for twenty or thirty plane riders in jets heading to and considered likely Afghani types who we deem as behind the Twin Towers destruction? for the sake of simplifying the equation forgetting as a inside job, will invade Afghanistan to pay? and drive them out of their caves? is it possible those living in cave are a threat to our civilization? thousands of Afghani’s are to pay for this crime. meanwhile back at the camp “we” sip our cup of cappuccino checking out our rating on crosswords, a mere mention of ten thousand Afghani die today, is it any surprise that it may no longer be a safe haven the streets of Melbourne? from the uncivilized?

  5. For the; trusting, dumbed down, sheeple and peasants look up what they have been doing to you for decades at wikispooks.com under operation Gladio in Europe and other western countries. (Or do general searches)
    Note the policy section: on the ‘strategy of tension’.
    All endorsed and covered up by the fake msm and shock joke aiders and abettors of all the killing.
    Note also how they include killing children as part of the fear creation program and their ‘strategy of tension policy’ ……… gets the grieving parents into a servile state of mind together with public empathy……… so many flowers from strangers left at tragedy sights!

  6. Sorry. I had not watched it all the way through. At 2.58 the “Instructor” (blueman) is not only helping the madman, he has crossed over to the island (tram stop) to be closer to the madman.

    Will they say yes, he’s a Good Samartain, trying to make the madman stop donutting? Then what of the “steering wheel” gesture?

    • Hot only was blue man giving instructions to Jimmy, ( do another circle —- now go up Swanston Street—- he was holding back the Police/Special Branch cars briefly by holding his hands down, see for yourself.
      Surely there must be a regular member in the force who could leak his identity.

      • Dee will dock my pay for this (O would there were some pay to dock!) but I wanna thank Jon Faine for saying on radio this morn that it is a bit strange that the cops had been folowing madman Jimmy from early hours (“including when he nearly hit some pedestrians”) and stayed thier hand with 100% discipline. Hmm.

        • if the melbourne events were the result of drug induced/enhanced psychosis, or a homicidal misfit, or a nefarious orchestrated false flag, it will have the same result any which way..

          if “they” had nothing to do with this, they can only be celebrating.

          so far, on order to keep us safe from cars, it looks like there wont be volunteers deciding who gets bail in victoria any more..

          phew! out footpaths are now safe.

    • Also the last last thing the man in blue does is point with his left arm giving direction to the drives ..and the driver did indeed go in that direction.

      • Aron, there is something a bit amiss about the whole story of Blueman giving directions. Namely, if madman Jimmy is on drugs he probably couldn’t take even the simplest instructions.

        I am not saying he is on drugs. How would I know? But that is the theme being circulated.

  7. Who are the state and federal ministers that we pay to keep us safe?
    Who are our government ministers in charge of historicaly exposed false flag chirades?
    Why do they not alert the public to be on notice to detect murdering uncivilised low lifes continuing with their murderous control freak globakist agendas.
    They are so low, it would not surprise if they cast a baby from a pram into a bonfire just to enhance their control. A sacrifice to their banker gods to terrify the peasants.
    Time for government ministers to drag in a few uncivilised control freaks and obtain explanations.
    Start with the known historical government, ‘operation Gladio’ and how we are paying for the continiung concocted program to ‘ keep us safe” and servile.
    Oh shit, they signed the official secrets act! Poor neutured ‘has beens’ (Sp? Castrated?) CANNOT COMMENT.
    Time to dump the official secrets act and similar legislation condoned by our paid for parliamentary servile dumb downed hypocrites.
    Silly ministers, go home, be distracted and find a wedding or polo match to attend at taxpayer’s expense.
    Better still, go fishing in Broome or find an investment, by chance, on the GOLD coast and bill us for the travel expenses with mate included.
    Time to pull the plug, drain the swamp.

    • Anyone who feels bound under the Official Secrets Act to cover-up a crime of government is of course relieved of that obligation as there can never be a law that says crime is acceptable.

      Sorry but that’s the way it is, guys.

      • Sorry Mary,
        whilst I have not researced fully, from recollection, anyone who reports on criminal or any other activity of our paid for agencies is subjsct to severe restrictions and penalties, especially applicable to the media.
        Our misinformed parliamentary patsies went along and passed the legislation.
        I recall that ex justice, Duggan (SA Supreme Court) and another have been reported as being on some ‘kangaroo court’ to deliberate on such matters…… i.e. to control the msm for the government?
        Strange that the msm have not followed up…. to my knowledge.
        So one may wonder why we have a so-called freedom of the press……? Fakes!

        • To add Mary,
          “So there can never be a law that says a crime is acceptable’!
          Sorry to be a rain on your ‘charade’, our paid for federal parliament passed such a law.
          Not available at this time to detail, but our politicians passed a
          law to criminalise anyone exposing our ‘operatives’ in criminal or other activity. i.e accepting ‘crime’ by those authorised to conduct; e.g. murder at will.
          Thus one may surmise that some of our federal politicians are complicit, even not guilty, of any crimes undertaken by our persons employed to ‘ protect us’.
          Alternatively, John Winston Howard is not guilty of killing Iraqis based on lies supported by the msm, he is just ’embarrassed! No apologies to the killed or their families has been noted.
          Silly pollies, they know what they do…… so for dimwits.
          Perhaps they should look up Dr. Day, exposing their controllers and they, being the simple distracted muppets in the broad planned scheme.

          • Ned, When I say “there can never be such a law” I mean of course that any such “law” is automatically invalid.

            Think about it. It would contradict the valid law of misprision, wouldn’t it?

            And we can’t have laws that conrtradict each other.

        • I’ll just quote a small section from the Commonwealth Consolidated Acts. This may surprise you:

          Sec 79 f the Crimes Act 1914
          (5) If a person receives any sketch, plan, photograph, model, cipher, note, document, article or information, knowing or having reasonable ground to believe, at the time when he or she receives it, that it is communicated to him or her in contravention of section 91.1 of the Criminal Code or subsection (2) of this section, he or she commits an indictable offence unless he or she proves that the communication was contrary to his or her desire.
          Penalty: Imprisonment for 7 years.

          So if ithat law was extant in the US (which it is not, of course) and somebody got a notifcation from Secy of State Killery that she was not supposed to give out, he/she would end up in the klink. But of course we are in Oz.

          • Mary, we must have crossed poor uninformed Krauss at the same time as my comment below demonstrates.
            It is usefull to dismiss ignorance on this site, then they can go away.
            Compliments to you for being more diplomatic to idiots. As you know, I have little time for the uninformed and ignorant.

        • Being tecnical and applying semantics for what purpose, Klaus?
          Look up section 79 of the commonweath crimes act.
          There are other provisions in commonwealth acts…… look them up before proffering rubbish.

          • In the case of Sykes v DPP (1963), The appellant was charged with misprision of felony and was convicted. The House of Lords unanimously decided that the crime of misprision still exists.

          • Technical?
            Semantics?
            No, factual.
            Australia does not have an ” Official Secrets Act”.
            Any one who says there is does not know what they are talking about.
            That is the simple truth of the matter and has made you look ignorant
            If that upsets you, that’s entirely your prerogative.

    • Is it just a coincidence that they have anti working class legislation prepared to tighten up bail laws?
      Is it just a coincidence that the world is watching Melbourne tennis?
      Is it just a coincidence that MSM is not asking obvious questions like: why did they not stop this character at any time during the low speed pursuit?
      As with Monis, why did he get bail?
      I think the answer is becoming obvious.

  8. “Blue Man” is a well known homeless dude from the homeless camp nearby, he’s been there for years.
    You can go look for yourself, he’s always there.

    • Klauss.
      Great information and thank you for your input.
      We are all interested In the identity of the blue man and want the authorities to question him as to his purpose and action as seen in the videos.
      We await a copy of your knowledge reported to the police so that it may be referred
      to the Coroner.
      We trust that the authorities may track down your identity so as to correlate
      Your existence and knowledge to substantiate your assistance.
      Marvellious. Keep in touch.

      • It’s unreal how all the pompous blowhards and armchair experts on this page try and come across as if they’ve got some sort of moral high ground.
        The simplest way to sort this out is for them to go 50 meters or so from Flinders Street and look for the homeless dude in the blue themselves.
        The blue dudes always there and has been for years.

          • If you down enough plonk for long enough you mess up your hormonal balance (for males) and tend to grow boobs of a sort. Not fullsome gazongas mind, more like tired kittens.

    • Freddy, that’s a gorgeous link. I’ll quote from Daniel Ganser:

      I looked further into the details and discovered that the Italian Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, had confirmed the existence of a secret army in Italy. And it was very funny, because the French President at the time, FranÇois Mitterand, said: “No, we didn’t have a secret army.” Then Andreotti said: “Oh yes, very much so, there was a meeting in 1990 and the French were part of it.”

  9. Even if we ignore the actions of the blue man and Gargasoulis — I think the way the unmarked cars drive out and “follow” the Holden down seems most strange.
    I used to live in the US in the 90s and we were subjected to countless chases as “breaking news” broke into TV programming. Many of these were successfully stopped by two cars cornering and ramming into the perpetrator. I know we are not California — but maybe a master class is required. The LA cops had a lot of practice. They also had no regard for damaging their own cars. And i suppose those nice new silver cars — if dented — would have resulted in a lot of paperwork.

  10. Isn’t more likely that this “blue man” was just egging the guy on ? After all traffic related po baiting stunts aren’t exactly uncommon. What disturbs me is that doing donuts has been put in the same basket as deliberately running people over. Once more I ask where’s the actual footage?

  11. To those coming to this site for the first time — we are looking into many “incidents”. With Mary Maxwell attending various Inquests and following the process of law, we have learned much.
    We have covered the Sydney Siege, the Boston marathon and events like 9-11. Plus the Port Arthur massacre. We have discovered so many lies from the mainstream media — and this forces us to question everything (about many staged events). We are interested in factual information — and we need to ask all the questions.
    For example — the number one rule in a hostage crisis is negotiate with the hostage taker. Yet during the siege — for 17 hours — they never spoke to Monis.

  12. Don’t people have better things to do with their time than make up pathetic conspiracy theories? Leave the investigation to the professionals and stop stirring bullshit.

    • Ainsley,
      The problem is that the “professionals” deliberately manipulated the evidence (by suppressing the facts) in the Boston Bombing case, Port Arthur, 9-11 — and on and on. Even though now it is a fact that US Liberty was a deliberate attack — the professionals and the media do not venture there. It is now agreed upon by the “professionals” that JFK was not shot by Oswald… but these facts still don’t make light of day.
      It has turned out that leaving the investigation of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq was left to the “professionals”. this led to a war in Iraq and the deaths of over a million people.
      Let me make it clear — those small elite running the show do not have your/our interests at heart.
      We have to be diligent in questioning everything. Had we questioned WMD then — and insisted on the truth, then Iraq would be intact — so would Libya and Syria. The lies and deceit in geopolitical wars are beyond staggering.
      We have many barristers and other legal minds contributing to this site and they support the view that we need to hold governments to a high standard.

  13. There are 2 Police stations one on Flinders St and one on Little Flinders. Both within less than 100M from the Clocks. Cops always there picking on jaywalking. So why was this guy not stopped ?

    • Totally agree. You will get your head stomped by ticket inspectors if you dont have a myki yet we let this scumbag drive into people.

    • My understanding is that it is closed to “general” (car) traffic. Or am I obeying an old ruling when arriving down St Kilda Road? I never see the traffic going down there. Lots of bicycles.

  14. The guy in the blue jacket is one of the homeless nutbgas that’s taken up permanent residence along the foot path on flinders st.
    I have seen him countless times in the same outfit and he is almost always either arguing with police, behaving irraticly or telling a story to his pals which requires him to flale his arms around like wet noodles for dramatic effect.
    He’s a trouble maker and would most defiantly have been egging the sick basterd on and I guarantee he would have been signaling for him to take Swanson st. I don’t know how many people you encounter like this daily but I deal with them every hour or so because of my job. These people have no respect for authority, community or anyone to be frank. I’d almost say with complete positivity that when they (the flinders st warts) found out he has mounted the footpath and killed innocent people. They would have laughed. These people are socially retarded with no respect or thought process they just take up space and harass people who walk near them.

    I say that in the way in which a few of them are quite lovely but the majority including the dickhead in the blue and his mates are just parasites. Refusing help from group homes and charity’s then causing enough chaos to attract a news crew so they can tell the world how no ones tried to help them that’s why they’re there.
    Just absolute scrubbers

    • And he just so happend to point in the direction the car headed … .. you talk crap ..you have not seen that man in blue before

          • Yeah, very interesting.. !! there must be another forum somewhere where someone posted a link to this article, and theyre all coming here just to fling a few insults and nick off again. none of them have the courage of their convictions to stay around and argue their point ( not the one on the top of their head ) – they just want to shout something in all caps and nick off. all of this on an article that simply asks, “who is the guy in blue?” crikey!

          • The presence of waves of new posters all holding the same songsheet is fairly telling. This site has attracted attention from the Shill sector before.

  15. It would be good to investigate the cctv footage of the vehicle driving on the pavement. People running inside the store. Check the time to cross reference to the alleged time vehicle was doing dounuts. Also, take note of the geo location of the said cctv footage when the people ran back into the store. According to the police map the vehicle was travelling. The police were wearing red bands. Seemed intersting police were attending the injured. The car had major bumps on the bonnet and roof. I cannot imagine this to be consistent in a situation where a
    Vehicle strikes pedestrians. Also witnesses had stated they were to clear Burke street. I would like to confirm if the train station was out of bounds to the public. News of a baby been dragged 100 metres and yet survived for a few days then pronounced dead. Im not sure if any names have been released, or that if the baby. I find it highly unlikely a baby can survive been dragged 20metres let alone 100 metres. Also what are the chances of a baby be dragged at all in the first place. I would suggest, the speed the vehicle was traveling was reasonably slow. The same speed as seen when people were running into store. The other oddity is the clarity of the witness mobile phone filming. All of a sudden the people filming don’t give the viewer to focus on anything. The camera is moving quickly from side to side and very briefly filming the injured. Even when you pause, you cannot focus or really see the injuries on the victims. The camera also films a lot of the ground. When you look closely, you can’t see blood on the paths. Ok one video, I had seen a spot of blood and further down were the injured about metres from the blood. Although you could not see drag marks between the spot of blood. It could be blood but also could resemble blood. That particular video filmed the baby. Why it was some
    Distance from the others doesn’t seem to make any sense. You will note when you pause
    You can hardly see the baby at all.

    • Ronald, first of all thank you. Would you write an article for Gumshoe? It took me 3 years to come around to the idea that Boston bombing was faked and even now I don’t claim that no one ended up in hospital. My only True Fake is Jeff Bauman.

      Would Aussie police cook something up? Yes. Gumshoe proved it in relation to the Bella Vista incident (anti-Muslim thing). Dee works a day job so she can’t attend to your hints until tonight. Or please come back with another comment telling the alleged timings of the store CCTV, and the stated times of the run-overs.

      Just think how we are all so dependent on evaluating each other’s credibility. Wow, what a world. As for the baby, I heard that it was in a capsule within the pram and it was the capsule that got thrown out. So no “road rash” needed. Read my Marathon Bombing book, free download on this website, to see how doctors lied about Tamerlan’s road rash.

      We have had thousand of hits today, from Australian addresses, so at least folks care. I make this appeal to cops: how can you stand to have the public belittling you? If you know of “fake cops” appearing at these scenes, pray tell. They are putting you out of a job.

      I saw an incident in Adelaide about 4 months ago that was faked. The criminal was an actor. How disgusting.

    • Rebecca, I say he was likely a cop just like you.
      Plainly, the police had many opportunities to stop him between the Bolte Bridge and the stage at Flinders Street.

    • There’s is other CCTV footage showing the car driving very fast. The car reminded me of when in the movies someone falls into a car from a height and the car crumples. I believe hitting the people at speed would have caused the bumps.

  16. Maybe he’s just one of the many, ‘nutters’ who were cheering this bloke on from the sidelines – Wonder how they feel now knowing what this bloke did.

    • I think the man in red is “Ian” the brother of the lady who made a good video of donutting. In this whole story she is one I absolutely believe thanks to the tone of her voice when instructing Bro to get back in the car. If she was able to fake that she needs 3 Oscars.

      • I am not so sure….I think the couple you are referring to, were in a black 4wd and he got out of the passenger side and stood near the front of the car….all the while the woman is going bezerk…almost seemed a bit overdone and hammy to me, but I guess some people are prone to melodramatics. So maybe deserving of 3 Oscars…

  17. socially retarded trouble makers, halfwits, nuff nuffs, nutbags, parasitic dickheads, warts & scrubbers..

    they dont respect anyone.

  18. […] VERY interesting indeed – someone’s very observant – “Outside Flinders Street Station, a man in a blue top waves instructions to the driver that killed several pedestrians along Burke Street Mall” … “I analysed this in slow motion and this man — the “blue man” — seems to be signalling to Garasgoulas while he is doing doughnuts.“ https://gumshoenews.com/2017/01/22/…ions-to-gargasoulas-before-the-killing-spree/ […]

  19. Talk about reaching! The guy in blue is clearly just a fuckwit watching an even bigger fuckwit drive around in cirlces holding up traffic and basically being a complete fuckwit. Half these so called “signalled gestures” you speak of happen when hes driven past him, meaning he would need to be looking behind him whilst also dodging baseball bats and unfortunately not – cops trying to stop him.

    Keep your conspiracy theories and dreams of making s name for yourself of the back of one of Melbourne’s darkest days to yourself.

    You have just elevated yourself onto blue jumper guys level of fuckwit-ism.

    Well done 👏🏼

    • Maybe Micky. I agree with your determination of Gargasoulis. But maybe if we had been more questioning of authorities over the Weapons of Mass Destruction back in 2002 — (which turned out to be pure fabrication) over a million lives could be saved. And yes — this is a dark day, and one asks what could have been done to avoid this catastrophe.

      • I know I am going on a tangent here. But we need to be questioning everything.

        Maybe you should look up what the once Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO (1997 to 2000) said. He revealed / exposed ‘the plan’ to destroy 7 countries in 5 years.
        In 2007 the general provided us information of a memo at the Pentagon. This an extract of his interview with Democracy Now:

        GEN. WESLEY CLARK: So I came back to see him a few weeks later (2001), and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.”

        ** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

    • it was just a question micky, who is he?
      by the way, who the fuck are you? why does it bother you so much if people ask reasonable questions?

      do you have an answer as to how metal could remain molten underneath ground zero on 9/11? no you dont.. after a decade and a half, the people like you are incapable of answering.

      heres 50 cents, go rent a clue.

    • ” one of Melbourne’s darkest days ”
      reminds me of those that were asking questions re 9/11… people would say, dont you have any respect for the families of those who died, all the while ignorant of the fact that it was the families that were asking the questions..

      if i lost a loved on the other day, id want answers..

      melbourne has had a few dark days in its history.. hoddle street, queen street, monash university.. but really..

      our country was built on such things..

      • Ask Matt Campbell or Bobby McIlvaine about people who don’t want to question authority on 9-11. They had a brother and son (r) die in the towers. Bobby’s speech is without doubt the most moving speech I have every heard (about a father grief — and his fight to have truth heard).

    • There is another camera angle that shows the driver actually responding back to the blue jacket person. There was communication!

  20. That area in front of Flinders Street station is where the homeless people are camping, doing ice and shit. This nosey idiot just appears to be encouraging the driver to keep doing it and probably drive down further to show off to his/her other crack head mates (it actually looks like a woman to me). As with the cop car, it seems he/she was just asking the cops what was going on, but didn’t get a response.

  21. I have just run a video through. If the grey coloured vehicles were police cars they had plenty of time to surround the criminal’s car.

    One grey car moved out behind the red car which was stationery. There was room for the second car to move in front of the red car and block it in. However that second car just sat and waited.

    When the red car was allowed to drive off the other vehicles appeared to meekly follow as if the red car was untouchable. No police lights or sirens to warn the public ahead of danger were apparent. Just follow the leader which happened to be the criminal.

    • Ive been in situations, where ive been scared shitless, and i thought to myself, i should really do something here, and intervene.. and thats as far as thinking goes.. then i just do something, sometimes it helps, sometimes not. – the blokes with the bat at the intersection, that be me, the woman in the car screaming, that be the mrs..

      in hindsight, i think three cars there, they could circle him at the intersection, game over.. granted, thats hindsight

      the police boss says, they have to make split second decisions.. life and death.. which is perfectly reasonable and understandable, but hell, this is what they are paid and trained to do.. and what happened was like something a mob of amatuers would do.. only act after it was too late, and he had already done the damage.

      didnt he stop on the bridge, they knew he was on the bridge, im not the smartest cookie, but what about… block the bridge? wheres he gonna go?

      i think the weirdest part of all this.. in all the videos at the intersection, he was wearing his seatbelt.. was he being safety concious or he didnt want to get a fine? well, maybe thats not the weirdest thing..

      • Agree.
        The whole scenario is so strange. Apparently they had been trailing him for hours. Maybe they were caught up in their complacency and thought it was going to just continue — until he ran out of petrol.
        But the actions of the 3 cars — as you say — meekly curving around BEHIND him are bizarre — and then to pass the PRESS CONFERENCE that had been arranged at 1.15 on the portico of the town hall — overlooking Swanston. It was about the homeless situation.
        I refuse to speculate on that… but the donuts done in the same place that was to be the focus of the Flinders Street Station and Federation Square Christmas Day TERROR plot.
        We have to thanks Victoria Police for foiling that one.

        • Dee, you’re a local but I’m a yokel. I dont know anything about a Christmas Day terror plot. How did the PD foil it? But don’t take time to answer unless it’s relevant. I think maybe this whole gig is intended to waste our time and distract us.

      • Or maybe because he was in a moving vehicle the cops didn’t want to provoke him further. Maybe he was wearing a seatbelt because that’s what people do out of habit when they get in a car. Stop searching for something that isn’t there…

        • or maybe, you have just as much of an idea about what he was thinking or what the cops were thinking as I do. stop providing answers, and by that i mean your unqualified opinion, to questions I didnt ask you.

          what am i searching for that isnt there Adam? i merely mentioned i might have taken some sort of opportunity to stop him before then, if i was one who was chasing him for hours, and that I thought it weird he was wearing a seatbelt, especially when hes trying to lean out the window to yell at people, it must have been holding him back, if it was me, id have taken it off and risked the fine.. but well, thats just me I guess.

      • So true.

        But take Monis holding 18 people hostage for 17 hours.
        The first rule in a hostage crisis is try negotiate with the hostage taker. In most cases negotiators would attempt to talk to the perpetrator asap. After a few hours they knew Monis was the mad hatter that chained himself to the steps of the court house. His past lawyer offered to negotiate. Refusal. The police told us they had it under control — and were negotiating to save the hostages. As the inquest proved —- It was all a LIE. They made NO attempt to negotiate to assist the hostages.
        How extraordinary. Astonishing,.
        It was not “hindsight” or incompetence. For me I come to the most logical conclusion.
        https://gumshoenews.com/2016/12/05/front-row-seats-available-welcome-to-the-lindt-cafe-theatre/

  22. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but I was on the corner under the clocks when he started hooning about.
    That was a homeless chick who was gyrating whilst doing circles with her arm shouting “go ’round” in an occa accent…bit like Dave Hughes.
    She was arrested by foot police shortly after he went down Swanston Street.

  23. There is also a guy in a red shirt who makes his way to the centre traffic island. A blonde woman is then seen approaching from the station side of the road. As the footage progresses, the pair then seem to start pushing and shoving each other. Did anybody else notice this?

    • Many people have commented that a homeless man is the alleged man in blue waving at the Holden.
      However, the action of the potentially four unmarked (cop) cars seem very odd as the entourage all file into Swanston.
      Can someone who was there please give an account of how the donut thing started? What was he shouting?
      When did the helicopters arrive?
      How long was he doing donuts before the two men rushed out to “beat” his car?
      (The videos only start about 20 seconds before this)
      Also did someone see the “hostage” get out of the car on the Bolte Bridge — or witness other events beforehand?

      • Apparently according to male witness (back pack and accent) who gave a clear account on the news that the “terrorist” was shouting ‘god is great’ or what ever it is in that foreign way, quite often before they kill. This account, I’m guessing he was a tourist, was quickly taken down.
        Appears the crazy became a Muslim or such not long before he killed.

        • if you were an islamic fundamentalist, that took things to extremes such as killing people because they were unbelievers, you wouldnt do drugs, and you wouldnt visit bars, and you wouldnt mow people down randomly as you wouldnt know how many other muslims would be killed, im sure allah would frown on that. even those who join ISIS arent as religious as they are stupid

          from what i saw in his incoherent facebook ramblings, he also said he had been shown revelations by god, and in the same breath, said he was god. allah wouldnt like that either.

          im not saying youre doing this, but a lot of people are desperate to label him islamic, for reasons of their own, based on those rants he made, and the account of a single tourist, who seems to be the only one to be close enough to hear him yelling.

          • My friend “Heidi” has given me the Heidi theory of the Melbourne rampage. She says “Darius” works for MI6 and was asked to produce the “plunge series.” This includes trucks plunging in to pedestrians at Berlin and Nice, and a car doing the same in Melbourne.

            Darius had to sit at his desk for several hours before coming up with the idea of hiring an agent, “Tom,” to pose as a nutter and do some very eye-catching donuts. This provides a logo for the incident (like the “black flag” in Lindt café window). Darius also hired his agent “Bruce” to do the blue-man fandangle in order to get everyone betting on ASIO involvement in the 3 stooge cars.

            Tom was said to have been shot at by police but was not, according to Heidi. It was just a noise device. Tom is under arrest but the “trial” – and I use the phrase in a cavalier manner – will not happen for ages.

            Your basic Gumshoe team has already analyzed two other cases, Port Arthur and Boston Marathon, for which you can download the books right here. Great poolside reading. And by January 26 the new book “Inquest: Siege in Sydney” will also be here for the taking.

            Advance, Australia fair. Advance Fair Dinkum too. Yay!

          • That’s well and good to label him as a nutter who just became Islamic and has no idea, but the basic fact is the Qur’an does say to do the horrible thing he has done, kill people and strike fear into the unbelievers.

          • afraid to say Fair Dinkum, mate you are totally wrong with you sayng that you wouldnt do drugs, and you wouldnt visit bars if you are one of those filthy dogs islamic fundamentalist
            ,…trust me l have seen these filthy low life dogs taking drugs drinking an shit so therefore you need to get some of your info right on these , you don’t want to know how l know a lot about these dogs because l will correct you left right an centre unless you are a lover of that filth or are one… the things lve seen them do heard an stuff woul make your balls freeze upinside of you n fall off…..lve seen muslim scum fundamentalist Islamic filth in bars drinking an cursing ppl cause of the way they are etc etc… FUCKING MUPPE NEEDS TO BE PUT TO DEATH

          • gday ex army.. no need to be afraid mate.. totally wrong? me? I doubt that.. i thought i was totally wrong once, but i was mistaken…

            would you call a catholic, or a lutheran priest, that molests children, a christian? or even religious? i wouldnt. what if they steal, or covet their neighbours wife.. or breaks any of the other commandments, not very religious. they might say they are. but they aint. what they are, is hypocrites.

            same with the people youve seen drinking in bars, they might say they are muslim, but fact is if they are doing that, then they aint. ive seen a lot of people in bars too, exactly the same as you describe, though they dont proclaim to follow islam..

            just wondering, do you think all fundamental religious people are scum, or just muslim fundamentalists?

            cheers.

        • “Apparently one man heard someone say something that no one else dead that can’t be confirmed” stop feeding the hate and division

          • ““Apparently one man heard someone say something that no one else dead that can’t be confirmed”

            it could be confirmed if someone else pops up and says i heard it too.. with all those people there, and all those cameras filming, youd think there would be more evidence than a single tourist..

            who am i being hateful towards and how am i being divisive?

        • Deb said” ..Apparently according to male witness (back pack and accent) who gave a clear account on the news that the “terrorist” was shouting ‘god is great’ or what ever it is in that foreign way, quite often before they kill”.

          It was a clear account but was it believable, or was the witness a shill?

          • theres a fella on youtube that actually did a phone interview with him, sorry i dont have the link, well at least he said it was him.. but you get these people that as soon as theres a possibility a muslim is involved in something bad, they use that to denigrate all muslims.

            in my opinion, this is a good example of a fake witness as for our tourist, without any other evidence to corroborate his story, seems no one else heard it, theres no video or other audio, despite the numbers of people there.. id like to know if he has a facebook page and how many times he has said things that would indicate his feelings about muslims..

            theres been a great effort since 9/11 to make muslims out to be bad.. all based on lies that can not withstand the slightest scrutiny.

            for sure theres bad muslims, theres bad everythings.

    • Dee, see above at 3.20 for my comment above on the other man in blue who appears to be disorientated and ‘smells’ of being homeless.
      Commentators have referred to a known ‘local’ homeless person and it is possible that he is being confused with our real man in blue.
      Further; if the real blue man was signalling to authorities, it was OK from outside the station, he was in sight of the silver commodores. But as the parade moved out the tram blocked the line of sight for police vehicles on the arriving on the other side of the street so he moved to a position in the middle to continue his directions.
      Thus there is a real possibility that he indeed was a signalman.
      If there is anything to this, expect the msm to interview someone to be a homelss dupe to provide a contrary version. Like the wtc ‘pancake man’ on 911, explaining and providing for a false paradigm to cover for the man in blue.
      911 has taught us a lot to look for.

  24. actually, watch this at 1.30, we see the same blue man but from another angle and it’s interesting because he’s got more the attitude of a drunk guy or someone with some mental disability. His gestures are very uncoordinated. I’m watching more footage from other sources/angles but it seems he was just a mentally unstable pedestrian who wanted to participate to the action.

    • Sorry, not my reading of the video as you seem to do.
      You say it was the SAME blue man at the 1.30 mark. NO WAY.
      At the one second mark there is a man in blue (not as blue as the ‘blue man’ and has a hat) and he is certainly acting in adisorientated manner
      The other ‘blue man is not seen from my observation until the 1.25 mark (so viewers should be observing the video from way before the 1.30 mark…try the start.) and following the silver cars as they trun into Swantson street. By that time the real blue man has moved to the middle of the road and still directing? (following police cars?).
      The first man in blue walked off the scene across the street to the right at about the 50 second mark.
      Not the same man, please examine carefully and reconsider.

      • I take it that in explanation you may explain that the ‘same blue man’ is the person in other videos alongside the station.
        If so, I am not in anyway convinced that that blue man at any time appears to be disorientated rather than acting with deliberate purpose and continuing to the middle of the street to be within site of vehicles travelling on the correct side of the road to then be directed to turn into Swantson street after the first fleet of silver vehicles.

    • Notice also that the red car seems to be turning in unison with the silver car’s toward Swantson street as the ‘real blue man’ is, is till gesturing in that direction, but from the middle of the road.
      Another thing; why are some silver vehicle/s going the right way but the silver car closest to Flinders street station has arrived going the wrong way. See Dee’s photo 24/1 at 12.03 below.
      Maybe I am confused, last time I was at that station was in 1960.

  25. This theory is absurd. Let me guess, it’s also ISIS that took part. Maybe it just a cop gesturing him to get out of the intersection. Hurp de derp…

  26. I have it on good authority that the man in blue was actually the mastermind behind all of this. He is a crusading Christian priest from a secret sect of the church that aims to make Christianity the leading religion in the world. After this they then place tips to media that this was from Islam. This then creates negativity towards the religion and boosts Christian followers. Keep an eye out, it happens everywhere!

  27. This article has sparked a lot of interest. The question was “who is the blue man?” The other question was regarding the 3 or 4 cars that waited then “followed” the Holden into Swanston. These are questions the coroner has to deal with. But it is clear — the donut display was totally bizarre – and strange theater before the terrible action by Gargasoulis — A copy of two other events in Nice and Berlin.

  28. I warned politicians several time specifically about Bourke Street mall and on 15 July 2016 published a PRESS RELEASE.
    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull then on 22 July 2016 announced special bollards to be placed, but both he and Premier Daniel Andrews simply did nothing about it.
    Do they have blood on their hands?
    .
    Does Malcolm Turnbull and Premier Andrews have blood on their hands Re Bourke Street carnage?

    The documents can be downloaded from (as to verify the original content of what is stated below if you desire to do so):
    https://www.scribd.com/document/337078013/20170120-Press-Release-Mr-G-H-Schorel-Hlavka-O-W-b-Issue-Re-the-Failure-in-National-Security-3-Avoidable-Deaths-Etc-the-Constitution

    Are they perhaps deliberately leaving the community at risk hoping killings will occur and then use this to excuse further legislation to rob citizens of their constitutional and other legal rights? Read the writings and you be the judge.

    Cowards hiding behind security while leaving the public at risk for their warmongering.

    The documents can be downloaded from:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/318379891/20160715-Press-Release-Mr-g-h-Schorel-hlavka-o-w-b-Issue-Re-the-Failure-in-National-Security-Etc-the-Constitution
    QUOTE
    ISSUE: 20160715 – Re THE FAILURE IN NATIONAL SECURITY, etc & the constitution

    As a CONSTITUTIONALIST my concern is the true meaning and application of the constitution.
    Seeing the pictures beamed from Nice, France about the carnage one obviously wonder how on earth could this have happened. Why were there no road blocks in place to prevent this? I understood some decades ago a person making known how easy it would be to drive a gas tanker into Bourke Street Mall, Melbourne, and blow it up, causing huge casualties. It was not a person who had any terrorist connections. What we have done is politicians like John Howard, Tony Abbott, Julie bishop Senator George Brandis, and heaps others including the then General Peter Cosgrove defying constitutional limitations/prohibitions as I view it, going out bigtime onto mass murder, crimes against humanity, terrorism, war crimes, etc in Iraq and well nothing was done to hold them legally accountable. Little wonder that there are elements who then hold it they will pursue their reign of terror in response. Politicians will tell people to go on normally, while they DON’T because they are hiding behind a curtain of security so that they are safe and let the innocent citizen suffer the horrors inflicted upon them. Politicians are the “cowards” who claimed to make the world a safer place” while in fact making it far worse.
    Nice clearly lacked proper security as to prevent a truck to enter where people had their festivities. Then one has to look upon any major city and wonder is the same possible in Australia, and regretfully this is possible. Take Bourke Street, Melbourne, where it is a pedestrian mall but the trams are going through it and so delivery vans/trucks. Instead of warmongering politicians hiding behind a security curtain the monies of this security curtain would be better spend such as road buffers to be fitted into the ground. For example to prevent a truck to enter a mall using the tram tracks a heavy duty buffer is coming up after a tram has passed through preventing any vehicle to enter using the tram tack. This steel buffer can be raised and lowered into the ground as to allow safe passage for trams and emergency vehicles but not for other vehicles unless someone with security clearance were to manually let the buffer to sink into the ground for any delivery vehicle to enter. It means that in times of public celebrations those buffers can be raised above ground and so become a security for those celeb rating in the area. Such kind of devices could be fitted on any road where at times it requires to be closed of regarding sporting events, parades, etc. A proper system would facilitate such buffers to prevent motorist to use tram tracks while the tram can engage the buffer to be lowered when it comes nearby so the tram can pass through. This is the kind of security system that should exist at the very least. To expect a police officer facing a truck coming towards him to stop it is lunacy. There must be a system of buffer that can be sufficient to stop a heavy truck in its tracks and prevent what eventuated in Nice to eventuate in Australia. Instead of having bollard or other material transported to and from the area, by building buffers that can drop down into the ground when not needed or obstructing otherwise a tram from passing, this would be a far better manner. I understand that in some countries they use massive kind of buffers to redirect the sea flow to avoid flooding’s. The shape is like that of a sliced of an orange hinging at the thinner edge. Also, we had this media report that some person allegedly heavily involve in preaching jihad or at least promoting issue to it nevertheless continue to do so. I view that any person doing so should be deemed to place national security of citizens at risk and by this should be charged accordingly.
    END QUOTE

    • “Are they perhaps deliberately leaving the community at risk hoping killings will occur and then use this to excuse further legislation to rob citizens of their constitutional and other legal rights?”

      saves them a lot of time and effort that way.. maybe thats why they keep up the ridiculous charade re the lost “war on drugs” and continue to legislate instead of educate, and continue to defund important mental health services.. keep enough people drug addicted, continually in trouble with the cops, suffering mental health problems, unemployed, homeless..

      you could pretty much gaurantee some will go rouge every now and then.. and lash out at the society that doesnt care about them,

      while what you say about barriers, sounds quite reasonable to me as a solution, but it is a solution to a problem that shouldnt even exist. who wants to live in such a world where we have to be scared to walk down the street?

      do politicians have blood on their hands? i say yep. the lot of them.

        • No it is not working now with many, we have been awakened.
          Dr Day has greatly assisted in our understanding of their cynical and abominable use of killings to implement their corporate fascist agenda through concocted planned fear and manipulation of society with the support of their msm treasonous running dogs.
          Our poitlicians better wake up soon to the fact that sufficient numbers of the public are realising what side they are on……not ours.
          Empty the swamp.

    • Dear Mr Schorel-Hlavka, you are quoted on page 35 of our book “Port Arthur: Enough Is Enough.” You suggested I should attack the problem of Bryant’s guardianship, which I have since endeavored to do. (Unavailingly, needless to say.)

      I was surprised at your approach, reported today, about bollards. Dee says that such things are being set up around Parliament House Canberra. How awful. And they are planned for the Adelaide oval. How did we never need these things before?

      Probably a main aim of Tavistock (our mind controllers and culture controllers) is to make us dislike and distrust our neighbors. “Gee, you never know who’ll move into the apartment next to yours in Melbourne – some creep like Gargasoulas.” “If you see a suspicious parcel on the bus, report it” — somebody left their McDonald’s bag behind.

      But I was even more surprised that you (perhaps) think Jimmy was motivated by religion or by blowback. I doubt if oppressed people ever rise up and revolt, but surely if they do they collude with a coterie of friends first, and plan a good attack, a la Robert the Bruce in days of olde.

      Neither the shenanigans in Donutland nor the Bourke St rampage look like blowback to me. Recall that Martin Bryant’s killing 35 people (NOT) was attributed to a kind of blowback – vengeance for Sally Martin not selling his Dad a farm. How gullible we are.

      And din’t it tke some skill to do the donutting?

      Anyway it’s great to get your comments, one way or the other. Please see my new book “Inquest,” available tomorrow on this website. Monis must have been a patsy. All the talk of his religious motivation is ludicrous and insulting to the public.

      At the back of my inquest book is “the trial of Amirah Droudis”. Her religious motivation also a joke, IMHO.

  29. Are you for Real? Five people are dead, yet you seek to trivialize their deaths through pushing your conspiracy theorist agenda. YOU, LIKE ALL THOSE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS THAT CAME BEFORE YOU, ARE A BLOODY DISGRACE. WHY DON’T YOU STOP TRYING TO A NAME FOR YOURSELF BY CAPITALIZING ON OTHER PEOPLE’S MISERY, GET A LIFE.

    • 3000 people dead in New York 2001.
      The lying fake mainstream media COVERED UP the facts about THREE SKYSCRAPERS that came down. They covered Bld 7, the molten steel etc etc. They duped the public allowing an unquestioning public to believe in WMD in Iraq. ALL LIES Jeremy. Now proven and admitted. That resulted in over a million deaths. It is our job to QUESTION.
      Maybe ask Matt Campbell or Bobby McIlvaine about people who don’t want to question. They had a brother and son (r) die in the towers. Bobby’s speech is without doubt the most moving speech I have every heard (about a father grief — and his fight to have truth heard). Google him.
      And I haven’t even started———

      • Re: “capitalizing”—By the way Jeremy, this site has not earned a single dollar in four years (since inception) . Contributors do it because they feel a duty to do so. Why not post your comment on the Mainstream media sites that have allowed Syria, Libya and Iraq to be destroyed deliberately – admitted to and exposed by General Wesley Clark.A neocon plan.They (the MSM) are all capitalizing on every bit of hype (and lies) – earning billions of dollars. This is one article asking a question. As I said, I haven’t even started.
        And if you want a list of 48 conspiracy theories that are now admitted by governments, I’ll supply that too.

    • You sound like that abc chap, Jonathon Faine (350,000 of our money per year!) on or about 10th October 2010 castigating Kevin Bracken because Kevin had some questions exposing the scientific truth on why building number 7 collapsed and that Turnbull minister, Josh Frydenberg following up in the Australian Parliament question time asking Julia Gillard to have Kevin disciplined for asking such questions.
      Search; Anthony Lawson’s video criticque on the Faine-Bracken phone-in on or about 10.10.2010.
      Then search; ‘911 Julia Gillard stupid and wrong” and see how abominable, ignorant, unscientific and gutless our federal politicians are. It is all there in question time.
      Oh. Let us not for get radio 2UE in Sydney, via Steve Liebman insulting Kevin and calling him a goose etc. On or about 10. 10.2010.
      Hello 2UE, why have you pulled the record from yor site? Gutless msm?
      So Jeremy, have you done your research?

    • By the way dear Jeremy, why do you insult conspiracy theorists?
      Do you have any idea as to whom you are insulting?
      I suspect in your ignorance you would not have a clue.
      Leaving aside that the derogatory (alleged) term was applied by the CIA to vilify anyone who questioned that JFK was murdered by Oswald the lone shooter. Later found by a Congressinal committee to be BS…. there was another, at least sniper.
      Now for the grandmother of conspiracy theorists.
      Try Her Magesty Queen Elizabeth 11.
      YOU LOST yet.
      Well, if by chance you are called for jury service in a criminal court, say in NSW, you may have to consider a conspiracy theory.
      Every day in all commonwealth countries one of Her Majesty’s prosecutors opens an address to the jury summing up Her Majesty’s case against the alleged conspirator……. be it murder without a body, etc.
      So there you are Jeremy, sitting listening to Her Majesty’s address outlining the evidence to be brought in the case against the alleged murderers.
      Based on your comment, do you have the guts and belief to arise from your seat in the jury box and exclaim to the court and the crown prosecutor:
      ‘YOU LIKE ALL THOSE CONSPIRATORS THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ARE A BLOODY DISGRACE. WHY DON’T YOU STOP TRYING TO A NAME FOR YOUR SELF BY CAPITALIZING ON OTHER PERSONS MISERY. GET A LIFE.’
      Now look at the relatives of the deceased sobbing at the back of the court. They would look at you as a heartless bastard and wonder how the system provided for you to be even on the jury to look at the evidence to determine who the conspirators were who murderd their child whose body has not been found.
      Jeremy, you are out of your depth here. I suggest you obtain legal advice to proffer an opinion as to whom to sue that are responsible for raisin and educating you, in ignorance to make a public fool of yourself and disenfranchise you from ever having any role in the function of criminal justice.
      By all means, present my comments to the court if you wish to duck jury duty in this state.

  30. It looks like he’s telling that fucken idiot to move on down Swanson st then telling pedestrians to cross my guess is he’s a policeman or a traffic controller i mean not a great idea to send him up Swanson but at that moment he was a safety risk at that intersection noone could’ve known or even imagined what was about to happen .

    • May I suggest to all sleuths and commentators that we define who we are referring to when commentating.
      There may (is) be some confusion.
      The ‘blue’ man is the fellow depicted otside the station and seen in front of a silver commodore and then proceeds to the tram stop.
      There is another fellow with a blueish jacket (?) and hat/cap
      who is clearly presenting as ‘disorientated” and moves off to the the right of the station, but returns at a point of time when the ‘blue’ man is over at the tram stop.
      So we have a possible facilator and a separate nut case.
      May we identify which of the two fellows commentators are referring to when posting observations and antecdotes?
      Counsel for the families in the Coronial proceedings will have to separate the roles and identies referred to, to determine whom, if either, is significant.
      Observations and comments hereunder will be examined in due course, I would foreshadow for submissions to the Coroner.
      Even Jeremy’s cyncism may be relevant!!! Welcome to the real world Jeremy.

  31. There are 167 comments and observations below with concepts and pointing to reasonable inquiries to be undertaken.
    This time the sleuths are on the ball, simply because no one of reason trusts the government and official accounts, unless tested in the open.
    We have been wised up with knowledge of historic false flag events by the government nutters official unscientific 911 fairy tail that the politicians, msm and shock jokes tnrow down our throats.
    The msm still keeps us in the dark in regard to such events, even conceded by ex Australian Prime Minister Malcol Fraser. (See the interview by Dee with the ex PM logged on this site)
    If one researches Mike Rivero at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ on false flag murders then readers may see about 45 examples of false flag killings implemented by the fascist psychos to convince us to distrust and kill some group or country.
    Thus we should be ever viligent, government psychos lie and kill.
    Thus Melbourne shoul be completely exposed for examination.
    This time we trust that the lawyers for the families will be astute, read below and honour their clients with a genuine desire to expose the truth.

  32. Good one dickhead, the guy is a homeless man from the camp on Flinders street. I see him everyday, but maybe the homeless camp is set up by the government and they are all spies???? Have some respect for the dead you moron

    • Kindly attend a local police station and provide a statement to that affect and attend a line up to identify whom you refer to.
      By the way, chuck the homeless person you refer to, a fiver.
      Any cance you are able to identify ‘dickhead’?.

  33. Lets all wait and see now what the Police/politicians/military etc demand in terms of powers, funding, legislation to restrict/identify/spy etc, and we’ll know then what this was all about.

      • Paul, the news has been saying “This shows we need tighter laws re BAIL.” They said that about Monis also. It gave media a hook on which to discuss Monis’ supposed wife-murder (I mean as “accessory”).

        IMHO it helped driive home the notion that Monis was a killer, to assure us that he also set up the Sydney siege for killing purposes. Please see my recent article as to his partner’s murder trial. Constant allusion (illusion?) to the fact that she done it under his influence.

        I think I recall, in a Gumshoe article by either Cheryl Dean or Josee Lepine that Jahar’s Defense asked for more opportunity to discuss the guilt or motives of the deceased bro, Tamerlan — but were refused by Judge O’Toole..

        It could have caused someone to go off script…..

        Here is my Monis article: seee the final of the 8 complaints: “circular reasoning”:

        https://gumshoenews.com/2017/01/19/droudis-trial-part-8-my-eight-complaints/

      • Think about this, guys…. 1886, Sowy River, Banjo P

        But still so slight and weedy, one would doubt his power to stay,
        And the old man said, “That horse will never do
        For a long and tiring gallop – lad, you’d better stop away,
        Those hills are far too rough for such as you.”
        So he waited sad and wistful – only Clancy stood his friend –
        “I think we ought to let him come,” he said;
        “I warrant he’ll be with us when he’s wanted at the end,
        For both his horse and he are mountain bred.

        • “tighter laws re BAIL” ? What a Joke! It’s hard to believe that anyone could be so out of touch re the social engineering that’s holding the entire shebang together

          • According to Wikipedia Gargasoulas was charged, on 14 Jan ’17, with “speeding on the wrong side of the road and ignoring a police direction to stop”. It goes on to say that Police opposed bail but he was given a 20 January undertaking and released.

            I can’t find any explanation anywhere as to why the following powers weren’t invoked:

            ROAD SAFETY ACT 1986 – S. 84F Powers of Victoria Police
            (1) If a police officer believes on reasonable grounds that a motor vehicle is being, or has been used in the commission of a relevant offence, he or she may (a) seize the motor vehicle or require it to be surrendered; and (b) impound or immobilise the motor vehicle for the designated period.

            And I can’t find any information as to whether the same vehicle was used on both occasions.

            Amazing!

  34. He is a homeless guy that lives on Flinders Street, I see him everyday. He is a little slow, and enjoyed the sound of the burnout.

  35. I think he was a yobbo egging him on to do burnouts and poi ting that way to show him how to escape the cops. He’s just a random. Unrelated I think.

  36. It’s what you call a FALSE FLAG operation…. if you watch the footage closely you will see all the other operatives playing out their roles…. total staged event! Tyranny at its best/worst!

  37. I believe that our police force and the courts give criminals, and alleged criminals, too many chances. Whether you’re on bail, on parole or you are suspected of committing a crime, you still need to observe the authority of the law. You need to comply with the given instructions immediately. Although people believe that American police are too trigger-happy, I believe that if somebody in a uniform, with a reasonable belief that you have committed a crime, tells you “Stop police. Stop now or I will shoot!” that is plenty of warning. If you don’t stop, you can expect to be shot.
    Why are your rights paramount over complete innocent, law-abiding citizens who, by coincidence of being at a wrong place at the wrong time, may suffer from your continuing erratic behaviour and possibly die just because you won’t comply?

  38. what is happening with the black dude and his back pack but??? It looks like there’s half a dog somewhere mixed in to the first still on this page? And he looks like he’s wearing a sock on his left foot?? What’s going on here??

  39. Interesting? to take the v
    SMH 26.1.2017, p.12 News article on this subject , 4th column last paragraph when Jimmy was recently in court on previous charge.
    “The bail justice was told something by the police officer, which caused the bail justice to take the view that it was appropriate to grant bail”, said Magistrate Jelena Popovic.
    Wonder what the police officer told the court!

  40. Not many around here would recall the Western bail inquiry in NSW in the late 70’s.
    Western was granted bail in SDC and soon after, the police (armed hold up? Shot him through a bathroom window?…… from recollection)
    Well, all hell broke lose as to why he was granted bail. There was a dispute by the instructing solicitor and the police as to what instructions were given to the lawyer by the police.
    I know the instructing solicitor who later became a Crown prosecutor. I cannot recall any finding, but I would put my money on GH the then solicitor.
    As an aside !!!!! It was known at that time that some criminals operated under a police ‘green card’……….. for their cut!

    • Additionaly, one of the armed hold up chaps of those days is back in gaol recently entertaing the inmates on the piano (I hear) and with free stories. He is out of the ‘pay for’ entertainment stories these days.

  41. Well as life proceeds, this article and commentary will fade away.
    But here we have some questions to be raised when the proceeding before the Coroner are underway.
    Then it will be the duty of competent counsel to research and probe.
    I trust that they will be informed of the matters hereunder to assist their clients.
    Farewell.

    • “duty of competent counsel to research and probe” That there Ned my good fellow pretty much nails it. And all the “schooling” and all the “cost” of said, with fake money and…and… It seems to begin at a very early age, this path to ignorance?

      • CLARIFYING THE SWANSTON ST TRAFFIC SITUATION

        Yesterday I stood at the corner of Finders and Swanston, in other words where the donuts were made. The traffic was very heavy all around, but nary a car drove into Swanston St. So I (almost) think Dee was right. I did see bikes and trams entering, and, having googled the matter, I found a mayoral proclamation dated 2011 that it would be a no-car street.

        That said, I did see two cars in the other carriageway. (I mean coming towards Flinders.) They were riding on the team tracks and were sandwiched on between two trams. Nobody was making nay fuss so I guess it’s normal.

        Now I’ll tell you what else I saw coming down that carriageway but I know you won’t believe me. I saw a horse drawn carriage and a lady teamster driving the four horses. Maybe a tourist deal. I would like to say they looked like Clydesdales but m’fraid you will call the men in the white coats. Anyway they did not make the clump clump noise of a Clydesdale.

        Finally, as to why the ever-cautious Al Haig said she ALMOST thinks Dee is right – it’s that I could not see any sign at the Donut area saying “No entry except bikes and trams.”

        One more comment on traffic, but note I was there on a Friday at noon and Donutman was there on a Thursday at 1.30. The throngs of pedestrians crossing Flinders in both directions were huge.

        • Hi Mary,
          If you are still in Melbourne I would love to catch up for a coffee. I work at Melbourne Uni in the IT department. Change could start with the Law students I am hopeful if they can be stopped from going to the dark side. Love all of yours and Dee’s posts.

          Will

  42. One week on and no straight answer to any of the following questions:
    1) Did Gargasoulas have any actual previous convictions ?
    2) If so what were they?
    3)Was he actually arrested on 14 Jan’17(the fact that he was granted bail certainly suggests so)
    4) How was that arrest executed? Did he co operate?
    5) What was he actually charged with?
    6) Was the respective vehicle licenced ?
    7) If so in whose name ? What was the number ?
    8)What was the year, make, model ?
    9) Was it impounded?
    10) If not, why not?
    11) When was the alleged assault on Gavin Wilson reported ?
    12) What action, if any, was taken re that report? When, exactly, was it taken ?
    13) Was the respective vehicle actually stolen?
    14) Was said vehicle registered?
    15) What was the make model & year of manufacture.?
    16) Was the alleged assault on Gargasoulas’ brother reported?
    17 ) If so when, and what action was taken?
    18) At what time on 20 Jan’17 was Gargasoulas supposed to appear in court re the purported 14 Jan’17 bail undertaking?
    19) Were any roadblocks set up during the morning of 20 Jan’14 ?
    20) If not, why not?
    21) Has any info relating to any of the above questions already been disclosed to any media outlet?
    22) If so, what ?
    23) If not, why not ?

    The MSM’s attempt to fill in these holes with colour pics of the deceased & a floral display + syrupy eulogies speaks volumes

    • I was trying to make out the number plate – not sure it was Vic registration. Maybe SA where this guy is supposed to have spent time prior to coming to Melbourne

    • I have met dimi twice about 3years ago, he was going out with a chick friend of mine at the time. That was until the shit kunt belted the crap out of her. He’s an arrogant piece of shit who sold a lil bit of gear and thought he was mockbell. My best mate knows his younger brother (Angelo, the one who was stabbed by dimi) , and has visited him in hospital since it all happened.
      I know dimi has done jail, for what? Im not 100% sure of.
      Do I think he was capable of commiting such a horrific crime? Well, I can’t really make an assumption, I did not know him well. And the two times I had met him, was a number of years ago.
      The ‘blue man’ does seem quite odd, and does raise a few questions.
      If I was to make an assumption based on zero facts, it would be that he cooked himself on drugs , given himself a drug induced psychosis.

  43. They are on the wrong side of the road. I’ve no doubt they are some arm of law enforcement and they clearly knew to be there. Maybe they followed him, maybe they were standing-off waiting to see what happened, but whatever they were doing there, they certainly weren’t trying to stop things. The odds are against there being all unmarked, identical cars if this was the end point of a pursuit. Police nowadays use a variety of makes of car, so three identical, unmarked Commodores is something out of the ordinary, even in this extra-ordinary situation.

    • How did he get in there? Did he come up St Kilda Road? If Police had been onto him all day, how could it have even got this far if it wasn’t intended to?

  44. It is hoped by myself and I am sure other readers the heading of the mystery of the man in blue is a dead issue, he is a homeless person and anything to brighten his day and become a actor on the stage is welcomed by a individual whom has a relative boring existence, can we move on to more salient issues such as Trump and the Doomsday clock moving closer to annihilation?

    • Not so fast, Don. I visited the “homeless camp” on Flinders St yesterday and it is not exactly your typical group of down-and-out Aussies.
      The scenario may indeed be a part of the doomsday bit. I mean running pedestrians over is pretty doomish. i’in’t it?

      As is vaccinating for malicious purposes. Please see my chapter on Malice, Rhymes with Alice, in my 2013 book, “Consider the Lilies: A Review of 18 Cures for Cancer and Their Legal Status.”
      According to worldcat.org that book is on the shelf of 71 libraries.
      Yay!

      • REGARDING THE UNIVERSAL HUMAN NEED FOR A LOO

        Totally off the topic of conspiracy theory: the really diabolical bit is that the turn-styles have been positioned inside Flinders St station to prevent any non-travelers from using the toilets!

        So here we have folks living on the street, and on a cold night they have to walk across busy Flinders Street to use state-owned public toilets when they could have easily used state-owned public toilets much closer by.

      • Not sure what you mean a typical down and out lot? it sounds as if you are supporting the Flinders street camp? being another special group, whereas they are most likely coming from well heeled homes and are semi educated looking for notoriety and thrills waiting for their parents to die to get hold of a legacy and a five million dollar home or homes, the stage is set for being seen and the media loves it, in the mean time instead of these people having a purpose of identity? seeing a councilor may be more fruitful.
        I am making a reference to the opening title the man in blue, I am not sure if you are a sleeper or a radical in the Southern Hemisphere? as a lot of your references Mary are clever as retorts go, but seem to lack a wider reference of a magnitude on a world in serious distress? concerns such as the 5 series talk by “Charlotte Iserbyt” on “Education and Mind Control”? and references such as “The Secret History of Western Education”?

        • Don, sure, I think the world is in seeeeerious distress.

          But I only know a few ways to fight it. One way is to follow a case through its legal particulars, as i have done with Marathon, Port Arthur, and Lindt Cafe. Maybe then I can appeal to “neighbors” to consider what is going on.

          So I sauntered down to Flinders St (you know I live in Adelaide) and found the camp to be “not your typical down and outers.” I never see homeless in Adelaide but I do see them in Sydney and they look like I look when I am depressed — unable to be chipper. The ones I saw last Friday in Melbourne were over-the-top chipper.

          I did not interview them as they were being filmed by media. So I am unable to say much about them. I asked an Aboriginal friend of mine who seems to think that camp is a set-up. Anyway I do agree with you that we need to get crackin’, and I do agree that Charlotte Iserbyt is priceless.

          And as I said, I think the no-toilet policy is outrageous no matter what the state of the world is.

          Sorry if I retorted at you. I didn’t mean to do that. I meant: the blue man story — or the 3 silvery-car story — does seem to imply the involvement of authorites. As for the blue man himself I think he may have been thrown into the script to distract us. His behavior is too conspicuous to be covert, and I dont think the red car driver needed help anyway. But that’s only a guess.

          • Thanks Mary for your encouraging response, as their are now some thousands of think tanks all involved with economics, political manipulation and so on such Tavistock, I did not appreciate being targeted by this organization who were working with a project called MKUltra, and also two plain clothed MI5 cops who visited me on a complaint by two individuals who did not take any charges against me and their fore did not have any right to appear in court, these two cops threatened me to close my business with no charges laid against me, I resent as a private citizen being persecuted by the state, the facts are the so called charges were from unstable individuals and one returned to apologize, why I find as a so called free individual is you can be charged or threatened by state officials and have no ability to be heard in a court of law.
            I am as far as I know not able to do anything against the CIA running MKUltra and also to be visited by police with no verifiable evidence,
            When you are targeted by establishment as being a individual to be targeted it is not surprising that as one starts analyzing the structure of the First World order it is a unfortunate that on becomes a outsider by default? here i am not talking about Collin Wilsons book The Outsider, as I do not think it feasible that the model of the outsider can be a educated middle class outsider?
            When you come from the lower class structure which you know exists when called up for military service and you find you are posted as a rifleman you are in the front line as fodder to protect the upper middle classes who hate you, then you know the class system exists.

    • Yeah but how do you explain all the other actors? the inactive Police, crisis actors with bat, stage supervisors in red shirts, strategically parked cars (one even filming) to block Flinders Street Stage for the doughnut performance. HMMM???
      And if you insist on changing the subject, Trump, Obama, Bush Clinton etc. are also actors, ‘PUPPETS for Wall St. and the Military Industrial Complex.

      • The Truth is being spoken and the Shills are in meltdown mode. What an exciting time to be alive! I do however feel terrible for the unfortunate victims in this co-ordinated tragedy.

        Indeed – what of the thousands of CCTV cameras WE THE PUBLIC PAYED WITH TAXES to be installed into the CBDs of every major Australian city?

        WHERE IS ALL THAT FOOTAGE??!!

        Could it be that the elites own tools of surveillance upon its subjects could have caught them out in their own criminal operations? I think so!

        These guys are getting really sloppy at creating False Flag ops, Ed Wood could direct a better performance! Really!

        • Also seems that the two Tongan teenage boys did more to try to stop Gargasoulas than 3 unmarked police vehicles with an unknown number of (supposedly) highly trained occupants.

        • We will not see the cctv videos unless some are purposefully selected to obfuscate as desired.
          Have we seen all the cctv videos of the Pentagon on 911 showing what hit the office of naval inteligence bean counting department looking for the missing 2+ trillion announced by Rumsfield on 10/11 ?
          No! Just five frames disclosing only questions.

  45. I’ve tried discussing this issue with people – they just don’t want to know, or care, they’re being lied to.

    There must be a reason this farce was staged – I’m a’guessing there’s going to be some laws coming soon taking away more of our civil liberties in the name of ‘protecting us’ from the bad guys.

    The sheeple will let it hapen without a whimper.

  46. A friend of mine pointed out, to me one of the CCTV film clips of people ducking into a ‘MindGames’ store to avoid being hit, was odd because Mindgames have only very recently opened the store even though they have another, just up the street.
    Surely there must be plenty of other CCTV evidence, why are they only showing this one?
    Where are the Town Hall CCTV cameras? Maybe Robert Doyle can help us?

  47. Personally I think it was a police officer trying to direct him away from Swanson street..i think he was off duty or under cover walking around the city..

    • Well, the Vic police department should be able to clarify your personal opinion in a jiffy.
      So Victoria police,tell us who he is. We have questions for him in due course.

    • Timothy, thank you for that link.
      At least there was a street map. But I am confused, did Jimmie not drive up Swanston street?
      It will be incumbent on anyone representing the deceased to consider the information in the link. Seems that the msm reports are not reliable….. missing the silver commodores for example and other aspects.
      We should know by now that the msm is incompetent, being kind!
      Dee, I suggest that your article be bumped up to the top for more discussion so as to assist those representining families of the deceased when this matter comes before the Coroner.
      The trial will be interesting …… if there is one? Mr. Avery may be back in action to see justice accomplished.

        • Paul – If the maps I used are wrongly labelled, would much appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of an accurate one. Many thanks, Tim. Incidentally has anyone explained how Papaclueless (!) ended up in the place he did, 90 degrees to his alleged route?

          • The crownheights map is correct, Swanston Street is a continuation of St Kilda Road which crosses the Yarra River and then becomes Swanston. On the UK Sun map you’ll see that Swanston starts away from the bridge and I don’t even know why they brought Russell Street into the whole thing. I don’t think they put in much effort. I wonder how much more of their reporting gets so little effort?

      • My pleasure Ned. The fact that no less than FOUR official/security/police vehicles apparently made no attempt to block or stop the car when it is acknowledged that the police knew the driver was a violent offender who they had tailed by car and helicopter since the early hours, turns the event into a farce. If it is true that people subsequently died as a result of it, it is much more than a farce: in fact criminal negligence on the part of the police who need to be challenged and held to account for their action or inaction, as the case may be. The fact that those same four official cars subsequently disappear completely is another highly suspicious element, for there seems to be no sign of them when the driver of the Holden is dragged from his vehicle. The critical questions are therefore, who was driving them and under who’s direction; why did they not attempt to intervene; and where did they go? The answers, if they can be obtained, would go a long way to revealing who was really behind the incident and its purpose. Incidentally, I have discussed many similar European and American incidents on my blog, that have I believe been fraudulently laid at the door of largely innocent individuals working in fact for Western Government agencies. Please feel free to check them out.

        • I don’t think we can say that the 3 silvery cars and the one white car are “police”.

          They could be any kind of baddies, even ones who would assume that we will blame police for being in those cars.

          • “I don’t think we can say that the 3 silvery cars and the one white car are “police”.”

            Check my post below. We can say that three identical silver Commodores all on the wrong side of the road belong to someone with connections.

          • Silver Commodores with connections, ASIO?… AFP?…Special Branch…?Mi6?…Mossad?…CIA?…or a group combination effort.

          • I use the term “Police” advisedly. In practice, in incidents of this sort we must distinguish between genuine police and those that act behind the scenes in the Intelligence/Military community. This particular event was immediately classified by a politician – after a whispered comment by a man in dark glasses, apropos George Bush – a sure sign of the above if ever I saw one – whilst other sources, suggested the opposite. This demonstrates the difficulties of reconciling on the one hand, “telling only those that need to know”, with, on the other, making sure “everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.” Similar disagreements on the basic nature of the event have emerged in both Germany and Canada recently. The relationship between what Ole Dammegård, with hard evidence, has suggested is a specialist team that moves from place to place, or ‘dark state’ working to common objectives, and the Police is a tricky one. First, in most states there is more than one police force, dependent on territory or function and these are usually separate from but subservient to, the security services. In Britain of course we have largely secret branches (originally of the Military hence the nomenclature of ‘MI’) that pull rank over Chief Constables, alough in addition in the Metropolitan Police, “Special Branch” acted as an arm of the Secret Services, and not always in an honourable fashion. In addition it is recognised in the hierarchical police, the view from the top or bottom may be very different. So there is much room here for discrete groups to operate. Now in this case, what is inexplicable, is that conventional police apparently tracked the car and driver for hours, knowing his past record and that he had carried out a knife attack, yet fail to intervene, even when an ideal opportunity presents itself outside the station. This must have an explanation though I have not availed myself of one. As to those three unmarked silver cars and an additional white 4×4 that follow the red Holden down a tram-only street, I find it difficult to believe these could be other than “official” vehicles. We can surely rule out members of the public on the basis that they are identical models, they would be breaking traffic laws and who would want to? They are clearly not taxis. Criminals don’t act that way and motivation is difficult to imagine. So we are left with ‘officials’ and it is crucial that these are revealed. It is clear that they do not fit traditional ‘police’ label or they would have been in marked police vehicles. Did no one get their registration numbers? Has the Press not asked the question? And even if ‘we’ the public don’t know, the Police must. What could prevent them from sharing this information other than some degree of collusion in the event itself?

          • Timothy Veater’s Feb 1, 2017 reply suits me down to the ground.

            Yes, they will have to disgorge themselves of the license plate numbers of the 3 parked-in-the-wrong-direction cars. Even without referring to their moseying down Swanston — just the fact that they were not questioned for being in the wrong carriageway, just “lazin’ on a sunny afternoon” — requires an explanation.

  48. A week ago there were TWO then THREE profiles for Gargasoulis — NOW I CANNOT LOCATE THEM AT ALL. Can someone explain how this might work?

  49. There are three hard proofs that “Jimmy” was NOT a lone nut. This is an important requirement as they desperately need to keep within people’s minds that he acted alone. If not then they are between a rock and a hard place as it could either be 1) hoax or 2) democide (govt. killing of citizens). Here are the proofs:
    PROOF#1: composite image of “jimmy” and his mate in a baseball cap in his facebook page. The digital artifacts around the edge of “jimmy” can be seen in a filter and you can see if you zoom in too. Nobody normally does this with a useless background image as it’s never worth the effort. (This is a paid job to create a backstory but we all know budgets eventually run out and they need to move onto the next event.) . PROOF#2: Channel 7 camera crews were ALREADY stationed in the balcony of the Melbourne Town Hall as the car drove down Swanston Street and drove onto the footpath at Little Bourke street. I worked it out from the angles as I went there myself. Time is always money in today’s TV news so they don’t just hang out and by coincidence and get the perfect shots. They were pro’s because of the rapid zoom and focus on the vehicle. One video even shows a guy with the lens. PROOF#3: the 145 Swanston St Mind Games CCTV footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T4mLzo0T3o is edited. The car in the footage travels at exactly 80km/h or 22m/s or 0.4s across 8.7m (1.6s at youtube 0.25 speed). You can time this yourself with a stopwatch and count 17 x 51cm footpath tiles as the distance from rear car entry on the left to exit. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a vehicle to accelerate to 80 km/h from entering onto the footpath from Swanston St only 2 shops down WHILE periodically braking the vehicle at the same time (decelerating). The periodic braking can be spotted in smokenmirrors upload as the car drives down the footpath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh4e8BySO9U&feature=youtu.be&t=2m1s. This means the CCTV was edited to make the car appear faster.

    • There is another aspect of this Burke Street thing that is not being discussed. I listended to a podcast by the Knowyourrightsgroup.com.au one Tueday night, a while back and these are some of the questions and comments that came out it.

      How did this violent repeat offender who was known to police, over many years, who had a history of assaults , and family violence, allowed out on bail?

      Asking how was anyone to know what this bloke was going to do is not relevant. Given his past history, he should have been denied bail.

      If the bloke had mental health problems what is the extent their involvement in this event.

      The system is there to protect us. Rember the saying to ‘serve and protect.’ The system is fundamentally flawed.

      Part of any enquiry must look at the role of all other parties who had a role to play in this tragedy, leading up to the actual event. (this is where prevention takes place.)

      When we find out what role each of those other parties played, then we can see where the system is most broken and start fixing it.

      Why was this person bailed in the first place.

      We need to start by looking at the existing laws and asking our selves where these laws complied with in the first place and then ask were they adequate to ensure offenders like this cannot get through the system or fall through the cracks.

      Go back to the basic concept of punishing those who have direct impact on the commission of the crime.

      We need to make sure the lives that have been lost are not wasted but are instead used as a catylst for examination, analysis and cause identification of the event so that information can be used as the basis for preventing future events.

      Start with the laws and practices that exist.

      This bloke stabbed his bother and 12 hours later he sat in the busiest intersection for 12 minutes going round n round in the intersection before driving off down the street.

      Question is why do these events happen.

      Lots of people have mental health problems, drug problems etc.

      Why was this bloke not in a mental hospital ?

      The police knew this bloke had stabbed his brother 12 hours before hand why did they not box him in.

      The police had plenty of opportunities to take him into custody after stabling his brother.

      How did a repeat offender who was well known to police over many years with a history of violent assaults get released.

      Why was this able to happen in the first place? Courts are supposed to be available 24/ 7

      Under the Australian Constitution and the laws of England that are binding on all those who are operating within the administration of justice in Australia which quite clearly dictate that the courts are accessible 24/7.

      Any legislation they bring about that allows a magistrates court to site 24/7 is simply reaffirming the laws that already exist.

      When it comes to the events of Friday in Melbourne where are bloke did doughnuts in an intersection and run to several people in Melbourne, the police had plenty of off opportunity, to make an application for a warrant for arrest of the driver.

      They had 12 hours and they had evidence that the driver had committed an offence, he had breached his bail therefore the police could have arrested the bloke at any time and take him into custody. But instead of arresting him they chose to follow him around. WHY???

      Focus goes onto the bail justice who released the bloke back into the community, allowing him to cause all these deaths. The respective act in Victoria in called the bail act of 1977.

      There is no obstruction on the court to have kept this bloke in custody. The legislation needs revamping. Upon application, the court has an obligation to look behind the issues at hand, so therefore, if the police, are stating that this or recommending that bail not be given, that in fact the person be remanded, then the bail justice or the magistrate, as they both have the same standing, then have an obligation to take into account the full weight of whatever it is the police are applying for with regard to keeping he or she in custody.

      The defense for this bloke is that he did not know what he was doing. Its strange that this is another co-incidence in which someone has driven a vehicle into a public place. Is this just a coincidence or is there something else to this.

      Can we refer back to any point in our past where this has occurred on a repetitive basis just in the last couple of months?

      The event in Niece in France where the bloke drove a truck down a street and supposedly killed people.

      Did the police put a strong enough case to the bail judge or oppose bail for this bloke? If they had actually put good enough evidence in front of the bail justice, and the bail justice who then found some excuse to release this individual then they bear some responsibility for what this person does upon release.

      This is how we make these justices answerable.

      They cant just be passing these rulings and then washing their hands of unwanted events that the released person might carry out. This not how society is made accountable. This puts the onus on back on these justices they have to be accountable for all of their own actions.

      There is the law of aiding and abetting because clearly this bail justice or magistrate has aided and abetted in those 5 murders and the assaults that occurred in the lead up and during the actions the driver carried out against the other 15 odd people.

      Why did it take a cop to drive a police car into this blokes car 50 minutes later instead of the 12 hours prior. They had more than enough opportunity to stop this bloke.

      The court has the power to make any order they like if they want to exercise it against us for some stupid traffic fine then why not exercise this same amount of power and discretion when it comes to a long term violent repeat offender who is known to the police.

      Why does this bail judge choose to not come forward and front the media and front the community explain his decision and the reasons he gave the ruling he did in relation to the application for this bloke bail.

      Why does he choose to not to take responsibility for his decision and resign his job. How can he make such a gross error or judgment in this case?

      Why does he then not also decide to devote the rest of his life to setting right the any shortcomings in the bail act that may exist to ensure such a mistake is not made again the future.

      Why has the media not pursued this bail justice and attempted to interview him?

      I myself sent emails to 3 TV stations asking them to interview the bail justice. They all said they sent my request to the news people but I not anything since but then I’m not holding my breath over it either

      • This is a typical modus operandi.

        The patsy — or perpetrator is usually known to police or intelligence agencies. And in many cases employed by them. Monis was out on bail — supposedly for murder.

        The whole point in many cases is to allow the legal system to fail.

        Read Mary Maxwell’s FRAUD UPON THE COURT

      • The system needs dangerous individuals and to support these people to justify the political system to protect you against danger, the system has to be calibrated to create enough fear in the public mind, but not too much whereby the system falls into a total anarchistic disorder, to avoid total destruction globally, such as Syria,going World wide, this is a precarious balance between total destruction and controlled destruction, it has to be managed by think tanks, military, police, politicians and finance and of course propaganda.

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