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Mary Maxwell “Interviews” Aldous Huxley in 1958

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(L) Sir Julian Huxley, National Portrait Gallery (C) Jean Steel who was given Deep Sleep treatment in Canada, Photo: vigilantcitizen.com(R) Aldous Huxley, Photo: Encyclopedia Britannica
(L) Sir Julian Huxley, National Portrait Gallery (C) Jean Steel who was given Deep Sleep treatment in Canada, Photo: vigilantcitizen.com(R) Aldous Huxley, Photo: Encyclopedia Britannica

by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

Introduction: Everyone knows of Aldous Huxley’s dystopian novel, Brave New World (1932).  But he also wrote, in 1957, Brave New World Revisited. It is not a charming read, so I have broken it up and made it seem like an interview that I “conducted” a year after its publication. (Not really; I was age 11 at the time.)

All of Huxley’s “answers” to my questions are verbatim from Chapters 9 and 10 of his 1957 book. Aldous was the brother of Julian Huxley. They are sons of Darwin’s famous promoter Sir Thomas Huxley (1825-1895).

Mary: Who was Dr Poetzl, whom Sigmund Freud referred to in 1919?

Aldous: Poetzl was an Austrian neu­rologist, who had published a paper de­scribing his experiments with the tachistoscope. (The tachistoscope is an instrument that comes in two forms — a viewing box, into which the subject looks at an image that is exposed for a small fraction of a second…) Poetzl required the sub­jects to make a drawing of what they had consciously noted of a picture exposed to their view in a tachisto­scope. . . . He then turned his attention to the dreams dreamed by the subjects during the following night and required them once more to make drawings of appropriate portions of these dreams. It was shown unmistakably that those details of the exposed picture which had not been noted by the subject provided ma­terial for the construction of the dream.

Mary: Can these things be found by us in academic journals?

Aldous: Yes. With various modifications and refinements Poetzl’s experiments have been repeated several times, most recently by Dr. Charles Fisher, who has contributed three excellent papers on the subject of dreams and “preconscious perception” to the Journal of the Ameri­can Psychoanalytic Association. [Other] studies have shown that people actually see and hear a great deal more than they consciously know they see and hear, and that what they see and hear without knowing it is recorded by the subconscious mind and may affect their conscious thoughts, feelings and behavior.

In 1957, exactly forty years after the publication of Poetzl’s original paper, it was announced that [these things] had been applied, they had entered the realm of technology. The an­nouncement made a considerable stir, and was talked and written about all over the civilized world. And no wonder; for the new technique of “subliminal projec­tion,” as it was called, was intimately associated with mass entertainment, and in the life of civilized human beings mass entertainment now plays a part compara­ble to that played in the Middle Ages by religion….

By means of specially designed tachistoscopes words or images were to be flashed for a millisecond or less upon the screens of television sets and motion picture theaters during (not before or after) the program. “Drink Coca-Cola” or “Light up a Camel” would be superimposed upon the lovers’ em­brace, the tears of the broken-hearted mother, and the optic nerves of the viewers would record these secret messages, their subconscious minds would respond to them and in due course they would consciously feel a craving for soda pop and tobacco.

And meanwhile other secret messages would be whispered too softly, or squeaked too shrilly, for conscious hearing. Con­sciously the listener might be paying attention to some phrase as “Darling, I love you”; but subliminally, be­neath the threshold of awareness, his incredibly sensi­tive ears and his subconscious mind would be taking in the latest good news about deodorants and laxatives….

Mary: Was all of this used in the UK?

Aldous: In Britain, where the process of manipulating minds below the level of consciousness is known as “strobonic injection,” investigators have stressed the practical importance of creating the right psychological conditions for subconscious persuasion. A suggestion above the threshold of awareness is more likely to take effect when the recipient is in a light hypnotic trance, under the influence of certain drugs, or has been debilitated by illness, starvation, or any kind of physical or emotional stress.

Mary: This sounds dangerous.

Aldous: The scientific dictator of tomorrow will set up his whispering machines and subliminal projectors in schools and hospitals (chil­dren and the sick are highly suggestible), and in all public places where audiences can be given a preliminary softening up by suggestibility-increasing oratory or rituals….

But to strengthen existing faith is not enough; the propagandist, if he is worth his salt, must create new faith, must know how to bring the indifferent and the undecided over to his side, must be able to mollify and perhaps even convert the hostile. … Above the threshold of awareness, one of the most effective methods of non-rational persuasion is what may be called persuasion-by-association. The propagan­dist arbitrarily associates his chosen product, candi­date or cause with some idea, some image of a person or thing which most people, in a given culture, unquestioningly regard as good.

Mary: Has the National Institute of Health been involved in the techniques of persuasion?

Aldous: Yes. In a series of ex­periments carried out at New York University, under the auspices of the National Institute of Health, it was found that a person’s feelings about some con­sciously seen image could be modified by associating it, on the subconscious level, with another image, or, better still, with value-bearing words.

Thus, when asso­ciated, on the subconscious level, with the word “happy,” a blank expressionless face would seem to the observer to smile, to look friendly, amiable, outgoing. When the same face was associated, also on the subcon­scious level, with the word “angry,” it took on a forbid­ding expression, and seemed to the observer to have become hostile and disagreeable….

If the propagandist can put his vic­tims into a state of abnormally high suggestibility, if he can show them, while they are in that state, the thing, the person or, through a symbol, the cause he has to sell, and if, on the subconscious level, he can associate this thing, person or symbol with some value-bearing word or image, he may be able to modify their feelings and opinions without their having any idea of what he is doing.

Mary: Can you give me an example?

Aldous: [One might] enhance the entertainment value of films and television plays by using this technique. People like to feel strong emotions and therefore enjoy tragedies, thrillers, murder mysteries and tales of passion. The dramatization of a fight or an embrace produces strong emotions in the spectators. It might produce even stronger emotions if it were associated, on the subconscious level, with appropriate words or symbols.

For example, in the film version of A Farewell to Arms, the death of the heroine in childbirth might be made even more distressing than it already is by subliminally flashing upon the screen, again and again, during the playing of the scene, such ominous words as “pain,” “blood” and “death.” Consciously, the words would not be seen; but their effect upon the subconscious mind might be very great….

Mary: How could one use this in political campaigns?

Aldous: Let us try to imagine what the political meeting of tomorrow will be like. The candi­date (if there is still a question of candidates), or the appointed representative of the ruling oligarchy, will make his speech for all to hear. Meanwhile the tachistoscopes … the projectors of images so dim that only the subconscious mind can respond to them, will be reinforcing what he says by systematically associating the man and his cause with positively charged words and hallowed images, and by strobonically injecting negatively charged words and odious symbols whenever he men­tions the enemies of the State or the Party.

In the United States brief flashes of Abraham Lincoln and the words “government by the people” will be pro­jected upon the rostrum. In Russia the speaker will, of course, be associated with glimpses of Lenin, with the words “people’s democracy,” with the prophetic beard of Father Marx. Because all this is still safely in the future, we can afford to smile. Ten or twenty years from now [1968 or 1978], it will probably seem a good deal less amus­ing. For what is now merely science fiction will have become everyday political fact.

Mary: Can people be trained morally during sleep?

Aldous: [It’s called] hypnopaedia. In 1957 the Woodland Road Camp, a penal institution in Tulare County, California, be­came the scene of a curious and interesting experiment. Miniature loud-speakers were placed under the pillows of a group of prisoners who had volunteered to act as psychological guinea pigs. Each of these pillow speakers was hooked up to a phonograph in the Ward­en’s office. Every hour throughout the night an inspi­rational whisper repeated a brief homily on “the princi­ples of moral living.” Waking at midnight, a prisoner might hear this still small voice extolling the cardinal virtues or murmuring, on behalf of his own Better Self, “I am filled with love and compassion for all, so help me God.”

In my book Brave New World, the Director of Hatcheries and Condition­ing for Western Europe explains to a group of fresh­man conditioners and hatchers the workings of that state-controlled system of ethical education, known in the seventh century After Ford as hypnopaedia. The earliest attempts at sleep-teaching, the Director told his audience, had been misguided, and therefore unsuccessful. Educators had tried to give intellectual train­ing to their slumbering pupils. But intellectual activ­ity is incompatible with sleep. Hypnopaedia became successful only when it was used for moral training — in other words, for the conditioning of behavior through verbal suggestion at a time of lowered psy­chological resistance….

In the Brave New World, no citizens belonging to the lower castes ever gave any trouble. Why? Because, from the moment he could speak and understand what was said to him, every lower-caste child was exposed to end­lessly repeated suggestions, night after night, during the hours of drowsiness and sleep. These suggestions were “like drops of liquid sealing wax, drops that ad­here, incrust, incorporate themselves with what they fall on, till finally the rock is all one scarlet blob. Till at last the child’s mind is these suggestions and the sum of these suggestions is the child’s mind. And not the child’s mind only. The adult’s mind too — all his life long. The mind that judges and desires and de­cides — made up of these suggestions. But these sugges­tions are our suggestions — suggestions from the State. . . .”

Mary: Do you see any benefits?

Aldous: If only all of us, and not only the inmates of the Woodland Road Camp, could be effectively filled, during our sleep, with love and compassion for all! No, it is not the message conveyed by the inspirational whisper that one objects to; it is the principle of sleep-teaching by governmental agencies. Is hypnopaedia the sort of instrument that officials, delegated to exercise author­ity in a democratic society, ought to be allowed to use at their discretion? In the present instance they are using it only on volunteers and with the best inten­tions.

But …any law or social arrangement which makes it possible for officials to be led into temptation is bad. Any law or arrangement which preserves them from being tempted to abuse their delegated power for their own advantage, or for the benefit of the State or of some political, economic or ecclesiastical organiza­tion, is good. Hypnopaedia … would be a tremendously powerful instrument in the hands of any­one in a position to impose suggestions upon a captive audience.

Mary: How well does hypnopaedia work?

Aldous:  It is interesting to compare reac­tion to placebos with the estimates made, in their own special field, by writers on hypnosis. About a fifth of the population, they tell us, can be hypnotized very easily. Another fifth cannot be hypnotized at all, or can be hypnotized only when drugs or fatigue have lowered psychological resistance. A manufacturer of hypnopaedic records has told me that about 20 per cent of his customers are en­thusiastic and report striking results in a very short time. At the other end of the spectrum of suggestibil­ity there is an 8 per cent minority that regularly asks for its money back.

One-fifth of every electorate can be hypnotized almost in the twinkling of an eye, one-seventh can be relieved of pain by injec­tions of placebo water, one-quarter will respond promptly and enthusiastically to hypnopaedia. And the slow-start­ing majorities, whose less extreme suggestibility can be effectually exploited by anyone who knows his busi­ness and is prepared to take the necessary time and trouble.

Mary: Should it be used?

Aldous: Is individual freedom compatible with a high degree of individual suggestibility? Can democratic institu­tions survive the subversion from within of skilled mind-manipulators trained in exploiting the suggestibility both of individuals and of crowds? To what extent can … the good of a democratic society be neutralized by education? How far can the exploitation of inordinate suggestibility by businessmen and ecclesiastics, by politicians in and out of power, be controlled by law?

Mary: Thank you, Mr Huxley. That was most informative.

Note: Aldous Huxley was mentioned in Gumshoe’s 2018 memorial of Anzac Day. And in

an article about the work of Steve McMurray, Julian Huxley was mentioned as having been ANU’s vice-chancellor in the 960s. Plenty of bad stuff went on.

If you enter the words “mind control” to Gumshoe’s excellent search engine, you will get many items including one by Danny Guest that skepticizes the 2017 Fort Lauderdale airport shooting.

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  2. also this just came into my inbox- ??!! this is on topic for me– my then husband and I went to see this –you see he was working at Larundel at the time —
    One flew over the cuckoo’s nest – Basketball game HD

    • My God, that is touching, Diane. I had assumed Nurse Rachet was “real.”

      Those patients should have killed her.

      I wonder how many lives, on average, get ruined by each psychopath. Usually their whole family, but this nut-job had a full ward to terrify.

  4. “In a surprise speech before the Committee to Protect Journalists, Meryl Streep revealed two instances where she herself was exposed to one-on-one violence. In one case she was beaten and played dead to escape her attacker. The other incident: she and Cher interrupted a woman being mugged.
    She related these incidents to the courage of women journalists, and the skills they must have in order to face the specific violence aimed at them:
    “….I was changed by these events on a cellular level because women do know something particular about coming to the danger place. We come to it disadvantaged through the many millennia preceding our present moment and because of our vulnerability we anticipate danger, we expect it. We’re hyper-alert to it, we have the 360 on the whole room. We have measurably more acute hearing, we have a better sense of smell, we notice details, what people are wearing, their tics and peculiarities.”
    Later, she heaped praise on those journalists working against totalitarian regimes (including, ahem, in the US):
    “Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you. You are the fourth estate, you are our first line of defense against tyranny and state-sanctioned news.”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/surprise-speech-meryl-streep-recounts

  6. • Tim Kelly and Cynthia Chung discuss The Tragedy of Huxley’s Brave New World


    Interlude:

    Just the other day, as I got into the car the radio came on before I could switch it to my audio reading. It was in the middle of a news bulletin.

    It was announced with serious enthusiasm and positivity (hope for all of humankind!) that some company in WA had won a big contract to work with the ?government to develop psychedelic drugs to be used in the treatment of mental health problems, apparently a recent growing concern that is baffling ‘Medical Experts’.

    In the same bulletin the ‘Experts’ believe that LSD may have a role to play in treating mental health issues which are on the rise.

    Looks this was old but current news …

    • Medicinal cannabis company Little Green Pharma gets green light for psychedelic drug production

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/psychedelic-medicine-licence-granted-in-wa/100441846

    Comment: The Plan – convince people that there is a virus and then force a ‘vaccine’ to poison them physically and mentally. Convince them that they are suffering mental illness then give them LSD and other ‘psychedelic drugs’ to fry their brains and ensure that they do in fact have the mental illness that they thought they had….

    FFS !!!
    Hats off to those who came up with this plan!!

    Source articles from Cynthia Chung …

    • Who Will Brave in Huxley’s New World: The War on Science and the 20th Century Descent of Man
    https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/who-will-brave-in-huxleys-new-world

    Part 1/3
    • Who Will Be Brave in Huxley’s New World?
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/10/17/who-will-be-brave-in-huxley-new-world/

    Part 2/3
    • The War on Science and the 20th Century Descent of Man
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/10/30/war-science-and-20-century-descent-man/

    Part 3/3
    • The Origins of the Counterculture Movement: A Gathering of Anarchists, Occultists and Psychoanalysts for a New Age
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/11/21/the-origins-of-the-counterculture-movement-a-gathering-of-anarchists-occultists-and-psychoanalysts-for-a-new-age/

    Also (?Part 4)
    • Huxley’s Ultimate Revolution: The Battle for Your Mind and the Relativity of Madness
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/12/11/huxleys-ultimate-revolution-the-battle-for-your-mind-and-the-relativity-of-madness/

    Related interview/discussion with Cynthia Chung
    • Aldous Huxley & Deep State Predictive Programming

  7. • Tim Kelly and Cynthia Chung discuss The Tragedy of Huxley’s Brave New World

    Interlude:

    Just the other day I got into the car and the radio came on before I could switch it to my audio reading. It was in the middle of a news bulletin.

    It was announced with serious enthusiasm and positivity (hope for all of humankind!) that some company in WA had won a big contract to work with the ?government to develop psychedelic drugs to be used in the treatment of mental health problems, apparently a recent growing concern that is baffling ‘Medical Experts’.

    In the same bulletin the ‘Experts’ believe that LSD may have a role to play in treating mental health issues which are on the rise.

    Looks this was old news …
    • Medicinal cannabis company Little Green Pharma gets green light for psychedelic drug production

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/psychedelic-medicine-licence-granted-in-wa/100441846

    Comment: The Plan – convince people that there is a virus and then force a ‘vaccine’ to poison them physically and mentally. Convince them that they are suffering mental illness then give them LSD and other ‘psychedelic drugs’ to fry their brains and ensure that do in fact have the mental illness that they thought they had.

    FFS !!!

    Hats off to those who came up with this plan!!

  11. We are constantly monitored, every phone call,
    e-mail and online posting is recorded as if each one of us are criminals. In reality, the demonic doing this to us are absolute criminals committing treason, stealing, sickening and murdering innocents in building their OWG global monstrosity.
    These serpents control all education and all mainstream, perverting our thoughts since birth.
    If you have to zip your tongue, rather than say what you think, then you know you are living in tyranny.
    They have built the scientific utopia with our blood sweat and tears.
    How long will this madness go on?
    It will go on as long as we permit it. They know a revolution is long overdue and that is why they’re brainwashing us to the point where we are incapable of thought. Replacing our precious heritage with fantasies while promoting those who contributed nothing to the building of this nation.
    They are turning the whole world into a prison for most, but utopia for the few, based entirely on satanism.
    What will happen with 5G insanity, destroying everything for money and power?
    Deception is the kraft in this secret war against all created, where honest small business is crushed by ruthless jackboots of corporate monopoly.
    The freedom of self sufficiency that was once a way of life has now morphed into communism and corporate fascism. Oz became a dictatorship after Port Arthur massacre not done by Martin Bryant.

      • Makow – “You Knew I was a Snake”

        We allowed a satanic cult, Freemasonry, affiliated with the banking cartel to infiltrate every social institution. “We corrupt in order to control (and destroy)” is their motto.

        “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in…”

        We allowed this corruption to spread to all the institutions necessary for the preservation and healthy development of society: government, the mass media, education, church, justice system, military, police.

        https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/10/you-knew-i-was-a-snake.html

    • Ant 56, this is not a joke. I ask you to do research on 5G and report it to us. Why? Because neither DM nor MM can get to it yet it is extremely important.

      You said (above): “What will happen with 5G insanity, destroying everything for money and power?”

      Signed/ MaxwellMaryLLB@gmail.com

      • “It disrupts the bioelectric system of the body which is really the brain, the nervous system, how the muscles talk…I measured it and drew up a report and I was immediately removed from service. You know, these people were elected by us to manage our infrastructure in a responsible manner. That is the sole purpose of government…and if it doesn’t do that it has no right…so we need to pull this infrastructure down, we really do, but in order to do that we can’t just be some violent domestic terrorist. You’ve got to bring this awareness to the people that these towers are doing them damage. You don’t need bandwidth that fast. And they’re not doing it so you can download movies quickly. They’re doing it so they can track every single thing you do and bring in their social credit system to control everything you think.”

        John Patterson
        Telecommunications Engineer, Sydney

        • Cameras are mounted everywhere and they’re all connected to metaverse central database, Gore Hill former abc, equiped with AI in order to analyse the data collected. Every move, transaction and communication monitored.
          As the CCP have done, the database can recognise every person even in a crowd of a billion. The same kartel that did it in China are doing it here now.
          Thirty years ago, this kartel moved all industry to China, where most there were still riding pushbikes, now they drive bmw’s. Similarly, today there are more cell phones than people, you couldn’t have said that ten years ago.
          5G is apocalypse for this planet, ‘smart’ devices are weapons enforcing the worst tyranny the world has ever known.

  16. Is anything really off topic
    http://usavsus.info/usA–Original13thAmend.htm
    Here’s “the original 13th amendment” which seems to have been designed to firewall US commoners from becoming regal or vice regal ( or v-v ) or perhaps even designed to stop lawyers from entering US governments. In any case, after trying to print his own money, Lincoln was shot and a few months later the amendment was reportedly changed and now it says: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” However this type of idea was already written in the Delaration of Independence, July 4 1776, about 100 years earlier.
    The notorious coup leader George Washington (a Virginian) was a notorious slave owner so perhaps African slaves were considered POWs since they were sold as such by victorious African tribes, to the traders frequenting West African shores.

    A bit more lying and denying from current government agencies just for evidence of duplicity (2 min)
    https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/fLyMEtu\
    On topic: So many people have already swallowed the official line ( and been injected too ).
    Why bother to think, school has taught them, they are too stoopid to fink.

  18. We are not told the truth ever. There have been no studies on the effects of 5G radiation. We are the guinea pigs. 5G requires millions of antennae, widely distributed, making it impossible to avoid high level exposures. The industry is estimated to be worth 20 trillion dollars and more, a very strong financial motive. Greed and eugenics have set us on a path to annihilation. They are going to cook us with lethal microwaves.

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