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Ursula Haverbeck’s Fate and Why Aussies Should Freely Discuss Holocaust Revisionism

Ursula Haverbeck (photo – renegade tribune)

by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

Ursula Haverbeck, age 89, lost her appeal last week and is expecting to be jailed for her demand that Germans be provided with specific information about the 1940s Holocaust. Germany, France, and other nations have a law forbidding citizens to “miminize” the Holocaust – as it insults the dead and/or incites racial violence.

In 2009, Adelaide’s Dr Fredrick Toben was held in contempt of court for refusing to delete offensive things from his website. I submitted an amicus curiae brief. It was rejected by the judge on the grounds that Toben’s counsel could have said the same things. I print it here as “public domain” in case anyone wants to use it in a similar case.

My brief has nothing to do with Auschwitz and does not mention the content of the case against Toben. I was speaking for “other parties,” namely, the Australian public.

In the Federal Court of Australia, South Australia district registry, in the appeal from the decision of JUSTICE BRUCE LANDER in Fredrick Toben v Jeremy Jones

The issues to be dealt with, in two parts of the amicus brief, are as follows: … Part One — the need, for schools and universities to continue to impart students the traditional rules governing scientific and historical research, and Part Two — the way in which a jail sentence for a scholar will chill free expression in Australia, mainly by engendering self-censorship.


It Is Valuable to a Society To Have a Consensus As to What Constitutes ‘Science.’

It is well established that scientific research is a particular endeavor requiring disciplined thought. One is expected to ‘follow the rules of science.’ The acceptance of the results of a scientist’s research is dependent, in the first instance, on a showing that she, for example, used a properly selected control group for comparison with the subjects of her experiment, or that she made scrupulously careful measurements.

It is also undisputed that a person can start with any theory about the world, marshal facts and arguments in support of it, and draw a conclusion as to whether he has proved his point. Others will then agree or disagree with his methods or his conclusion; they may offer an alternative theory to explain the same set of empirical facts.

The integrity of the existing body of science, and the validity of yet-to- be-produced scientific work, are protected by a culture within the scientific community that jumps at sloppiness of research and erroneous conclusions, and praises careful work.

Young students need to be made aware of how science works. In a famous case in Louisiana, United States, concerning so-called Creation Science, 72 Nobel laureates (31 in physics, 13 in chemistry, and 28 in physiology and medicine) submitted an amici curiae whose key paragraph is as follows:

This case is crucial to the future of scientific education in this nation. As researchers in many different branches of advanced science, amici share a concern for the basic scientific education of this nation’s public- school students. Scientific education should accurately portray the current state of substantive scientific knowledge. Even more importantly, scientific education should accurately portray the premises and processes of science. Teaching religious ideas mislabeled as science is detrimental to scientific education: It sets up a false conflict between science and religion, misleads our youth about the nature of scientific inquiry, and thereby compromises our ability to respond to the problems of an increasingly technological world….. [emphasis added] — Don Aguillard v Edwin Edwards, No. 85-1513, 1986 US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit

A Welcoming Environment for New Scientific Ideas Has Helped Australia

Today, Australia is among the leaders in many fields of science and technology.

Looking back a century and a half we can see that ‘a people’s science,’ as historian Ann Moyal calls it, was the source of much new work. She writes, in her 1986 book, A Bright and Savage Land, ‘By the mid-1850s several colonies boasted a scientific museum of their own. Men, women, and children flocked to these repositories of natural science…. During the 1830s and 40s the egalitarian Mechanics Institutes sprang up in the eastern colonies [including] in such country towns as Goulburn in New South Wales and Ipswich in Queensland…. The Sydney School of Arts and Mechanics Institute was founded…by a group which included a saddler, John Reilly, a bootmaker, William Hipkiss, a builder, David Taylor and J.R. Fenwick, a boy.’ P.82-3.

‘In South Australia,’ Moyal notes, ‘the Chief Justice, Richard Hanson, gave the most explicit and cogent contemporary examination of the Darwinian thesis in Four Papers read before the Philosophical Society of Adelaide in 1864.’ P. 143.

As there is no reason to assume that scientific discovery has now ended, it is vital for Australia that citizens feel that their ideas will be listened to. Very few individuals have the self-confidence to insist on an insight that has been declared heretical or taboo. Students need to be told that the ‘popularity’ of an idea is not what really counts.

The Discipline of History, Too, Has Rules, and Is Permanently Open to Revision

Historiography, the writing of history, has its own rules. Academic historians guard their field, as scientists do, by teaching students to follow certain protocols of research and writing.

A person who publishes a history, of any period or place, is expected to justify her writing by presenting the sources on which she relied. She is explicitly not allowed to make something up, nor is she allowed to take a wild guess. Even an ‘educated guess’ will be greeted with plenty of criticism by colleagues.

Thus ‘good history’ is cautious. It states as historical fact only that for which there is substantial evidence. Typically, colleagues – who are competitors, actually – publish criticism of history books, pointing to errors or to inferences that cannot be supported.

Moreover, as every political scientist knows, the rulers of a society prefer that their version of history be the one learned by the people, so that people will not gain power over them via, say, anger. Often a government denies having done something that it shouldn’t have done. For example, for many years South Australians were assured that no one was harmed by the nuclear explosion conducted by the British at Maralinga. Later it was admitted that that assurance was incorrect.

Both because new historical material is always turning up, and because there are revisionists with an explicit mission to correct wrongly-told history, it is important that the public know that there are standards by which various histories can be judged.

To believe otherwise is disruptive of rationality in general. It would be a throwback to the days of prejudice, and could be expected to impinge on fairness.

Conclusion to Part One of This Amicus Brief: Relevance of the Toben Case to the Standards of Science and Historiography

The public hears only bits and pieces of the Toben case. Australians are likely to get the mistaken impression that Dr Toben is being punished for something he said or wrote and that we all had better start biting our tongue. ….

The mainstream media in Australia is deliberately attempting to create the impression that ‘denying’ the holocaust is a crime. The anchorwoman of Channel 7 News, on May 13, 2009, opened the segment about the case with the words ‘Adelaide’s notorious holocaust denier Fredrick Toben…’ in the way one might say ‘Infamous rapist So-and So’ or Notorious embezzler So-and-So.’ The audience could hardly fail to form an impression that a person who denies the holocaust could thereby become ‘notorious’ – something no one wants to be.

Similarly, a headline in the Adelaide Advertiser – and at www.news.com.au – on May 13, 2009, said HOLOCAUST DENIER FREDRICK TOBEN JAILED. Many people read only the headlines, and from that headline they may unconsciously ‘learn’ that you can go to jail in Australia if you deny the holocaust.

This case could therefore become the launching pad for a revolutionary view that racial discrimination laws can obviate proper science and proper historical research.

Hence, this amicus calls the Court’s attention to the fact that one consequence of a jail term for Toben will almost certainly be a reluctance on the part of history and science teachers to handle any question from students as to how the World War II gas chambers functioned, or how the number of civilian deaths was arrived at.

Such reluctance would deprive students of being reminded that long- standing rules of science and of historiography are still current and in need of respect.


Australia Takes for Granted That Citizens Should Be Able To Speak Freely

The right of every person to think freely and speak freely is a modern idea. No mention of such a right appears in the otherwise very prescient Magna Carta of 1215, as people in those days understood ‘tradition’ to be their guide. Only after Martin Luther started the protest-ant reformation of the Church in Germany did the public debating of accepted truths become (relatively) commonplace.

Still, by the time of the English Bill of Rights of 1689, the only ‘talk’ that was guaranteed to the subjects was talk to the monarch. ‘And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons…do… for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare…That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and any commitments or prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal.’

By 1791, the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States provided ‘Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press….’

The International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions calls upon libraries and library staff, today, ‘to adhere to the principles of intellectual freedom, uninhibited access to information and freedom of expression….’ www.ifla.org/faife

Australia follows common law to protect freedom of speech. Also, the High Court has ruled that a right to freedom of political communication is implied by the sections of the Constitution that guarantee representative and responsible government, and that those sections ‘preclude the curtailment of the protected freedom by the exercise of legislative or executive power.’ – Australian Capital Television v Commonwealth (1992) 177 CLR.

Enforced silence about the doings of the powerful is quite foreign to Australia.

There Is a New Chill in the Air

Since 2001, and usually with reference to the terrorist incident of September 11th, the governments of various countries have legislated to restrict free speech.

In the United States, Bob Barr, a Libertarian, notes the difference between going to a protest rally in the period of the 1968 to 1988 – when you could wear a Nixon mask and actually have fun, and the period under Pres. George W. Bush when you are made to feel like a criminal. He writes in ‘The FBI’s Pre-emptive Interrogations of ‘Possible Demonstrators: Chilling Political Speech’ (www.Findlaw.com, August 25, 2004):

Now, things are very different. ….For example, people with T-shirts that hint at disagreement are not allowed anywhere near the events, nor even on the route traveled by the presidential motorcade. …E]vidence has been mounting that special agents are showing up at the homes and offices of potential protesters – casting suspicion upon them in front of bosses, colleagues, family, friends and neighbors….

Worldwide, citizens appear to be losing their civil liberties more and more every year.

In Australia, the Anti-Terrorism Act came into effect in December 2005. It provides up to 7 years jail for anyone who urges ‘disaffection against the Government or Constitution of the Commonwealth….’ This opens the door to the controlling of free speech.

Conclusion to Part Two of This Amicus Brief: The Relevance of the Toben Case to the Chilling of Free Speech

Toben v Jones is a unique case. The defendant was initially not charged with a crime. Certainly there is no law in Australia against denying the holocaust. Rather, the plaintiff brought a civil action against Toben, as is provided for in the Racial Discrimination Act, claiming that Toben published things on his website that offended an ethnic group. In failing to clean up his website, Toben then committed the quasi-crime of contempt. He will be jailed for undermining the court’s authority, not for offending an ethnic group.

The problem is that very few people understand that distinction, and so the jailing of Toben will have a more chilling effect on free speech than is actually warranted.

The media are contributing to this problem in a manner that looks well-planned. For example, journalist Selma Milovanovic in The Age, May 29, 2009, states that Justice Bruce Lander ‘rebuked’ Dr. Toben for adding material to the website on the morning of the sentencing hearing (April 28, 2009). That is simply false. Although at one point Justice Lander quite justifiably told the defendant to stop lecturing and just answer the questions, he did no rebuking – His Honour was meticulously tolerant of both parties.

Also, J-Wire, an internet magazine, stated, on May 28, 2009, that the plaintiffs in Jones v Toben ‘have also requested that action be taken against [Adelaide Institute’s] current director, Peter Hartung.’ The implication is that the plaintiffs can ask the court to prosecute, but in fact the plaintiffs attorney merely said he might bring an action himself.

Part One of this amicus pointed out, concerning the standards of science and historiography, that the media is playing an active role by insinuating that holocaust denial is the kind of thing that ‘notorious’ persons do, rather than the sort of thing that is quite ordinary among scientists and historians. Here in Part Two it is said that media are trying to increase, rather than decrease, the chilling effect of the Toben case on free speech.

It is beyond this amicus to reflect on the media’s motive in trying to chill free speech.

In the past, if any scholar were to be punished for statements, no matter how offensive, it would be met with an uproar from academia. Yet today, at Adelaide’s three universities, we see evidence that self-censorship is already taking hold: silence reigns.

For example, a Google search for ‘adelaide university, fredrick toben’ conducted on 2 June, 2009 (Exhibit A) and a yahoo search for ‘‘university of Adelaide,’ Toben’ conducted on 3 June, 2009 (Exhibit B) failed to bring up, on their first page, any reports of local discussions of free-speech issues related to Toben.

Very likely each person says to himself ‘It is not worth jail, or loss of a job, or getting smeared by the media, or possibly risking one’s health or that of his loved ones, to help a man who could easily avoid jail just by shutting up.’ Anyone can read, at 13.1 of Toben’s May 25, 2009 affidavit, the allegation that his local Internet provider has received death threats – and that no police investigation appears to have resulted from that.

The chilling of free expression in Australia also encompasses consideration of what may happen when one travels outside Australia. After all, Dr. Toben, who is Australian, was taken off a plane at Heathrow in 2008 while he was transiting from United States to Dubai. He was kept in a London jail, with threat of extradition by the European Union Arrest Warrant. No mention was made in the press of any intervention by the Australian government.

Also, anyone can see, at www.rense.com, the complaint to the United Nations Human Rights Committee that was filed by solicitor Barbara Kulaszka on behalf of Ernst Zündel stating that he was kept in solitary confinement in Toronto for 2 years, with no charges presented, other than ‘national security’ charges conducted in secret. Earlier, Zündel had been cleared of charges for publishing a book by Robert Harwood, Did Six Million Really Die? questioning the number of holocaust deaths.

Then, according to Kulaszka, Canada deported Zündel to Germany, despite the fact that he had lived in Canada since 1958. In 2007, a German court convicted Zündel of the crime of holocaust denial, and sentenced him to five years in prison. Canada’s legal system being comparable to Australia’s, it is not unreasonable for people in this country to panic, rightly or wrongly, about the portent of the Toben case.

In conclusion, this amicus draws attention to the fact that Toben v Jones has implications for persons that are not parties to the case. Those persons can be liberally identified as all Australian children and all Australian adults.

Respectfully submitted by Mary Maxwell, Ph.D. *****

Toben adds, in regard to his original case which was at the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission:  “I had over 20 witnesses and [Director}  McEvoy ruled nearly all of them as irrelevant, as she ruled irrelevant my presenting matters of fact. For example, both Professor Arthur Butz’s The Hoax of the 20th Century and the Hayward thesis were silently swept under the carpet.”

For the record: Fredrick Toben does not deny the Holocaust.

–Mary W Maxwell is currently an accepted-by-the-court amicus curiae in the appeal of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s conviction, in United States court, 1st Circuit.



  1. Talking about Heathrow Mary, I heard of a young female traveler going to London about a month ago. She arrived at Heathrow for a months holiday, but had not bought her return ticket. She had her holiday plans laid out though. She was held, I think for 10 hours, and interrogated. She and the family offered immediately to purchase the ticket on the phone right there and then — but she was not allowed to — sent back to Australia. The way she was spoken to did not sound pretty. Well, she wasn’t a refugee. I found this strange as I think it is easy to get a working visa anyway. The episode did not make sense. I asked her boyfriend to get her to write it up… but she wanted to forget the experience. Authority feeds on domination and intimidation.

  2. So Jones was unable to prove libel? is that common law?
    Was there a judges direction during the case that was ignored by Toben?Sorry if that was plain.
    Jail is extreme and i would think Jones, would win a compensation, when the judge explained the heavy hand to stop Toben.
    Wish the law sites were transperant and I could search things like judge plus determinations plus reason, on ALL activity. You only get the cases they want to be seen . Is there such a site.
    The Aussie Constitution is carbon copied and pasted from the US. Section 51 i think is clear to the common people, it never flies here or there.
    You might not like the bikies, but the laws of non association will trickle down, to any desent, valid or not

      • OMG. I had not been aware that Ernst Zundel died in 2017.
        The Jerusalem Post said: “Ernst Zundel, a Holocaust denier who was jailed for inciting hatred against Jews, has died in Germany.”

        Mary always says and will say again, it’s not the revisionists who are inciting hatred against Jews, it’s the German government that is inciting hatred against Jews by creating this ridiculous law. I contend that is the major purpose of it.

      • Where can I find a transcript of the Ursula Haverbeck interview in question ? ( I like to go through things at my own pace……my guess is that the transcript of the actual trial is not available)

  3. Given its working so far, its diabolically clever, to make an inquirer subject to the vilification they pretend to protect us from.
    Even though the light horse helps during the balflour doctrine, even though we spill blood to stop the regimen accused and convicted of crimes against humanity, no questions keep moving.
    RAAF kills sovereign semites in Syria with missiles on the credit card, no answers keep moving.
    Its just surreal.
    I liked John Saffran a lot but every one thought it funny when he put the Professor David Irwin in
    a fake gas chamber, so why the double standard.

  4. Today I watched a video by Karen Hudes, former Senior Legal Counsel with the World Bank. In the video she stated that the Russians built and operated a nuclear enrichment facility at Auschwitz and Jews were used as labour.

    It was not that long ago that when someone was being politically incorrect, the word was “education’ We must educate people on this. One day, a few years ago; I heard something new. “This is so serious we might have have to legislate here.” Now it seems legislation is the first treatment prescribed for any kind of unapproved comments. Why is legislation new the first resort of government?

    My question is now this?

    What law says I cannot comment on another person’s appearance or any other quality or characteristic about that person? More importantly, why should any law prohibit me from doing so?

    If I display a gross sense of insensitivity or disrespect towards others for whatever reason, I will eventually pay for it one way or another. The only thing that should stop me is my own sense of respect for others, which is achieved through education and not through legislation. That, is nothing but fear.

    The right to comment on another person’s religion or anything else about them is a measure of the freedom of speech enjoyed by the population in any society.

    When did we give government any right to make laws limiting what we can say about another human person?

    The lack of wisdom and prudence in making comments which might deeply offend others is an important and legitimate question to rise but it’s not the issue with respect to making laws.

    IMO, freedom of speech for humans to say whatever they think, is just too important to risk, under any circumstances.

    The risk that governments will take an inch and turn it into a mile is just too great and they have a long and distinguished record of doing this kind of thing.

    • Kevin, of course i agree with you about legislation, but what of self-censorship? That has a far bigger effect. Gumshoe recently pointed to the report that businesses (e.g., publisher Allen and Unwin) are now voluntarily holding back on literature that criticizes Canberra’s kowtowing to China. Or China’s pressure on Oz.

      A professor at Adelaide told me, years ago, that faculty are not allowed to fail a Chinese student in any subject.

      The opposite suppression, however, is that of the Chinese “refugees’s” willingness to talk abut human rights. In our Adelaide Fringe show in 2015, we showed some of the beauty of Chinese wisdom.

      In a few decades, Australia will be majority Chinese. We should be chatting with, and trying to influence, these new citizens.

  5. The headline needs editing to:
    ‘The criminal lying politicians and criminal lying msm and criminal lying public broadcasters believe in protecting and covering for criminal mass murderers’.

  6. The genius of this is that we are not discussing holocaust revisionism, we are still discussing whether we should discuss holocaust revisionism.

    Mission accomplished thus far I’d say.

    • Paul, I wrote a long answer to your remark, but lost it when i left this page to check the Zundelsite.org.

      There I found that his wife Ingrid Rimland has also passed away, in October 2017. No details.

      Note: For those in Europe, don’t go to that site as it may be a crime to do so.

      • It has probably been about 20 years since I first visited the Zundelsite and read the transcripts and exhibits of Zundel’s trials. As a barrister, the evidence was overwhelming that the prosecution witnesses were liars and the defense (Zundel) was open and telling the truth. It was a total, crushing defeat that the ‘lobby’ was going to make Zundel pay for (thus his years in prison in Germany). Funny thing, THEY were the ones that started the trials – like DUH.

        I looked at the site today and noticed that the transcripts are no longer available. However, someone has written a book that incorporates the transcripts and that is written more for the layperson. Perhaps that will be easier for the average person to grasp, but as a lawyer I preferred reading the raw transcripts.


  7. Hey, wait, I like this law against fake news:

    “Everyone who willfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offense and is liable to imprisonment for two years.”

    Bring it back!

  8. Above, Berry asked for some proof of Ursula’s case.
    Berry here is one that is in good English; most of the others are in subtitles. She does not tell much here but on the sidebars you will find other stuff.

  9. Never heard this about judges before (This from Robert Faurison’s blogspot):

    On July 11, 2006 I personally was once more summoned to appear before a Paris court on the grounds of that special law. The presiding judge, Nicolas Bonnal, had recently attended a training course on the means of cracking down on revisionism over the Internet, a course organised by the European office of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, in Paris, under the auspices of the Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France (CRIF) (Representative Council of Jewish Institutions of France)! In a release triumphantly headed “The CRIF plays an active part in the training of European judges” this Jewish body, whose political force is exorbitant, was not afraid of announcing urbi et orbi that it listed Nicolas Bonnal amongst its pupils or trainees

    My mother would say: Glory be to God.

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