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Highland Park and Sandy Hook — How To Use a Rebuttable Presumption

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by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

Today was an especially happy day for me, July 4, 2022. It was my first walkabout in this campaign season — I aspire to the job of Congressperson from NH. I visited two small towns in the White Mountains. People spoke to me from the heart. One lady told me that she doesn’t know what to believe anymore. “First, Trump kept saying it was fake news, but now he’s the faker. So maybe it was never fake news….”

Oh dear. We can’t let this confusion continue. And by the time I got home, there was yet another shooting reported. At a Fourth of July celebration in Illinois, a group of people (in Highland Park, a wealthy suburb of Chicago) were gunned down. About an hour later, a friend of mine — code name Didgeridoo — sent me some photos of the event from a British newspaper (DailyMail.co.uk).

One of the photos shows a person’s foot stepping into blood. It is CLEARLY FAKE BLOOD. Stop right there. Halt! We need go no further, measuring up the various “believable versus unbelievable” particulars of the Highland Park case.

I propose that as soon as there is even one clue that would give pause to “a reasonable man,” we should presume an entire story to be deceitful.

Do I mean that we must then all agree to its being fake? Certainly not. I am employing a legal concept here, known as a “rebuttable presumption.” So, we start by PRESUMING that the killing was fake. But from there, anyone interested in showing it was real, can offer proof.

These days, the number of citizens that expect fakery is so high that, minutes after a new event is reported, there are skeptical comments written under it. In my recent book “Unreality: Sandy Hook Messes Minds,” I listed some extremely sarcastic comments that I found under YouTube videos about the Sandy Hook school massacre that allegedly took place in December 2012.

The Respectability of Conspiracy Theory

I hold a PhD in Politics and consider it respectable to be “a conspiracy theorist.” Political scientists are mandatorily on the lookout for the real motive behind governmental actions or policies. I have personally delved into enough cases of shootings or bombings to be able to boast to you that I can legally prove some of them to be fake.

My book “Inquest: Siege in Sydney,” about a December 2014 event, is the only book published on that subject, to date. There were so many holes in the Coroner’s Report that I felt obliged to submit to the court a list of 99 things that don’t add up. But here I will name just one. The bad guy was a Muslim — natch — who held a dozen or so hostages in a “locked” cafe from 9am to 2am. Thus, for 17 hours, the police allegedly couldn’t get in, and eventually two hostages died.

But look — after the first 6 hours, a cook escaped. He could have handed his “swipe card” to the cops, to let them go in and grab the baddy. Couldn’t he?

The fact that the police did not seek such an obvious way to stop the crisis tells me ALL I NEED TO KNOW. From that point on, I should have stated that it was a rebuttable presumption that the “hostage crisis” was being carried out as a trick on the public.

Note: I didn’t think to use the concept of rebuttable presumption until today, the Fourth of July! For years I have trod the delicate path of trying to show people how this or that behavior proves malfeasance of this or that personage.

I am the co-author of another Australia-based book “Port Arthur: Enough Is Enough,” about a 1996 massacre. So what is the “cook’s swipe card” in that case? I mean: what item is so insulting to the public that it should have been embraced immediately as a SUFFICIENT SIGN that the authorities were pulling our leg?

— and that the entire event (35 dead) was allowed to happen for a nefarious purpose?

There are dozens of items. I’ll choose the fact that a top military man declared that the kill-to-wounded ratio at Port Arthur could only have been achieved by an expert marksman. The accused, Martin Bryant, was anything but a marksman.

Note: I’m not saying we can never get past that issue and establish guilt. I am saying that we are big boys and girls now; we can see chicanery when it is staring us in the face. This should be the first thing we do: demonstrate our intelligence. Don’t accept nonsense.

When we state a rebuttable presumption (“The Sydney hostage crisis was a scripted event,” or “The deaths at Port Arthur did not occur by the hand of Martin Bryant”), we should then sit back and wait for the rebuttal.

The rebutter cannot ignore our specific find, and hop along to other parts of the case. She can’t divert the issue and try to persuade people of the broader theme — e.g., the Muslim in Sydney took hostages because he hates the way Muslims are treated in Iraq. She has to deal with our complaint.

She, the rebutter, has to be seen to interrogate police as to their failure to obtain the swipe card from the cook who escaped. (He wasn’t “on the loose” — he remained in police control for hours.) She must rebut our presumption that the whole deal was fake. In this Sydney case, she should have to rebut all of my 99 complaints! Why not?

Media’s Role

In today’s new killing in Highland Park, there was blood that does not look anything like blood. When my friend Didgeridoo sent me that photo, he noted that human blood does not turn that color, and it doesn’t glob into a mass like that. But wait — was it law enforcement that claimed that the blood in the photo is real blood? Possibly it’s just the newspaper that’s providing this evidence to us — by publishing it as part of the news.

Here is what a newspaper (or TV network) can do, to promote a false story:

It can make the whole event up, using the ordinary talent of fiction writers.

It can say that it got the data from “the police’ or “Washington” without even naming the name of that official.

It can question ‘random people on the street’ who are actually actors.

It can do relevant interviews with a professional, such as a psychiatrist describing the mental processes that may lead to mass murder.

It can show fake funerals. (The US military specifically talked about planning some fake funerals; see the 1962 “Northwoods Memo.”)

It can dwell on the emotional fallout of the event, via a bunch of human interest stories.

It can repeat the story, at first by saturation coverage and, later, by anniversaries.

It may arrange a full commercial movie, such as “Let’s Roll,” to further inscribe the event into people’s brains.

Granted, the media’s efforts would have to involve real police, mayors, etc — otherwise we would hear police yelling that the media was faking a story. Come to think of it, it may indeed be that media is the higher player, and causes underlings to play along. These underlings could be governors, hospital administrators, etc. Imagine that!

More traditionally, we have thought that officials first create a fake story and then get media to play along, but wouldn’t some media employees make a fuss by refusing to do this? They never do, though.

Acknowledgements

I thank two people for giving me my Fourth of July eureka about the rebuttable presumption. One is Didgeridoo, provider of the blood photo; the other is the NH lady who told me how bad it is that we have no way of knowing what to believe. She even said that she “doesn’t want to go on anymore.” Wow, I wonder if a majority of citizens feel that awful.

Of course I am also grateful to the many stay-at-home sleuths that have worked hard and endangered their lives to help the nation understand conspiracies.

I especially salute, posthumously, Elias Davidsson who appreciated my sharing with him the legal concept of “the reasonable man.” Davidsson’s work was remarkably thorough — he sought to disprove many allegations made against Muslims as “terrorists.”

Did Davidsson’s findings make kings kneel down and apologize? That’s asking a bit too much. Still, his writings are now part of culture. He was a layperson scholar of human rights, whose website juscogens.org is still online. The work he did is available in many books, including two about 9-11, one about supposed terrorist bombings in India, and one about a bus rampage in Berlin. You go, Elias!

A Little List

To repeat my new rule: When you see (as a hypothetical ‘reasonable man’ would see) that even one itty bitty element in an official narrative is a lie, you should venture to make a presumption that the case is deceitful in toto. Don’t let any other aspect of the story force you to accept the whole kit and kaboodle.

Dig your heels in and insist that the purveyor of the story rebut your presumption by producing evidence. “Hey, FBI, let’s see that globbed-up blood from Highland Park under a microscope. If we’re not persuaded of its authenticity, you lose the whole case.”

That was not my method for the last 16 years — I laboriously tried to elucidate the technical wrongdoing of prosecutors and judges.

Let’s look at a few things we could have jumped on as to the dishonesty of the “narrative.” Granted, many activists did jump on such things — all the way back to JFK’s assassination, but today I re-list them under the new approach.

I will call these items “the swipe card” of the day — each of them can stand alone to make a presumption that the official story can’t be true:

1995 — OKC bombing. Local police officer Terrance Yeakey found explosives in the building, and then he was murdered. Note: I think it’s all right to make a rebuttable presumption that any whistleblowers death is a murder, but we’ll save that for another day. For now, the finding of explosives in the OKC building is swipe card enough.

2001 — The crash in Shanksville, PA on September 11, 2001. The lack of plane parts visible to the eye is swipe card enough. Nota bene: citizens should not fall for put-offs like “We are not allowed to show you the plane parts.” Why the hell is it a secret? There is no reason to keep us from viewing the crash site when the government says it’s definite that this hijacked commercial flight (AA93) crashed in Pennsylvania.

2013 — Marathon bombing. “Hey, Boston medical leaders, tell us how Jeff Baumann was able to sit up, in a wheelchair, after losing two legs, and not die of blood loss. Come on, fancy doctors, Boston is the top medical city in the world, you can handle it!”

1996 — Massacre at the Port Arthur historic site. An employee of that site, Ms Wendy Scurr, saw the dead bodies and helped the wounded, but she was not allowed by the prosecutor to appear as a witness. “OK, Crown Prosecutor, you lose. We Aussies are not so stupid that we can’t see that your keeping Wendy out of court is proof of your chicanery. It’s the swipe card of the century. Oh, and by the way, we citizen-arrest you right now for obstructing justice.”

2012 — Sandy Hook (unreal) school shooting in December. Wolfgang Halbig has long since got the proof that food supplies for Sandy Hook school had been diverted to another location since September, indicating that the school had been closed and thus no students were in attendance. It was a ghost school, so to speak. All right, Newtown Police Spokesman Kehoe, let’s hear your explanation for the school closure. Or give us your proof that the food supplies did go to Sandy Hook — show us where Mr Halbig is wrong. Or just admit now that the entire shooting was fake — this may win you some leniency at your sentencing.

Anyone wishing to send me their fave swipe-card story, may do so to the contact page at my website: ConstitutionAndTruth.com. But please, no more that 100 words for each. And no photos for which the source is other than media or officials, as I would have no way to check out any personal photos or videos. You can observe my degree of fussiness in my book “Boston’s Marathon Bombing: What Can law Do?”

Clarification. When I say that an itty bitty clue makes you think the event is fake, I do not necessarily mean fake as in “did not happen.” Apparently, some fake shootings did not happen at all (perhaps Parkland School and the Orlando night club?) but the same rule applies where violence really did take place.

The finding of a clue may lead to a presumption that a big crime was committed. This is more serious than a did-not-happen event.  Bereaved relatives of actual victims can use the rebuttable presumption to say that a clue (e.g., Sec’y of Defense Rumsfeld’s refusal to release videos of the 9-11 crash at the Pentagon) means the story is fake, and so they could call for indictment of Rumsfeld for the murder of their relative.

I hereby say that the globby blood shown in the above picture tells me that the narrative of Highland Park’s Fourth of July shooting was scripted. Some person had to have delivered that glob to the scene in hopes of demonstrating real injury. Pure speculation makes me think, therefore, that there was no real injury. Yet seven persons are alleged to have died. OK, don’t let that allegation make you think that the matter is now barred to further inquiry.

We need a new, diplomatic phrase to use when approaching the hospitals, the families, etc. How about “Dear Sir, a citizen from West Ipswich, named John Smith, has made a rebuttable presumption that the Highland Park shooting did not happen in the manner presented by TV News. Mr Smith’s presumption, shocking as it may sound, calls for anyone to offer a rebuttal. Kindly help us by giving us some particulars. Mr Smith seems sincere, and it will help everyone, including you, if we can deal with this cordially. Thank you.”

Finally, here is my list of 99 things that don’t add up regarding the hostage-taking in the Lindt Cafe (aka the Sydney siege) in 2014.

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    • Thanks, Simon. Yeah, I’ve got it but I can’t figure out why it took me 16 years to notice it.

      Not that it can be “noticed” in law. It ain’t there, but could become a judicial “doctrine,” I suppose, when the good times come. Per the above article, I only mean it to be a confidence booster.

      If Nedski can translate it into Latin for us, I could try to pass it off as a law maxim….

        • The United States of Amerika/Amarka/Omorca’s ultimate objective is control of the whole world.
          It is time that this knowledge becomes common.

          Jer.51:7 “Babylon was a golden cup in the hand of God, making all the Earth drunk.The nations have drunk of her fermented wine therefore the nations are insane”.

          All of the different pagan gods are just different manifestations of Nimrod and his wife ( The Two Babylons- Hislop )

          From “Am,” “mother,” and “arka,” “earth,” you get “Amarka,” “The Mother of the Earth.”, alias Rhea, Cybele etc, The Mother of Gods and Men, alias the Roman Catholic Mary [the first Jesuits were Jews], the “queen of heaven” [Jeremiah 44:17,18,19,25], and most surely these manifestations which all represent Nimrods wife are represented by the “Statue of Liberty” in New York harbour. [ see note 1, p.77. The Goddess Mother of Habitation” – “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop.]

          and from the same book page 158 — The Golden Cup —- Revelation 17:4

          “……….Thus then the cup bearing goddess was at once Venus, the goddess of licentiousness, and Nemesis, the stern and unmerciful one to all who rebelled against her authority.

          http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-statue-of-liberty-and-statue-of-freedom-american-babylonianism/

        • Lobrador has stuck to his guns for around 15 years to my knowledge and earns the right to campaign for justice. It’s nice to know we have at least one ally.

  3. We are living in a vast web of fabrications and deceptions, that keep a small connected group of demons in power. Their sorcery conjures something from nothing as we groan under the shackles of debt, turmoil, war, disease and oppression. Everything we have been taught is constructed around lies perpetrated by these demonic serpents.
    The people we think run this planet don’t. They are pawns and puppets, serving the aliens in high orfices.
    These creatures are devoid of conscience, wickedly conniving and despicable. They are setting up a world system for satan to be worshiped. Their time is short, and if we don’t stop them the Almighty most certainly will.

  4. I maintain that the surreal quality of many “official stories” is largely due to the fact that law enforcement agencies almost always have a monopoly on what information does and doesn’t get released.

    But the assumption that a fatal shooting was “faked” on the basis that outright lies were superimposed on the circumstances thereof ????

    • The significance of the Lindt cafe siege goes to the fact that, 13 years earlier, the Aus government granted political asylum to a man on the basis of his outright lies, a man who was under investigation by Interpol and the Iranian police,and the fact that the Australian police did not extradite him despite several requests.[

      • “Monis was born in Borujerd, Iran on 19 May 1964.[11] He published a book of poetry, Inside and Out or Daroon va Boroon (Persian: درون و برون), in 1996 in Iran.[16][17] It did not sell well, which disappointed Monis. In the 1990s, Monis ran a company called Salehan-ë Amal (Persian: صالحان عمل), which he used to buy discounted tyres from the Iranian government and re-sell them on the black market. He also ran a charity scam to avoid paying tax.[18]

        In 2001, using the pseudonym Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi,[11] he claimed in an interview with ABC Radio National’s The Religion Report that he had been involved with the Iranian ministry of intelligence and security, and that his criticism of the regime and secret information he possessed had resulted in his persecution as well as the detention of his wife and children. During an ABC Radio interview, he claimed that his family’s detention was a result of views the Iranian government believed to be “dangerously liberal”.[19] David Ruteledge, the journalist who interviewed him, described this as “a little bit dramatic.”[12]

        Australia granted his request for political asylum that year.[20][21][22] He claimed that his request for asylum followed the detention of his wife and children by Iranian authorities after he espoused liberal views on Islam.[23] According to London-based Persian TV channel Manoto 1, he had fled Iran after taking US$200,000 of his customers’ money in his tourism agency.[24] According to Iran’s official news agency, he was under investigation by Interpol and Iranian police at the time he was granted asylum, and Australian police did not extradite him despite several requests.[25] Some commentators have expressed concern regarding this immigration and citizenship process.[26][27]

        Esmaeil Ahmadi-Moghaddam, Iran’s chief of police, told reporters that Monis had “a dark and long history of violent crime and fraud”[28] in Iran and had run a travel agency in 1996, before fleeing to Malaysia and then Australia. “It lasted 4 years to collect evidence on Manteghi [Monis]’s identification documents and we reported this to the Australian police but since Australia has no extradition treaty with Iran, they didn’t extradite him to Iran”.[28] He was protected from extradition by his refugee status.[29]

        Iran’s official Islamic Republic News Agency states that he was “under prosecution by the Interpol” and Iran provided information to the Australian government about his criminal record, mental and spiritual status. Despite this, he was granted asylum in Australia.[25] Iranian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham publicly questioned the decisions made by the Australian government after several discussions in which Monis’s criminal status in Iran was made “completely clear”.[25]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis

        • Not hard to figure out that the federal government remains wholly liable for what took place in December 2014

          But if anyone wants to “offer a rebuttal”………

        • Hey, Berry, that puts a whole new slant on the case and, finally, tends to explain evidence of an extraneous police agenda. Great sleuthing, mate.

          Meanwhile, one can see liberty and justice being dragged out into the eternal darkness, unless we fight for its rescue.

  5. Well, we had best put the pressure on France to take these globalists to court. I heard their system is Guilty until proven Innocent. What’s the chances??

    Anyway, I just thought I’d relay an incident I witnessed many years ago. A woman stepped off a bus and then stepped straight out onto the road to cross but unfortunately got collected by a car. She flew into the air, right in front of me, on the sidewalk, hit her head several times as she bounced to a stop. After stopping the traffic, I ran to her and picked up one wrist. Instead of a pulse, I felt an awful gushing as i watched her head bleed out onto the road from every orifice. DEAD. The blood spilled out into a thick pile about an inch thick and sat there like a blob as it set. Very red and very thick.
    Not something I have forgotten.

    I noticed too in the photo above the patch of spatter just in front of the main patch. I’m no expert but it could be real. The initial blast spatter and then the bleed out?? Obviously forensics could tell in a flash if it was real blood or fake, but the “real deal” is not a nice thing to come across, and blood IS actually quite red. From a woman’s perspective, we tend to see blood on a regular basis, and it doesn’t look like that in our undies, but this is mixed with other body excretions of tissue and white blood cells. Same with wounds as they actively scab over and oxidise to brown. But flowing blood is still red. Apologies to the men folk feeling squeamish.

    This is not to try to debunk your psyops, it is just an observation from my end. It brought back images of that horrid day.

    • Thanks, Metc, that’s the kind of rebuttal we are looking for. Similarly, in regard to Jeff Bauman’s leg, Eddy told us in a previous post that he witnessed a scene in WA where a woman’s leg got cut off by a train yet she did not even bleed.

      • Nice elevator music. Also a nice bit of pinch harmonics, but in my opinion Santana never rose above Abraxis. perhaps for that very reason that he sold out. There is nothing like betrayal to chase the muse away.

        A sad year… First Neil Young, and now Carlos. Which doen’t stop me hauling my Fender out a coupla times a week and playig their riffs until my fingers are ready to bleed. RIP.

        Joe Bogan, you never cease to amaze me.

  7. G5 on the cafe is a reality eye opener .
    Definitely a operation which includes WRONG munitions used .. idiot coppers>☠️

  9. Close-up video of NSW health officials Buzzard and sidekick mouthing the usual stoopid rubbish for dummies, but note these people look so unhealthy as if they are about to get heart attack and cancer and have no clue about good diet. They are somehow interpreted by the publisher as wanting to lock down the state of NSW again. If the Globalists can achieve this the government will probably be plausibly thrown out by the vote counters and then Globalists will have the excuse to install a communist red government in NSW, this would mean nearly all of Australia would be communist and co-operate to push forward their communist agenda, “you will own nothing”, “nanny state will take care of everything”, “your job will be meaningless and easy”, foreigners will come in to take the good jobs”, you will comply with all mandates”, “you will be totally controlled”, etc etc.
    https://truthtube.video/watch/who-s-ready-for-lockdowns-in-september_8yiq6PrFIqGPOZT.html

  10. OMG!! – I hadn’t even bothered to look at any articles or videos on this latest ‘shooting’ – then having watched several videos since this article was published, I can’t believe the poor quality of the crisis actors and their inconsistencies in the narrative. Winter Watch has a good analysis.

    ““First, Trump kept saying it was fake news, but now he’s the faker … “

    I must admit that I am a bit slow at times – always looking for the positive and never suspecting the sinister. (There was a time not so long ago that I didn’t suspect a thing regarding 911 – I regarded all Muslims (and Germans) with suspicion.) But now I realise that when these antihuman parasites talk about ‘attacking the virus’ and ‘eliminating the pandemic’, it is civilisation itself – the human race – that they regard as ‘the virus’ or ‘the pandemic’. Very clever use of ‘doublespeak’.

    • Trump – Encouraging The Herd To Inject Poison

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=K31HK3MN5KYM

    • Netanyahu’s Purim Video To Get Vaccinated

    https://archive.org/details/netanyahus-purim-video-get-vaccinated

    Netanyahu – “The vaccine’s purpose is to attack the virus”

    • Pfizer CEO Claimed Vaxx Was 90% Effective, Now Almost Useless

    https://archive.org/details/pfizer-ceo-claimed-vaxx-was-90-effective-now-almost-useless

    • Jewish Heroes Battling Covid: In Honor of 2022 Genesis Prize Laureate Dr. Albert Bourla

  11. It’s interesting how claims work for conspiracy theorists. For Sandy Hook, the lack of photos of blood is proof that it was fake. When there is blood, like the Boston bombing or that photo of Highland Park, the blood is fake.

    You want photos of blood, but when you get them, you say they the blood is fake.

    Halbig was sent several documents from Dean Foods, he thinks they prove food was delivered to another school. It actually proves they were not.

    This is the invoice he was sent:

    https://imgur.com/hCKQ55q

    Halbig only seemed to care about what was on the left. the created date and the address. What is on the right is what is important. It says it was modified on 1/2/13. The Sandy Hook kids started at Chalk Hill on 1/3. Since they were starting at a new school, the deliveries for the food had to be changed. Once the database was changed, as far the computer system knew, the address of Sandy hook was Chalk Hill. After the database was modified, anytime someone looked up Sandy Hook, the address would come up as Chalk Hill, not Dickinson.

    Here is another document Halbig was sent, he tweeted it in 2008.

    https://imgur.com/PDWM62b

    Dats 9/06/12. Address, 12 Dickinson Dr Sandy Hook.

    Lot of food for a school that supposedly was closed.

  12. “It’s interesting how claims work for conspiracy theorists. For Sandy Hook, the lack of photos of blood is proof that it was fake. When there is blood, like the Boston bombing or that photo of Highland Park, the blood is fake. You want photos of blood, but when you get them, you say they the blood is fake.”

    Bob, where’s your logic here? For Sandy Hook there is a lack of blood. That claim has nothing to do with any other event at which people have identified fake blood.

    Bob, have a look at the orangy-red blood in the Marathon photos of Boylsobn St. Do they strike you, as a layperson, as being the color of human blood? I mean conspiracy-theory aside, does it look normal to you?

    • The lack of blood at Sandy Hook has more to do with the blood being where the victims were, since the victim photos have never been released, the photos where you would see blood have never been shown. There is blood on Nancy Lanza’s bed, Fetzer’s book says its pomegranate juice. Of course, they couldn’t prove it’s juice though.

      My point is, in conspiracies people want evidence to prove something is real. But when they get the evidence, they just say it’s fake.

      Do you think that document above with the food deliveries to Dickinson in Sept 2012 is real? That’s good evidence the school was open.

      Here’s a link with close to 200 articles from 2008 to 2012 referencing the school.

      https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2016/08/25/sandy-hook-elementary-was-open-part-eleven-180-articles-referencing-sandy-hook-school-written-between-2008-2012/

      Some school documents from the same time frame.

      https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2019/09/10/sandy-hook-elementary-was-open-part-sixteen-school-documents-from-2008-2012/

      • Do you have any evidence Bob that could be used to convict Martin Bryant in a court of law beyond all reasonable doubt?

          • Im pretty sure Bob, you do have access to the internet. Im in Oz, but I still can find evidence that the whole 9/11 scenario is BS.
            I dont think intercontinental factors are such a big problem.

            Ill take your response as a no, then, that you have no such evidence, but it was a trick question really, because no such evidence actually does exist. a good enough reason for “conspiracy theorists” to surmise it didnt happen as per the official account.

            That and the fact that many many so called conspiracy theories about false flags etc, throughout history that have indeed turned out to be true and acknowledged as such.

            I tend to stop trusting people after ive found they have flat out lied to me once, let alone time after time after time. but Im a conspiracy theorist.

          • Evidence likely exists, it’s just that you choose not to believe it. Just like evidence exists that Sandy Hook was a functional school.

          • its likely youve never bothered to look into anything the liars tell you could be anything but the truth.

          • Prosecutor: “Evidence likely exists, your Honour.”

            Judge: “In that case, GUILTY! Life!”

            pretty much how it happened . and youre happy with that?
            why we cant have nice things.

          • I don’t know why you brought up that case anyway. My posts have been about the Sandy Hook reference in the article. Any comment on what I posted about Sandy Hook?

          • “It’s interesting how claims work for conspiracy theorists.”
            thats a pretty general remark no specific to Sandy Hook.
            The reason I brought up 9/11 & PAM are because of all the research Ive done into those cases that convince me of the lies.

            Ive not done the amount of research into Sandy Hook as others here have done.

            i will refer to one of your comments though.. about photos of blood.
            how can anyone be sure if blood is real or otherwise from a photo anyway?

            https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/holidays/halloween-ideas/how-to/a35075/how-to-make-fake-blood/

    • Like Roberts, I too grew up with guns. No biggie, they were just a piece of equipment that you had around the house. My Grandfather had a Winchester 30-30, loaded and next to the front door where it was handy if he needed it. No body ran around shooting others, it was unthinkable, only a crazy person would do that. – AND if he did, there were plenty of other people who were armed that would quickly put him down for his actions.

      Barry Liggins, a gunsmith, when he was 12 used to jump on a train in Sydney and go out to shoot rabbits near Richmond. Nobody freaked out with him carrying a .22 rifle on the train. On the way home he kept two rabbits for dinner and he sold the rest to commuters on the train. The stationmaster at Richmond used to get first choice on Barry’s rabbits. Barry soon learned to keep the largest rabbit in the top of the bag to give the stationmaster as he always wanted the largest rabbit.

      By the time I went in the Army I had significant shooting experience and the Army didn’t have to teach me to shoot. I shot expert with my first magazine in the M-14 and became the ‘designated shooter’ for our Basic Training Company. It was a different culture back then.

      The last sentence of Robert’s article asks who changed the culture, “Ask yourself who removed moral restraint from our lives and you will know the guilty party.”

  14. The FBI controls twitter
    https://nationalfile.com/twitter-routinely-hires-fbi-employees-expose-reveals/
    The FBI advises Pzifer
    https://nationalfile.com/video-pfizer-ceo-brags-about-getting-briefed-by-the-cia-fbi-on-the-spread-of-misinformation/
    The FBI organised the Jan 6 “lnsurrection”
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/06/09/rewriting-the-trump-presidency/
    FBI finds “no motive” in Las Vegas crowd massacre
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/29/us/las-vegas-massacre-fbi-investigation-ends/index.html

    As with the riot-pigs in Sydney and Melbourne, the way to kill the snake is to cut off its head.

  16. Oz has devolved into kleptocracy, a socialist tyranny and a spy state ruled by corrupt bloated government and a handful of corporations. Oligarchs employing the most talented liars (lawyers politicians and media stars) to hide their crimes.

    “There is one set of laws for the rich and another set for everyone else.”

    With a powerful enemy surrounding us on all fronts, those that don’t know this satanic system and its motivations are doomed to be deceived. No good can come from a system designed and enforced by the wicked, whose global gulag is built on lies, usury, thievery by speculation, false advertising, propaganda, poisonous and dangerous products, the murder of innocents and so on in disorder and chaos.
    Evil can never be good, satan hates everything God created and all the good things He gave us for free, that the wicked have treacherously seized for profit and control.
    With the help of the Almighty, our remaining work is to utterly destroy these satanic bastards.

  17. Continuing the conversation with Bob, which I appreciate. [+ u2, Fair D, of course]:

    “The lack of blood at Sandy Hook has more to do with the blood being where the victims were, since the victim photos have never been released, the photos where you would see blood have never been shown.”

    Bob, are you saying that it’s not possible for us to be given a picture of blood taken, say, 10 inches from one of the bodies, with no identity of the kid needed?

    And what exactty is your reliance on Amendment 14 all about?

    And if Halbig can be so simply proved wrong (by a document from the authority whom he is challenging), why — in your opinion — has he been treated so roughly — and impoverished, into the bargain?

    • Just saying the blood is fake is not proof of anything. It’s just your opinion.

      Halbig chose to do what he has done. He chose to say parents are actors, kids didn’t die. He was free to say those things, but the parents were also free to sue him if they feel they were defamed.

      Halbig sued a blogger several years ago, accusing the blogger of making fun of him. Halbig lost. Halbig seems to care about about free speech unless someone says something about him.

      http://www.sandyhookfacts.com/2015/08/wolfgang-halbig-violates-free-speech.html

      • Yes, yes, Bob, that’s my point exactly — “Just saying the blood is fake is not proof of anything. It’s just your opinion.” The same holds for my saying “The failure of police to obtain the cook’s swipe card is suspicious.”

        But it is only a guess, as I’m a citizen without any special means of interrogating the police as to why they did that. If I could interrogate, I might learn that they frisked him and found his swipe card — but it had expired. Or whatever.

        Of course in this article I am saying more. I am saying that after a few rounds of suspicious items (in the Sydney case, I had 99 of them), one ought to make a presumption that the entire event was staged. You can do this based on just a small oddity. “Mohd Atta wouldn’t have carried his Last Will and Testament in his suitcase type thing.”

        For the Boston case, I am not at all interested in the blood. I am deeply interested in the fact that the (so-called) Defenders led the jurors to think Jahar had pleaded guilty. That is so opposite of everything one expects from a defender that it requires
        explanation — I’m sure you agree with me on that.

        The blood situation was addressed by Dr Cesar Baruja, MD (he also said the blood in Officer Collier’s cruise car was not cricket) and by trauma surgeon Dr Lorraine Day — she says emphatically that the Boston blood story does not pass the test:

        https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/34vs8r/lorraine_day_md_former_chief_of_orthopedic/

        Come to think of it, this really is a major gap in our republic today — the experts, if they hold an opinion contrary to “what Walt wants,” can’t get heard in court or in Congress.

        God help us if this habit develops any further. It is soooo unAmerican. Do you agree?

          • its like you really believe all you have to do to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt is simply call someone a conspiracy theorist, and your job is done.

          • When it comes to Sandy Hook, proving people like Halbig and Fetzer wrong is not that difficult.

          • Halbig and Fetzer are not the only ones with questions.
            ive not seen any proof offerred by you that proves the official account beyond all reasonable doubt. – if its not that difficult, id have thought you might have led with something like that … ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • Since all of the Sandy Hook evidence has been released by the Connecticut state police, only they could say beyond a reasonable doubt. But, based on the evidence that is available, there’s no reason for me to believe anyone but Lanza killed those people.

          • “Since all the evidence has never been released, I meant to say.”
            👍

            but why? why has it not?
            justice, must be seen, or as Ned might say

            iustitia, videndum fieri

          • They’re never going to release the photos of the victims, especially the dead 1st graders. That’s the biggest piece of evidence that has never been seen.

  18. To Bob, this article says the Uvalde victims are complaining about delays in payment to them:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110147335/uvalde-shooting-victims-and-families-funds

    Do you know if Connecticut has any similar way of paying victims of crime?

    When writing my book “Unreality: Sandy Hook Messes MInds,” I mentioned that some of the bereaved sued Nancy Lanza’s insurance company (early on) and got compo. If there is also a public payout, I should have mentioned it, but did not know of such.

    The victims of 9-11 got more than one million dollars per family, which (if I remember correctly) was a product of Congress. It was administered by Ken Feinberg, who then also administered an amount to Marathon victims from an entirely private source called The One Fund.

    Now that it comes up, I am wondering if Masachusetts has a Victims of Crime arrangement and if so, did the 3 deceased, and the 264 wounded receive a payment.

    In Australia, there was a famous case in which a state paid Fiona Barnett $10,000 AUD as a victim of crime (abuse by her grandfather) which she was grateful for, as it sort of indicated that the state recognized the reality of what happened.

  19. Fair Dinkum linked us above to “how to make fake blood.”

    Good God, Fair, where do you get this stuff:

    “Looking for a last-minute Halloween costume or an easy Halloween craft idea before trick-or-treating? Whip up a batch of fake blood to really up the scare factor. … Even if you don’t have time for an elaborate Halloween costume, a little fake blood can go a long way in turning your average getup into something truly frightening.

    “Whether you intend to use it for your ghoulish makeup or to add some bloody handprints to your Halloween decorations, get ready to roll up your sleeves and make as many buckets of blood as you please.”

  20. This item about 9/11 is only for those who have time to read it. i am placing it here with my “Rebuttable” essay to show that I am very willing to bend when I get new information. Bob gave us the metabunk link as folows:

    https://www.metabunk.org/forums/boston-marathon-bombings.27/

    One of its commenters debunks the Norman Mineta thing (well known to Gumshoers), by saying that the words were taken out of context. That is, just before Mineta’s famous remarks, Lee Hamilton stated that the “orders” being spoke of were ORDERS FROM PRESIDENT BUSH TO SHOOT DOWN commercial aircraft.

    Furthermore, that planes had been scrambled from Langley (I have never heard that mentioned, have you?), and that bit of the conversation was omitted [by “CT’s”, of which I am one]. Watch:

    9/11 COMMISSIONER LEE HAMILTON: I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president and we had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists. Were you there when that order was given?

    NORMAN MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane (was) coming in to the Pentagon. There was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the order still stands. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” Well, at the time I didn’t know what all that meant. And…

    9/11 COMMISSIONER LEE HAMILTON: The flight you’re referring to is the one…

    NORMAN MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon. And so, I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place and that in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president then at the time I didn’t really recognize the significance of that. And then, later on, I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away.

    ——MARY MAXWELL: I DUNNA KNOW WHAT TO SAY. (JULY 8, 2022)

  22. mike west from “metabunk” on the Port Arthur Massacre..

    “Read the actual accounts of the shootings? Most of the shootings were at very close quarters, and no marksmanship was needed. But Bryant had possessed an AR-10 for three years prior to the shooting, and having a low IQ is hardly something that prevents shooting accuracy. ”

    thats the best hes got.. so debunked!
    he obviously hasnt read a fraction of the accounts of the shootings.

    he also debunks chemtrails.. when all he has to do is bloody well look up. pffft

  23. Sandy Hook: US State-Fabricated Terror
    December 30, 2012 NK
    8 comments

    https://terroronthetube.co.uk/2012/12/30/sandy-hook-us-state-fabricated-terror/

    “………..Where are the bodies? There are no pictures of kids shot. Paul Vance, the Connecticut State Police spokesman, said that the “victims’ bodies were removed from the school overnight” and that detectives “were able to positively identify all of the victims and make some formal notification to all of the families of the victims.” Ken5.com/new It is alleged that parents would not want to see the bodies, it might upset them too much! Same BS as for 7/7. There is ‘not one photo of any blood on the floor, walls, doors, anywhere. not one photo of it. not one’ – D.C.

    (The kids shot were either all or nearly all Jewish: ‘This part of CT is fundamentally a jewish enclave with very very few goyim families due to the real estate values in the area.’ The funeral footage showed ‘yarmulke’s every one of the mourners. even a jewish funeral home’ – D.C.). There were (D.C. recalled) not more than two goyim children amongst the alleged victims.

    Conjecture – People have conjectured that Israel-Mossad was involved, but there is no evidence for this: ‘The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel.’ – Jim Fetzer.

    Purpose of the Event: It has been followed by a massive propaganda campaign to promote gun control and the confiscation of assault weapons, followed by surprise censorship for pro-gun accounts: “Facebook purges pro-gun accounts” posted on Fuk Facebook and “Facebook purges pro-gun accounts” on inforwars.com:’ See DC’s “Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War”.]

    Sources used: “Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook?” “Sandy Hook: Huge Hoax and Anti-Gun ‘Psy Op’” (JF) Sage comments by ‘Jim Stone’: Mike Powers on the ‘Power Hour show.

    A laconic comment from DC: ‘First, he shot 26 people, then himself, then, while dead, he walked out to the car, locked the gun in the trunk, returned to the school, waited for police, was arrested, taken out in cuffs, put on the lawn, though he had been dead for some time. One person, split in at least two, resurrected twice. Two pistols on him, three guns locked in the car. Sure, it makes sense to me.’

    Read on –

    • The problem with that link is that is was barely two weeks after the shooting, the investigation was still going on. It was almost a year later the report came out. The person who wrote the article did not have all the info yet.

      Once the report came out, it was known Nancy Lanza did take Adam to shooting ranges.

      Part of a statement from a man who shot with Adam.

      https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/img/adam_range.jpg

      • “THE REPORT” lol – THE lol REPORT!
        checked out the NIST report at all?
        bigger than sandy hook – 9/11

        they did a report too. and still to this day, officially, they – like you – have no idea.

        and theres been no criminal investigation to find the culprits, it all relies on GWBUSH pointing in osamas direction saying.. yeah.. it was him, man..

        anyway.. – two decades later.. theres finally been a proper scientific study, the only one.. and it shows, the official account is bullshit.

        so.. if they lied about that.. why the heck, would you trust anything they say?

        i wish you and yours, all the very best 🙂

      • Based on the evidence available there’s no reason to doubt what happened at Sandy Hook. Evidence, what Fetzer, Halbig and other’s have presented is their opinion or speculations. Just saying the blood on Nancy Lanza’s bed is fake is not enough. Just saying the school looked old and therefore was closed, is not enough. Just saying someone is a crisis actor is not enough.

        If it were a court case, the state police could present all their evidence, including the photos if necessary. Parents could show all the kids report cards, lass photos, etc. All the school records from 2008 to 2012, test scores, etc.

        What Fetzer, Halbig and others have really would not work in court.

  24. Bob, just saying that the information put up that the incident never happened, is not enough. Nor that saying we should believe the msm story of the so-called event is enough.

    How about dong your own research and then supply us with any real evidence that the event happened as we were told.

    My own evidence contrary to the official narrative is that the school had been closed for five years prior to the event.

    • “My own evidence contrary to the official narrative is that the school had been closed for five years prior to the event.”

      What is that evidence?

        • The idea that the school had been closed prior to the shooting came about first because of the Wayback Machine allegedly showing no internet activity for the school since 2008.

          But if you look at the other Newtown school, they all had the same Wayback Machine results from that time frame.

          https://imgur.com/tdGJdua

          Either every Newtown school closed in 2008 or it could be something simple like the school system changing URL’s.

          Here is the result for Sandy Hook with a different URL.

          https://imgur.com/pUP0GcT

          In that one, there is activity in 2010 ’11 and ’12.

          • whats in it for you Bob? do you go around the interwebs “debunking” , lets say, flat earthers as well? or is it just articles about sandy hook where people have questions about the official account – that you have a need to show everyone how mistaken they are by giving them regurgitations of the official account that they are questioning to begin with, to prove to them how mistaken they are?

            why would you even care if people believe the earth is flat, the moon has never been visited, or anything else? – if there was proof.. of any alleged false flag.. that would settle the case once and for all.. it would bloody well be put up.

            if there is no such proof.. to put up….

          • veering off topic? i didnt know i was obligated to respond to anything in any particular way, dictated by yourself.. while being perfectly on topic.

            do i have any comment on the post i replied to?
            yeah… duh.. you bloody well replied to it.. the comment i made!

            reading comprehension not your forte?

            my response was.. you have nothing new.. you come here trying to sell me what i have already refused to buy because the product doesnt meet minimal expectations.

            do you have anything to tell me that i have not already heard before? if so, please do, otherwise.. i dunno, go try find someone who cares?

            youd make a good journalist actually – youre doing the same job.

            carry on.

  25. “Rebuttal Presumption” of Port Arthur killings by Martin Bryant. Neither the police nor prosecution provided finger print or DNA evidence to connect Martin Bryant with the food tray used by the gunman, even though a witness provided a detailed statement of the killer’s tray of food and drink. The tray was still place where he left it on top of his camera the next day as per police video.

  27. what sort of a world would we have – if no one ever questioned anything.

    and what sort of world do we have – where asking questions is a bad thing?

    oppss.. sorry.. two questions

    • Asking questions is a good thing to do, but those asking questions should also be willing to accept answers.

      People who believe in conspiracies should also be asking questions of their fellow conspiracy theorists. When someone claims that a person is a crisis actor, don’t just accept it. Ask the person making the claim for proof.

  28. Last month Fetzer debated a woman named Rebecca Carnes. Carnes lives in Newtown and had kids going to a another elementary school at the time.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/mO89HYSUSbni/

    At about 00:20:00 Carnes shows a 2009 Sandy Hook yearbook. He doesn’t really comment on it, just says he wants to see photos of bake sales.

    Then at 1:21:00 a friend of Carnes appears. The friend says Fetzer is wrong about the school being closed. She says her kid was going there in 2009. At that point, Fetzer gets quite angry, he really doesn’t like to be told he is wrong.

  29. Some of the Japan media were putting about the story that the Abe shooter was aggrieved by a religion Abe belonged to which took his mother’s money. But another report was saying he was incoherent. But perhaps I heard that on Alex Jones !!! And we all know AJ as a notorious conspiracy theorist, calling even 9-11 a DeepState stunt long before the public was ready to know. As AJ has been debunked for 20 years now, and he was told to shut up about Sandy Hook, it follows that all mass shooters must be psychiatric lone wolves with no possible DeepState affiliations. Just remove all the conspiracy “nuts” and the DeepState issue will go away … but the massacres won’t until the guns are removed. Here in Western Australia gun items have been popping up on the news, we will know it is getting serious when they start doing extremely grisly crimes with their chosen and conspicuous weapon, a gun. If this continues, we can assume they are protecting the cops and riot-pigs from anticipated civilian self-defence. Farmers especially to be moved off their land by Globalist plans. WA got a new police commissioner about a week ago, the previous one told us in his last days that they had lost (from memory) 340 officers who would not be injected. The official story is that they went to work in the mining industry. The actual numbers to do so were 1 /340.

    • The old police commissioner got moved to State Governor so maybe there’s hope. I wonder if he is “autonomous” like the Victorian governor or if he answers to QE2 / Charles the 3rd.

      • According to google
        “The Governor is appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Premier. The Governor acts on the advice of the Premier, Ministers and Executive Council. The Governor’s role is broad and includes: Constitutional responsibilities.”
        Maybe we will get our own dismissal one day, as the local vested interests reject McGollum’s communist party.

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