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Australia’s Anti-China Rhetoric Has Profound Implications

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(L) Port of Shanghai, and (R) Peter Hartcher

by James O’Neill*

The mask of racist xenophobia is rarely far from the face of Australian attitudes to Asia in General and China in particular.  Occasionally the mask slips in spectacular fashion, and never more than in the Sydney Morning Herald’s “international editor” Peter Hartcher’s piece in that newspaper’s edition of 20 April 2020.

The ostensible cause of Hartcher giving vent to his feelings about China was the remarks by China’s ambassador to Australia Cheng Jingye.  Jingye was responding to the call, by Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Foreign Minister Marise Payne, to allow an inquiry into the alleged origins of the Covid-19 virus in China.

According to Hartcher’s view, China does not have a government that is supported by the overwhelming majority of its people.  Instead it is a “regime” whose defence of its sovereign rights is, according to Hartcher, “just hilarious.”

The reporting of the current pandemic in the western media has been a mixture of scientific ignorance and blatant anti-China propaganda. The facts always come a poor second to the desire to make a political point.

As is increasingly the case in the Sydney Morning Herald, especially since its takeover by the Nine network of companies, Hartcher seems entirely oblivious to the scientific research that has been undertaken in such journals as The Lancet and the US publication The Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Sciences.

The scientific literature whose facts never trouble Hartcher’s bigotry, shows quite clearly that the current epidemic is at least the fourth version of a virus that periodically envelopes the world. Further, the scientific research clearly shows that there are at least three variations of this disease, with different strains appearing in Asia, Europe and North America.

The evidence is now clear that the United States intelligence agencies were aware of the Chinese version as early as November 2019, and alerted their NATO allies, plus Israel, at the time, but not the Chinese government.  The latter only became aware of the virus strain in December 2019 and promptly alerted the W.H.O.

Hartcher makes a great deal of what he clearly sees as a reasonable request by Australian Foreign Minister Payne for an investigation into China and the virus. He quotes Payne as rejecting “any suggestion of economic coercion “ in making such a request of China.

To borrow Hartcher’s phrase in quoting the Chinese government’s response to this assault on their sovereignty as “just hilarious”.  For an alleged “international editor “ Hartcher is remarkably selectively blind to the transgressions of other nations in the world, such is his antipathy toward China.

One will search the writings of Hartcher in vain for any criticism of the United States for its remarkable and unprecedented war-mongering in the post World War 2 period. China has had some border disputes with its immediate neighbours over the past 70 years, but this utterly pales into insignificance when one looks at the US record over the same period.

The US writer William Blum has documented the United States’ belligerence around the world in his 2004 book aptly titled “Killing Hope.” Blum documents over 50 US interventions in different countries around the world which have been the subject of US military and political action.  The usual objective is “regime change “, either through coups, military invasion or economic and political warfare.

Since Blum’s list was published, one can add Afghanistan (2001), still there after 19 years; Iraq 2003; (still there after 17 years); Libya (still there after 9 years); and Syria (still there after 5 years).  It hardly needs to be said that none of these invasions had any legal basis. Earlier this year the Iraqi parliament passed a resolution demanding that uninvited troops leave their country. The Americans and the Australians simply ignored the demands of the sovereign Iraqi government.

It hardly needs to be added that Australia has been a willing accomplice to all the US’s wars of aggression, starting with Korea in 1950 and continuing to the present day in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. The UN sanctioned agreement of the major powers with Iran was simply abandoned by Trump and constant illegal sanctions and other pressures applied to that country. If Australia has ever protested about this utterly lawless nation wreaking havoc around the world, I must have missed it. Certainly no criticism of this conduct has ever appeared in the writings of Hartcher.  This is the man with the temerity to suggest that with China “there is no goodwill, only gangsterism.” One seriously questions what planet he inhabits.

Hartcher also quotes the Chinese ambassador as indicating that Chinese importers of Australia’s exports, students and tourists might take their business elsewhere. There is no doubt that were China to apply such sanctions, as it is legally entitled to do, the effects on Australia would be catastrophic.

China accounts for over a third of Australian exports, taking three times as much as the next largest country, Japan.  China is also the largest source of foreign tourists, the largest source of foreign students and the third largest source of foreign investment.

Hartcher says that Australia must “diversify its risk” as an “urgent imperative “.  Hartcher wisely does not attempt to identify those countries that will provide the “diversity”.  The fact is they do not exist and are unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future. It is little wonder that Australian business groups have been notably absent from being linked to Hartcher’s irrational tirade.

Hartcher’s polemic against China would be, to borrow his term, “just hilarious “ were it not so ignorant, ill-informed and devoid of any recognition of the factual situation surrounding the current pandemic. Were one to replace the word “China” where it appears in his article with “United States “ it would begin to bear some proximity to reality. Unfortunately Australia, and its newspaper’s “international editors “ have totally lost any vestiges of common sense and proximity to reality.

As China’s ambassador warned, there is a price attached to such unrelenting hostility and Australia will soon learn the hard way precisely what that cost is.  They will have only themselves to blame.

*Barrister at law and geopolitical analyst. He may be contacted at jamesoneill83@icloud.com. 

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  2. I have to agree with you James. It is amazing that Oz would talk to China so rudely. According to “SYDNEY – Australian Foreign Minister Marise Payne has cautioned China against attempts at “economic coercion” as Australia pushes for an investigation into the coronavirus pandemic that China opposes.”

    How can you “caution” a nation to not play its trade card? And I agree with you, James, that Hartcher’s prattle is truly embarrassing.

    Still, I suspect it is all a game and, if so, China may well be playing its part. As you know, I hold that all nations, oops I mean their governments (gangsterized or not), are puppets. One puppetmaster runs the whole show.

    About a week ago, Pompeo started to talk menacingly about China. Surely he knows that this is not cricket. Anyway it was so false-sounding (like Maduro running narco-terrorism). Then, hours later, everybody else over there in America (oops I mean over here; half the time I don’t know where I be) started to use the same Talking Points.

    Could be a build-up to war. What a thought! I guess what is needed is people-to-people contact.

    James, do you pay real money to read The Australian? Or is it all for free? Not worth a cracker.

  3. James, wouldn’t the proper retort from Jingye be “We’d like you Seppos to initiate a study of the North Carolina origin, or the Fort Detrick origin, of COVID”?

    But they would never say that, as they would not open this can of worms. Bedfellows, all.

  4. There are no nations any more. Just different coloured jerseys, but the game remains the same.
    It is the beast system, Serco with CCP sharing the spoils of victory and zio kabal counting the money with the 99% about to be fleeced to the bone.

      • I keep saying the same thing but nobody listens:
        Drop the good-guy/bad-guy narrative and quit thinking like a victim

          • that sounds a bit harsh for the millions of genuine victims of our never ending aggression based on lies against people that were never a threat though..

            it does appear also, that the more it goes on, we really dont give a stuff about any victims, which really does make us the bad guys.

          • Thanks berry,
            I think I understand what you mean by “identifying with victim-hood” now, as not to mean there are no legitimate victims, but rather identifying as a perpetual victim,

            like modern israel for example.

            its my way of thinking that goodies & baddies are polar opposites too, and far from being a narrative, are a palpable reality.

            FWIW – I consider you a goodie with a full cup of compassion.

      • I have an idea what could be done – tell Mr. Hartcher that the patent for COVID is owned by the British Institution called Pirbright Institute, heavily sponsored by Mr. Gates and some more, e.g. US DARPA, probably WHO. An old patent for the older version was owned by CDC of the US. Mr. Gates now established a company in Germany to develop a vaccine. His business plan is a two step one: 1. release virus, 2. sell vaccine. A good one from his point of view – Mr. Hartcher should be able to appreciate that..

  5. I believe there are many layers of realities at play. Do you believe the Rothchilds/baking families have infiltrated the Chinese government? There must be agenda’s in layers working with banking, givernments, militaries, corporations all trying to feed from “planet nest”. One must consider that the average public in each country has little say or value.

    Is all this just “bluster”? And meant to keep us unaware of what is really going on.

    • Before it’s News – The Hidden History of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia. I’ve just typed it in and you get a video. I have seventeen pages of it that I printed off a few years ago. Kevin Woodman.

  6. This global system is a triumvirate of freemasonry communism and kabala. It’s Achilles heel are feet of clay. Only opposition is the Catholic faith. Jesus gave all the teachings with two simple laws. St.John and all the prophets proclaimed His truths.
    All we can do is have faith and rebuke the impostors at any confrontation. Gandhi gained independence, for Indians, without firing a shot because their numbers were overwhelming for the occupiers to handle. We are in a similar position with Jesus in our hearts and the Holy Spirit within all believers.
    As was in Rome, the triumvirate days are numbered.
    We are here for a time but our actions are eternal. Pray for peace love and goodness for men/women kind everywhere.

  7. James wrote – ‘The mask of racist xenophobia is rarely far from the face of Australian attitudes to Asia in general, and China in particular.’

    If that sentence applies in a general sense, then you have also offended many Australians who do not share your perception about Australian attitudes to do with Asia in general, and particularly China.

    There are ‘racists’ in every land on Earth, but to target your own kind for special mention is a bridge too far James.

    And If you only see a threat to undo entirely, our economy, by the Chinese Ambassador, who by the way, also breached diplomatic protocol by spewing his threat to the lying media, as simply a ‘response’ to a reasonable request for the Chinese Communist government to initiate an investigation into the Wuhan virus, a virus that suddenly appeared in the Wuhan market during the latter days of November last year – and I have reliable sources – then you have no real understanding of exactly what is at play within current geopolitics.

    ScoMo had every right to carpet that ambassador and then expel him!

    You then, instead of expanding on why you believe that China has no case to answer concerning the release of the Wuhan virus, tear into U.S. and Australia’s role in international military adventurism, an imperial policy that came to an end with Trump’s inauguration as President in 2017, it seems, as a counter to what you perceive China to represent without providing any real example for your perception – China has done more over the past two decades to other countries than simple border clashes, while the U.S. has ceased such invasive policies.

    So, why apologize for China that is governed by a centralized system of government that rides roughshod over its population? Have you not considered that if you were a Chinese citizen and you had written this article to attack your own country, as you have written here, you would not be writing another?

    Are you truly that naive, or do you willfully ignore that possibility?

    The Chinese government has been attacking the Trump administration ever since Trump slapped those tariffs on their poorly made products. What makes you believe that China were not already aware of the virus problem, even before the Trump admin were, and that they would accept American ‘intelligence’?

    You quote Blum, but only to suit your agenda – whatever that is – and if you had truly studied the position of those Iraqi parliamentarians who recommended to their president that all allied troops needed to leave Iraq, you would have also noted that many of those who voted for such withdrawal are on the Iranian payroll.

    Any decision within the Iraqi parliament always rests with what the president wants, not what some bribed politicians demand.

    You point out, and rightly, what a catastrophe it would be economically for this country, to have China close down much of what our economy is now based on – reliance on just one country, and a Communist controlled country at that, that has so much control over its own citizenry, that it feels it can turn off like a tap, whatever has made many of its own people quite wealthy. Has that aspect to China not concerned you at all – it does me.

    No government should ever be in a position to be able to control its own that people that way!

    This country used to make everything that we required, the only imports needed were specialist oils and technology not available here because of our low population. We have been very foolish to put all of our eggs into the one basket forcing us to be reliant on a country that operates on how those it deals with treat them. We need to become self-reliant again, and it will happen, its just a matter of time.

  8. James,
    I am going to comment in regard to your observations in the following G5 article.
    Matter for you.
    BTW way Nemisis, amazing, we may agree!

  9. Speaking of “just hilarious”

    Remember how Christopher Pyne laundered $50bn (now up to $80bn) from the oblivious Australian public to “keep us safe”?

    I just searched on “christopher pyne submarines” and saw this amongst others …

    ‘Hold their feet to the fire’

    “Former defence minister Christopher Pyne has blasted Naval Group for refusing to say how much work local firms will get …”

    “Feb 14, 2020 – Former defence minister Christopher Pyne has blasted Frances … on the 80bn Future Submarines, calling on the Morrison government to hold …”

    I could not read on because I would not pay 50 cents to read that rag.

    And G5 says only Russia can save us … I can’t take any more of this hilarity

    Great article James – erudite and balanced as always.

  10. Nemesis at it again , repeating msm / CIA sound bytes like ‘ Wuhan virus ‘ etc.

    Obviously, you haven’t been reading the stories posted by reliable sources like the Unz Review & even right here on Gumshoe that overwhelmingly suggest a U.S bioweapon attack .

    If you’re going to call it anything then it should be the Ft Detrick virus .

    Yes, we’re all aware that it has spread all over the world & that the U.S has more fatalities (allegedly anyway ) .

    ( You would do well to heed the words of Terry Shulze who said that , once infected China made sure that COVID-19 would find it’s way back to the U.S who would be served a double dose ).

    Terry said : ‘ Pay back is a bitch ‘ .

    In any event, the U.S perpetrators knew the virus would spread world-wide & affect their own country. That was always part of the plan – elimination of useless eaters / de-population agenda / divert the attention of the masses away from the imminent economic implosion.

    Do you really think the oligarchs that rule the U.S care any more about the U.S COVID deaths than they did about the 3000 of their fellow countrymen that they sacrificed on 9/11 ?

    As for your allegation that it was foolish of Australia to put all our eggs in one basket & become reliant on China , this was not a ‘ conscious choice ‘ .

    Australia is a giant quarry. We dig it out of the ground & sell it to the highest bidder.

    That highest bidder was for decades Japan. Then, when China’s manufacturing capacity usurped that of Japan , it then became the great manufacturing giant on planet Earth.

    Wake up to the reality of the world. The U.S has not been a manufacturing goliath for decades.
    To the extent that it has the highest GDP in the world is courtesy of financialised fluff which masks the house of cards fraud foundation of the actual U.S economy.

    The U.S is a HAS-BEEN .

    Coupled with the belligerent & maniacally murderous foreign policy of the U.S , this is all the more reason for Australia to be making conciliatory overtures to China & establishing closer relations with the Chinese.

    • Truth – catch up time for you – The virus originated in the Wuhan Lab ‘Q’ has listed the money going into that Lab from many foreign sources, the standout being, non other than Dr Fauci who donated 3.7 million dollars, and is, or now was, a regular visitor to that location.

      But, then again, you would already know that if you followed ‘Q’ which is the greatest military intelligence operation of our time.

      You don’t question why the Chinese government would play the good cop bad cop routine against its trading partners simply for suggesting that the origins of the Wuhan Virus be investigated?

      What is there in Wuhan that needs to be hidden from an inquiry?

      Your lack of critical thinking is showing!

      You also seem to believe that only the United States developed bio-weaponry?

      And by quoting Terry, who is not a ‘Q’ follower, do you believe that he has all that should be known on the Wuhan virus? I’m not privy to all that should be known, are you?

      You’re suggesting that signing onto the Lima Declaration was not a conscious choice by those who did so? You wouldn’t consider them as traitors, as I do?

      Australia is not simply a quarry – if that were the case the Chinese would not have invested heavily in buying up most of our water, food and rare earth mineral resources – you actually believe that dealing with a Communist government is good for this country? Your outlook is very similar to what James has written on, all praise on China the aggressor, while Australia is denigrated for its past and stripped of its assets.

      You either are very naive, willfully ignore that, or just don’t care!

      I’ve been awake for decades as to how the West has been willfully stripped of its manufacturing and vital assets that has put us all into nearly pegging level with third world countries, that you seem to miss, or just omit form exploring. Trump is fully aware of what has been occurring, perhaps you may visit a video still doing the rounds on youtube when Trump was interviewed by Oprah Winfrey back in 1985 – I think you would find what Trump speaks of as quite enlightening as to his knowledge of geo-politics and unwanted and destructive agendas designed solely to reduce the west into just another easily controlled third world bunch of non nation status countries.

      Then again, you may have to learn something that doesn’t quite fit in with your perceptions, however, the choice is yours to make.

  11. what is missing from truth vigilante and nemesis both, is the us-china cooperation on bat viruses.

    the american press has been covering this, but not a word in the vassal state.

    is it because it has been the right-wing daily telegraph that mentioned csiro geelong for the first time i recall in australia in this corona context, …… that the abc and other luvvie outlets are running with the anti-china finger-pointing version?

    two chinese bat virus researchers have spent time at geelong, one apparently no fewer than three years 2011 to 2014 for his doctorate. the other one more recently, bats were imported to geelong from queensland for study purposes.

    i had been wondering all these weeks why the video of the interview with prof. francis boyle alleging development of this virus at uni north carolina and csiro geelong, he specified which parts of the virus were altered where, was gettng no traction.

    where are all the aust. scribblers and bimbo blonde mike holders besieging csiro geelong to get a story.

    i currently believe in an accidental release at wuhan lab of a virus co-developed by us and china and aust. but was this only a gain of function altered virus or an attempt at an aids vaccine or both.

    • It strikes me as far more likely than not that the U.S./Aus vs. China squabble is nothing more than a concocted distraction

    • Duns Scotus – I mentioned Dr Fauci and his visits and donations to China, perhaps you would care to look up what exactly he was involved in, and for decades? – Fauci does not represent the United States, but the Globalist/Deep state that Trump is currently dismantling. However, whatever occurs in China, the Communist government is fully aware of!

  12. The deaths of heaps of microbiologists worldwide twigged my interest years ago, that something was up.
    My interest really commenced with the strange death of a Mr Van NGOUYEN in Gelong, Victoria Australia.
    Per the police report; he walked into a sealed poisonous room at the facility.
    He is in the list linked hereunder.
    WARNING, It is a very long list.

    !http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/what1s-the-connection-between

    The internet regarded the occupation as one of the most dangerous for some years.

    • Well the guy from W.H.O. came out this morning on MSM and said the virus was not engineered, so automatically I must assume this is a lie, and to prove it is a lie, I can say, how can they know or absolutely rule out that it was not engineered, answer, they can’t.
      Like the computer viruses, these could be extremely effective ransomware.
      Like the ancient cultures (and not so ancient), all they wanted was lots of slaves.
      There seems to be these megalomaniacs lurking everywhere.
      Did slaves ever come up with great inventions or artworks ? I’m not sure

      • “and to prove it is a lie, I can say”

        while I agree that this current crisis is quite possibly a nefarious act of biological engineering, your anonymous unqualified “i can say” actually proves nothing.. it wont help me in convincing anyone of a contrary opinion to simply say… well bg said so…

        next..

        “Did slaves ever come up with great inventions or artworks ? I’m not sure”

        well perhaps if you had spent three seconds on the google machine.. you could be more sure…

        https://theconversation.com/americas-always-had-black-inventors-even-when-the-patent-system-explicitly-excluded-them-72619

        as for artwork by slaves.. well, again, the evil google is your friend … but Im not here to dole out history lessons

        kind regards…

    • Duns Scotus – knowing that something may eventuate does not mean an active role in the subsequent occurrence. ‘Q’ warned that something would eventuate from the Globalist/Deep State to ‘cover’ their road into world economic depression two years ago.

      The Patriots were prepared and not caught flat footed.

  14. Chinese steel mills will continue to buy ore from Rio Tinto and BHP, and Twiggy is a great pal of theirs, while the politicians of both sides will continue their posturing. Rio is owned by the Rotschilds since the late 1800’s so better not mess with them.

  15. Nemesis , you ask if I believe that ‘ dealing with a Communist government is good for this country’?

    Well, if it’s a choice between dealing with China or that country ( the U.S ) which has been responsible for killing , maiming, orphaning , displacing & dispossessing tens of millions of people just since 9/11 ( not to mention the tens of millions more before that in Nth Korea , Vietnam & elsewhere ) , then it should be blatantly obvious from a MORALITY standpoint that we should enact a Boycott, Divestment & Sanctions campaign against the latter until such time as they desist from their belligerent & genocidal ways .

  16. Yemen is still a thing – that’s the Dinkum truth .

    And , it is VERY MUCH the case that the U.S is at war in SEVEN (7) countries – this I DO KNOW :

    https://www.defenseone.com/news/2018/03/the-d-brief-march-15-2018/146688/

    It’s not just the quantitative aspect that we should focus on . Let’s turn our attention to the QUALITATIVE aspect :

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

    As you can see , ‘ Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels ‘ and ….

    ‘ …. he [Trump] is the most hawkish president in modern history ‘.

    Anyone who ignores these blinding truths about the Orange Man ( aka the Orang-U-tan ) , really does need to Expand Their Thinking .

    • Truth – Old News again? You just don’t stop do you? Maybe you should be checking for your own benefit on just how many of those wars the U.S. is no longer involved in?

        • Pompeo Vows US Will Use ‘Every Tool’ to Rescue Americans From Failed Venezuela Attack

          https://news.antiwar.com/2020/05/06/pompeo-vows-us-will-use-every-tool-to-rescue-americans-from-failed-venezuela-attack/

          “Pompeo went on to add further to this speculation, saying that he will not share further information about who financed and drove the plot at this time. Further, the State Department accused Venezuela’s President Maduro of using this to deflect from trouble at home.”

          I am not sure if anyone recalls my post about the Katyn Forest Massacre when the Jews (/Bolsheviks) controlling Russia were caught out and were exposed for murdering some 20,000 Polish officers and intellectuals. Their only regret at being caught red handed was that it offered their civilised enemy a ‘propaganda’ opportunity.

        • Fair Dinkum – if you chose to really find out what is occurring in Venezuela at this time, you would not have posted that link – World Socialist Website? LOL!

          That you would use such a one eyed article to support what you choose to believe, and that is based more in communist propaganda than reality, doesn’t surprise me!

          You are very much like your other two mates who have little knowledge of how this world really works and choose to throw up links to articles that support your, and their, own lack of historical research.

          Hit and run tactics will always fail – in other words – you don’t stand and argue because you have no ammunition (learning) in that brain of yours that you can draw on! You need to expand your thinking and stop relying on what others tell you or what you choose to believe instead of doing thorough research.

          WWG1WGA

  17. Nemesis , I’m with you absolutely in relation to your suggestion that the Palestinians should be world citizens & accept their own state – none other than the state of Palestine.

    So, let’s all work together to expel the Rothschild cartel / U.S taxpayer funded FOREIGN OCCUPIERS . ie: the Ashkenazi Jews that lobbed in from Krakow Poland , the Ukraine & elsewhere.

    These eastern European Jews can go back to their homelands & leave Palestine to the PROVEN descendants of those peoples that lived in biblical era Judea . ie: the Palestinians .

    No one says it better than the legendary White House Press corps journalist Helen Thomas :

    • Truth – you had me going there on the first few works of your comment, but then you went and spoiled it all by exposing your true feelings.

      And to add insult to injury, you put up a video from the Globalist Shill – Helen Thomas – wow!

      More exposing of your true feelings!

      You’ve never been about all those nice words you made up concerning the ‘innocent’ Israelis, so you’ve proven to me that you are no different in your thinking than the terrorist thugs called Hamas, who ride roughshod over their people at Iran’s behest!

  19. To berry and ‘Dinkum re victim-hood

    Be gentle – don’t you think the six million ‘victims’ have ‘suffered’ enough already – over – and over – and over – and over …

    List of Pre-Nuremberg References to “Six Million Jews,” Starting in 1850
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5397/

    Just a small sample

    Predictive Programming from 1915-1938 Pre Holocaust

    How many more times do these six million ‘souls’ have to perpetually ‘suffer’?

    (link to pdf)
    https://ia803005.us.archive.org/29/items/BooksEssaysArticlesReportsDocumentsPdfs-VariousText1/236ReferencesTo6000000JewsPriorToTheNurembergTrialAnnouncement.pdf

    • Oh look – and now they have to recalibrate

      Israeli Historian Discovers ‘6 Million’ Holocaust Figure Was Invented at Zionist Conference In 1944

      https://national-justice.com/israeli-historian-discovers-6-million-holocaust-figure-was-invented-zionist-conference-two-years

      “After decades of killing, imprisoning, firebombing and bankrupting Holocaust revisionists, it seems that the Jewish community is now being forced to recalibrate their narrative and give more and more ground. That they are now beginning to concede that the "6 million" is nothing more than Zionist propaganda is a major blow to the myth.”

      And if that wasn’t bad enough, we now have this coronacaust !!

      • Julius – so many ‘unwanted’ and targeted folk were slaughtered, not just in the death camps, but in forests in every country the SS followed the Wermacht into. There is no way anyone can place an accurate figure on the number murdered and to quote a figure of ‘six million’ is more an educated guess than a devious method in promoting an idea.

        As Stalin once quipped, “The death of one person is a tragedy, but the death of a million or more is unimaginable.”

        So how much will that ‘six million’ be reduced to? Does it even matter in the wider scheme of things?

        Coronacaust? Are you really suggesting a Jewish origin for a Chinese initiated program funded by the Globalist/Deep State?

        • Julius – so what have you learned out of that link to that special order? And I’ll just bet you will refuse to tell me.

  20. Fish , once again on the money with his evidence for how the mythical ‘ six million ‘ figure was concocted.

    For further elaboration on how many really died , acclaimed researcher Nick Kollerstrom here :

    https://archive.org/details/NicholasKollerstromHolocaustInterviews/16a-Dr.NicholasKollerstrom-WindowsOnTheWorld-Sep272015.mp4

    And Nemesis , as for your contradictory ‘ Deep State Iranian Connections ‘ comment , one wonders what hallucinogenic chemical cocktails you must be imbibing .

    First of all, what’s euphemistically called the ‘ Deep State ‘ is KNOWN to all ( who don’t have an axe to grind ) to be the Zio-cabal ( aka the the Rothschild mafia banking cartel ).

    We KNOW the Rothschild cartel was behind the creation of the state of Israel .
    We KNOW the Rothschilds paid (every last shekel) to build the Knesset ( the Israeli Parliament ).

    Baron Jacob Rothschild publicly admitted to this – so no conspiracy here.

    On the other hand, Iran , more than ANY country on Earth has acted as a counter-balance to total Israeli hegemony in the Middle East by way of implementation of the Oded Yinon plan ( ie: territorial expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates with the concomitant destruction / genocide of those peoples presently inhabiting those lands ) .

    Therefore, there is NO COUNTRY ON EARTH THAT , IN WORD & DEED , HAS DONE MORE DO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE DEEP STATE ZIO-CABAL THAN IRAN .

    For this, Iran should get a lifetime recognition award ( perhaps a perpetual Nobel Peace Prize ) for its services to humanity .

    Posterity will judge Iran’s current machinations very kindly for they are indeed the ‘ Beacon of Light ‘ in a sychophantically submissive to Zionism world .

    • Truth – have you never heard of the Muslim Brotherhood? Did you bother looking at the link I posted? You may actually learn something instead of beating the same old dead horse to death?

      I’ve been aware of that ‘problem’ for nearly two decades, but you keep flogging that poor old horse won’t you.

    • Truth – every country has a deep state. Rothschild is no longer in control of the Federal Reserve and is about to lose control of all central Banks world wide.

      Rothschild gave the impetus via the Balfour Declaration, for the creation of a Jewish state, even though Jews have been living in the current land of Israel for over 3500 years. What you fail to recognize is that the Jewish homeland almost failed to get the necessary votes in the United Nations for Partition.

      So Rothschild did not ‘create’ a Jewish state, it was created by vote in 1947 via the United Nations.

      As for Iran – you are digging a bigger hole for yourself in regard to what you think Iran represents.

      Learn something by looking at that link I have posted. What you champion is what the Globalist/Deep State champions – wake up man and catch up!

      Expand your thinking!

  21. Meanwhile , in support of Iran’s courageous stance against the Zio-backed genocidal occupiers of Palestine , we Australians can do our bit and support the BDS movement.

    You may have heard my comments in previous posts saying we should boycott all Hewlett Packard (HP) products.

    Well, there’s a very good reason for it .

    HP and its group of companies:

    Provide services and technology to the Israeli army and police that maintain Israel’s illegal occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1967 and the siege of Gaza.
    Maintain Israel’s central ID system and data base for the Israeli police, used to enforce a system of racial segregation and apartheid against Palestinian citizens of Israel.
    Support Israel’s colonisation by maintaining information on Israeli citizens in illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian West Bank.
    Operate a research and development centre in the illegal Israeli settlement of Beitar Illit in the occupied West Bank.

    Nemesis , if you have an conscience at all , abandon your shilling-for-Israel ways & join ‘ team decency ‘ & respect for human rights .

    • Truth – in case you missed it – Germany has just recognized Hezbollah for the terrorist organization it has always been. What country supplies Hamas with military aid and training while the people have to trek into Israel to get medical assistance or find work?

      What country controls Hezbollah? Iran. The world is closing in on the real problem in the middle east, but you keep on flogging that old chestnut about Israel even though the Truth is staring you in the face, but you choose to ignore it such is your deep bias.

      Get with the times because the Iranian Garden Gnomes are about to come crashing down.

      • “Get with the times because the Iranian Garden Gnomes are about to come crashing down.”

        maybe the salvation army to your rescue?

        last time USA was on a winning side in a war was WW2 – and then, thanks only to Russia.. and even their most recent skirmishes – they still cant win against countries with no army, air force or navy! – then again, maybe thats because they keep supplying their enemies with weapons training funding etc etc etc ….

        youre very big on statements Nemesis ( lol ) – but always light on substance – but as always – thanks for the giggles… its gorgeous! 🙂 XXX <3

      • Fair Dinkum – first you raise the ‘Yemen’ problem, and when I counter that with what is actually occurring, you ignore, and then put up the ‘palestinian’ problem. When I counter that with what is actually occurring, you then choose to mock and ridicule.

        Just like your other two mates, you lack historical research and rely far too much on what you choose to believe that is not based in anything that you have taken the time learn about.

  22. Yes Dinkum , you have got to give it to Nemesis.

    His assertions are so outrageously untenable , that we can’t help but laugh at them .

  23. Fish , that Auschwitz Order of 1944 is very interesting indeed .

    It sure doesn’t sound like an order issued by a regime that was intent on the ‘ Final Solution ‘ .

    Yet an another piece of evidence ignored by the Zio-dominated Nuremberg War Crime Tribunals.
    How convenient .

    • Truth – what I find interesting about the post Julius put up concerning Auschwitz is ;your willingness to believe the unbelievable, and in doing so, reject out of hand anything at all that may cause you to re-think what you choose to believe and not what you have taken the time in order to learn.

      Don’t anyone bother Truth with the FACTS as recorded, because his mind is already made up.

  24. On the contrary , my misinformed friend , I focus SOLELY on the facts .

    And the facts is the British had broken the German Enigma codes early in the war & were reading ALL the radio traffic to & from the alleged ‘ death camps ‘ & David Irving has researched it all .

    There was NO systematic mass extermination ( confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross whose records show that the AGGREGATE number of deaths in ALL the camps in German occupied territories was of the order of 290,000 ).

    And most of those died from typhus & malnutrition ( in the last months of the war the transportation / logistics system of the Germans had broken down as Allied bombing & strafing had destroyed rail & road deliveries of food ).

    My ‘ willingness to believe ‘ the posting that Fish made is absolutely believable since those statements fit in precisely with the documented evidence ( as opposed to the ‘ facts’ you’ve absorbed from watching Steven Spielberg fantasy films on WW II ) .

    Now, be a good fellow , expand your thinking & learn some REAL HISTORY from the greatest WW II historian that ever lived :

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/OtjLsE8EKusO/

    • Thank you Truth. I had not seen that particular video – bookmarked for tomorrow. I hadn’t read Mr Jelly’s response (I never bother with ad hominems and trollisms) but speaking of the “belief in the unbelievable” I wonder if Mr Jelly is ever going to provide an answer to “who did 911?” or provide a single link – just one – that we can explore and fact check. Better still, I wonder if he could provide us with the recipe and techniques for making soap or lampshades – or pedal-powered brain bashing machines.

      • Julius – you’ll get my answer to 9/11 when you choose to answer some of those questions I have posed to you previously, and not just on this thread.

    • Truth – only 290,000 deaths, and by means other than being worked to death? No summary hangings, being shot to death, torn apart by hungry dogs and a myriad of other well recorded sadistic ways the SS guards employed to kill off those ‘inmates’?

      You have heard of the Wannsee Conference, attended by Himmler, Heydrich, and others?

      A ‘conference’ convened during mid 1941 in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee to discuss what to do with the problem of an estimated three million Jews in German controlled territory?

      Why would three million Jewish citizens of their particular countries, then under German occupation be considered a problem, along with Priests, political prisoners and others?

      If you read the transcribed ‘conference’ and it is a tough read due to some words being illegible, the overall picture is easily painted that deportation of Jews to other countries outside of the Greater Reich, were proving ineffective as to the numbers being deported, and that a further solution was required to enact the final removal of all Jews.

      And I just bet your hero, David Irving, either failed to read the whole document, or took to cherry pick what he wanted to use as a counter to real history as recorded.

      You can find that document for your own reading at Nuremberg Trials Document NG-2586 Luther (under secretary of state)

  25. Fish , I think we’ll be waiting a while for him to make any concessions . ( Mossad Handbook for dis-info peddling sayanim : Rule # 1 : Never concede , Never admit you’re wrong – even when there’s a deluge of evidence eviscerating you ) .

    Meanwhile , since we’re on the Holocaust , here’s proof that even Mr Jelly’s countrymen are admitting that the 6 million number is a fraud :

    https://russia-insider.com/en/israeli-historian-discovers-6-million-holocaust-figure-was-invented-zionist-conference-1944/ri30071

  26. Mr Jelly is a bit slow on the uptake so I’ll provide some assistance here :

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/a9PjidCBGnyl/

    Now, before the usual culprits play the race card , the narrator of this video (Brother Nathanael Kapner ) was born a Jew .

    Disillusioned with Judaism , he converted to Christianity as an adult & became a Russian Orthodox priest .

  27. Since we’re all having fun now teaching REAL HISTORY to the brain-washed , let’s give Mr Jelly a nudge & assist him in his endeavours to solve 9/11 :

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/I3gH49Qiaczq/

    Of course, Lucky Larry never does mention why his son & daughter ( who also worked in the World Trade Centre towers ) , also happened to be away that day as well.

    Perhaps they too had dermatology appointments on that very morning ?

    What luck !!

    • Truth – when are you and your two mates going to realize that putting up links to whatever suits your agenda at the time is not proof for what you believe because for every link you choose to put up, I could counter with another link.

      Links prove nothing!

      I’m more interested in what you have learned about such and such a topic, not what you wish to put up as a link in an attempt to put me off.

      And I’m still waiting for your thinking, and what you have learned (not another link please) on the Van Allen Radiation Belt that you seem supports your theory that there were no manned missions to the Moon.

      Waiting……

  28. A picture paints a 1000 words & those brief links paint millions – in terms of their implications .

    Those links to videos & articles encompass ( succinctly ) what I’ve learned about such and such topic .
    Now, I could post peer reviewed documents from academics but that would entail a hard slog & countless hours of reading so not likely to be absorbed by other GS readers with limited time resources .

    If you can’t grasp the significance of those brief videos ( or more likely , DON’T want to because they uravel the propaganda you’ve spent a lifetime assimilating ) , then clearly you’re not open minded about absorbing new ideas that challenge your preconceptions & are thus the standard bearer amongst hypocrites who are not ‘Expanding Their Thinking ‘ .

    You’re beyond redemption .

    • Truth – what one may take in from video’s, unless verified as to sources, is learning nothing, just accepting a point of view that you happen to agree with.

      What anyone learns in life should be able to be put down in written form because the learning process that is based in fact, and not someone else’s opinion, will reinforce one’s knowledge as snippets of truth are gathered together.

      You never argue your point of view because I challenge in written form that which is easily verifiable, if you chose to look, and based in fact that you know you cannot argue against.

      Hence, you cannot effectively argue against manned Moon missions because you have not the knowledge of the subject that actually comes from the study of the subject you refuse to seriously look at.

      The document you now take to denigrate is a legally recognized document that you choose to ignore because you just cannot bring yourself to admit that you may be wrong!

      You won’t read it because it may cause you to re-think your own biases!

      You have provided more excuses than any that i have seen, in my years of debating, for not taking to arguing against the criticism I direct toward you.

      That Truth, is an admission of not knowing your subject matter thoroughly! And so now, you brush me off because that is your avenue of least resistance!

  29. Nemesis, as to your early comment about David Irving ‘ failing to read the whole document ‘ & cherrypicking , the fact is that Irving’s depth & breadth of accessing primary source documents for his historical writings is unparalleled .

    Irving shows no fear or favour in his statements. He’s a proud Brit but if the facts paint a sorry picture of Britain’s war crimes ( as the bombing of civilian Germans surely do ), then so be it.

    As to your emphasis on the implications of the Wannsee Conference , you’ve been reading too many Zio-dictated Wikipedia entries.

    There was no ‘ Final Solution ‘ ( in terms of genocide ) discussed at this conference.

    A lot of Jewish people where skilled professionals , artisans & the like who were FAR MORE VALUABLE to the German war effort alive than dead.

    Now, I’ve heard Zio-propagandists counter by saying that a particular household member with said skills ( say the father ) was kept alive while his wife & kids & elderly ( useless eater ) parents were exterminated.

    Of course, that’s ridiculous. What man would continue working for the Germans UNLESS the safety of his immediate family was assured ?

    And, knowing this the Germans set up reasonable living conditions at Auschwitz & elsewhere ( you saw in the clip I posted the photos of soccer fields , swimming pools , child care facilities at Auschwitz ) so that they could extract as much productive output from said Jewish / Gentile inmate as possible).

    You ask ‘ why would 3 million Jewish citizens of their countries be considered a problem along with political prisoners , priests etc ‘ .

    Well, just like the Japanese Americans that were interned in the U.S during World War II (unjustifiably in that case as they were patriotic Americans ) , the German authorities thought that Jews , political agitators etc would be a subversive group & seek to undermine the German war effort.

    This belief is not without merit in the case of that significant proportion of Jewry that advocated the Jewish Bolshevism in the Soviet Union which they so admired & sought to replicate in Germany .

    Bottom Line : If you believe in the ‘ official ‘ ( dictated via Steven Spielberg Hollywood movies ) narrative of the Holocaust then you also believe that 4 – 6 = 5 .

    That piece of arithmetic is mentioned in Nick Kollerstrom’s book ( Breaking the Spell ) exposing the fraud of the Holocaust.

    Bear in mind that Germany did NOT occupy all of Europe in WWII so there were many Jews in neutral countries that were NOT deported ( eg: Spain , Portugal , Sweden , Finland , Switzerland etc ).

    And, amongst those occupied countries that had higher proportions of Jews during the war , many that resided there in the early 30’s were no longer residing there by 1939. ( Indeed it has been documented that Jews were allowed to migrated from the Reich as late as 1940 & 1941 ) .

    Many German , Austrian & other European Jews had migrated to England , Palestine , the U.S & elsewhere during the 1930’s .

    Bear in mind also that, in the case of French Jews , around 80 % were NEVER DEPORTED from France during the war to these work camps – only the troublesome / political subversive & those who could not contribute to the war effort whilst residing in France were deported .

    Yes, you read right – 80 % of French Jews stayed in France for the ENTIRETY OF THE WAR where they contributed to the German war effort in French industries that were re-tooled to assist the 3rd Reich.

    If indeed genocide of European Jewry was the intended outcome , HOW do you explain such a high proportion of French Jews never being deported ?

    So, an actual head count shows that there were only FOUR (4) million Jews in aggregate in ALL the German occupied territories in World War II. ( That’s where the ‘4’ comes from in the equation 4 – 6 = 5 ) .

    And, after WWII , the German government has paid out reparations to 5 million Holocaust survivors. ( These figures are all rounded to the nearest million for simplicity ).

    And of course, we have the old chestnut trotted out of 6 million perishing in the ‘ death camps .

    Hence : 4 – 6 = 5 .

    It’s ridiculous.

    Now, you be an honourable man Nemesis & go forward to your Hasidic & Talmudic comrades & be brave enough to tell them the facts about this greatly exaggerated topic .

    • Truth – your first paragraph exposes a reliance on a man who lost a Libel suit in the London High Court back in 2000, then being described as a falsifier of history. He is also a rabid Jew hater, but I guess that sits in well with your own leaning?

      Your second paragraph then attempts to detract the British war effort by the referral to the bombing of German civilians as to somehow being equated to what the Nazis did. For your info – the bombing of Dresden by the Americans and the British , I would class as a war crime that no one has yet answered for – the British bombed by night and the Americans by day. the bombing practises of those times was far from accurate and very reliant on actually seeing the target. And while that was going on, Hitler’s wonder weapons, the V1 and V2 were killing off the Brits as well.

      If you could bring yourself to read the transcript of that document, you would soon realize that the Wannsee conference was a meeting on how to finally deal with the ‘Jewish problem’ that led into the genocide that was then enacted – you seem to ignore – that those considered as ‘undesirables’ were being systematically eliminated through various methods prior to that ‘conference’ taking place.

      The ‘perfect’ method at the time of that conference had not yet been put into operation.

      How much have you made yourself aware of concerning the actual running of all those death camps? How families were immediately separated on arrival, and as you write, the skilled gained ’employment’ while those less skilled were then, either worked to death, or went straight to the gas chambers? You are very naive if what you have written is truly what you believe.

      Yes, German Jews were permitted to emigrate to those countries that would take them in, Hitler even paid for several boat loads to go to then Palestine. But as that document shows, the emigration program was not ridding Europe fast enough of its Jews. But in early 1940, all that ceased. Why?

      If you happened to be a Jew in France, Vichy or otherwise, then you got deported into Germany. Maybe you could give me a clue as to how you arrive at such a low 20% of French Jews being deported?

      Actual figures for death by the Nazi machine cannot be relied upon with accuracy in mind. Even the killers failed to keep an accurate record of those sent to the gas chamber, or were slaughtered outside of the concentration camp authority, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia, where the SS and other special squads, ‘einsatzgruppen’ murdered their way all along the road to Moscow.

      So, I don’t know how the figure of six million or even four million is able to be arrived at. Let’s just say, many were systematically slaughtered simply for being who they were.

      The Russians slaughtered 42,000 poles at Katyn. How is that figure arrived at? The Germans unearthed all the bodies and systematically recorded the number of dead.If the Russians were able to slaughter that many poles in a matter of a few weeks, then one only need imagining the real number slaughtered over a five year period.

      Only the number of dead may be exaggerated, not the crime itself, which seems to escape your thinking.

  30. Dinkum , I just read your ‘ Trump’s Bay of Pigs in Venezuela ‘ article.

    Very interesting indeed .

    So much for the ‘ Trump is de-escalating the wars & U.S imperialist overreach ‘ bogus sound byte that is doing the rounds .

  31. Trump Vetoes ‘Very Insulting’ Measure Limiting His Powers to Attack Iran

    https://news.antiwar.com/2020/05/06/trump-vetoes-very-insulting-measure-limiting-his-powers-to-attack-iran/

    The short article:

    “Passed in the Senate in February and the House in March, the Iran War Powers Resolution appears to have come to an end on Wednesday when it was vetoed by President Trump, who insisted it was “very insulting” and dangerous to limit his ability to attack Iran.

    The resolution was a pre-emptive War Powers Act challenge to a war with Iran, aiming to note that Congress has not in any way authorized a US war against Iran, and ordering them to stop any military actions related to this unauthorized conflict.

    Trump has repeatedly argued that the Constitution gives him the absolute right to make decisions on who to attack, saying it was insulting to suggest otherwise, and that it would be dangerous to any way limit the possibility of the US carrying out pre-emptive attacks.

    The War Powers Act gives Congress the power to limit such actions. That said, neither the House nor Senate passed the resolution with anywhere near a veto-proof majority, and that likely means Trump’s veto is the end of this particular legal challenge, for now.”

    So Trump is insulted that Congress should suggest limiting his unconstitutional ‘right’ to pre-emptively attack anyone he chooses. I swear the whole “Iran War Powers Resolution” was just part of the circus – just like that ‘dossier’.

    • Julius – no, Trump is not insulted that congress (Democrat controlled house) would take to attempting to limit his foreign powers as POTUS to pre-emptively attack any country. What he is insulted about is the fact that Congress attempted to usurp the President’s foreign power to attack any country that attacks America or American assets first, Iran being the case in point.

      Why would a democrat controlled house wish to protect Iran? If you remember back to 2015 Iran took a number of American sailors hostage until the Jizya was paid at a later date. Iran has proven to be no friend to America since 1979 – maybe you should take that on board before allowing your imagination to run riot?

      If you did historical research you would already know that during the early years of the American Republic, American shipping came under constant attack from Barbary pirates, until that time, the United States had no policy in place with which to protect their shipping from such attacks – hence the President’s Foreign Powers Act – whereby the President could order the Navy and Marines to attack the origin or the shipping when sighted, of those powers identified as being originating ports or shipping of the Barbary Pirates – Tripoli – I believe being the first port to be dealt with back in the late 1890s.

      As always, follow the money interests whenever Congress attacks the current President or tries to usurp his powers.

  32. Nemesis , you are mistaken about David irving losing the libel suit in London in 2000 .

    Those without an axe to grind that read the transcript of the court case say that Irving wiped the floor with his accusers – such was his powerful & overwhelming argument & deluge of supporting evidence.

    Of course , the vile Deborah Lipstadt had USD $ 13 million at her disposal to prosecute her case (that doesn’t include the money that no doubt bought off the judge & other players in that kangaroo court).

    Just like Julian Assange’s present day court proceedings , the British judicial system is corrupt & the immense resources brought to bear by the Jewish lobby made the outcome a foregone conclusion .

    As bad as the corrupt judge who presided over that trial was , he couldn’t help himself from saying this during the proceedings :

    ” As a military historian , Irving has much to commend him. He has discovered and disclosed to historians and others many documents which , but for his efforts , would have remained unnoticed for years.

    It was plain from the way in which he conducted his case and dealt with a sustained and penetrating cross-examination that his knowledge of World War Two is unparalleled .

    His mastery of the detail of the historical documents is remarkable . Moreover he writes his military history in a clear and vivid style ” . ……… Sir Charles Gray QC .

    Yes Nemesis , you read right when it said ‘ .. the way HE conducted his case ‘ .

    David Irving is not a lawyer yet was forced to represent himself when every barrister / QC he sought to represent him declined due to pressure from Jewish lobby groups – such was the level of intimidation from these sinister entities determined to make sure that Irving was found guilty.

    So, although found nominally guilty by a corrupt court , the world knows the reality of that trial.

    David Irving won a resounding moral victory that will live on long after the Zio-cabal has been hobbled & brought to its knees .

    • Truth – a loss is a loss, regardless of other’s, or your own perceptions, as to what caused that loss.

      I note that the trial judge in the opening address distanced the Bench from making any judgement based in historical fact. That alone sealed Irving’s fate because his whole argument is based in historical fact that the Defence easily countered because of contemporary thinking (political correctness) and its own interpretation of historical fact.

      You, and I realize, that history unless thoroughly researched by the individual, is a game open to all kinds of interpretations and agendas.

      As Orwell stated: ‘In the Age of Deceit, the telling of Truth becomes revolutionary’. Which is the reasoning for why I often quote, that Truth cannot be told, it has to be learned.

      And no amount of ‘learning’ by one man, no matter how thorough and diligent he may be in his quest for the Truth, should be relied upon as a Herald for it, especially by others who choose to believe what is told to them, rather than what they may find out for themselves by doing their own investigations.

      You have a tendency to rely on what others tell you and not rely on your own research.

      I take back what i suggested about Irving being a rabid Jew hater. All the evidence says, he wasn’t.

      And I note the PC sledgehammer – ‘holocaust denier’ – for being what it is, a politically correct tool to limit any public exploration of what actually occurred during the Nazi nightmare of World War 2. Interesting too, that ‘Holocaust Denier’ has now morphed into ‘Climate Denier’ with which to attack those who choose to do what Irving has done.

      What has escaped the larger thinking in this issue is the irrefutable fact that there was a program in place to kill off a large number of folk simply for being who they were. That cannot be denied. What should be a lesson to us though, and is a lesson that seems to have been forgotten, is that ideologies that use culture/race as a weapon to advance its agenda against others seen as being untermenschen are a clear and present danger to us all.

  33. Nemesis, as to your unsubstantiated assertion of Irving being a Jew hater , the fact is he was the darling of the literary set as a result of his early writings , had a Jewish publisher & received glowing accolades from the Board of Jewish Deputies ( among other Jewish organisations ) for his pieces on WWII related issues.

    The problems for Irving started in the late 70’s when he released ‘ Hitler’s War ‘ .

    I have read it & there is not the slightest syllable uttered in it that is anti-Semitic. ( I suggest you read it & see for yourself ) .

    But, in that work he stated that he found no documented proof that Hitler ordered ANY killings of Jews nor was there any documentary proof that Hitler even knew there was an extermination going on .

    That didn’t sit well with the powerbrokers of the Zio-cabal & he was told to retract those statements because they didn’t jibe with the narrative that they wanted to brainwash the world with.

    Irving, a man of principle , would not amend what he said. Because the facts are the facts & must not be tampered with even if they tarnish the image of the victors of the war.

    As for me , I don’t hate anyone – let alone Jews.

    The fact is, I don’t even hate Zionists. I have met some & whilst I think they are misguided , I can understand their desire for a Jewish homeland in light of the perceived tragedy they believe Jewry suffered in WWII .

    Now, I agree that Jewry suffered terrible tragedies during the war ( other races suffered orders of magnitude worse yet they’re not given their dues ).

    I believe , as the evidence strongly suggests , that Jewry did not suffer to the exaggerated extent that Steven Spielberg will have you believe.

    The fact is, It’s only a small subset of rabid, maniacal power-hungry Zionists that I take issue with.
    This small subset just happen to be obscenely rich Rothschild banking mafia cartel affiliated Zionists that are conscience free & will perpetrate any crime ( 9/11 , genocide of the Palestinians , London 7/7 tube bombings , USS Liberty attack etc ) to attain their desired outcomes.

    I am forever grateful to the courageous Jews who speak truth to power & are a source of a lot of information I draw from.

    People like Peter Schiff ( for financial commentary ) , commentators in geopolitics & the 9/11 Truth movement like Ron Unz , Lynn Margulis ( now deceased – some suggest due to foul play because she told the truth about 9/11 ) , James Perloff , Alan Sabrosky , Ron Unz , Stephen Lendman & scores more .

    Nemesis , you & I could be friends too but you’re so caught up in your ‘ confirmation bias ‘ existence that it’s not likely to happen whilst you have this inflexible mindset .

    Such a shame .

    • Truth – I’m impressed! Two posts from your own thinking – well done to you.

      I believe that Hitler would not have been too upset to find out what his underlings were doing to people that his printed speeches would suggest should be done to them, heavily indoctrinated folk reading those speeches would understand exactly what Hitler was getting at.

      One should remember about those times, that there were already programs in place to rid the world of what the Nazis thought were the undesirable folk, the retarded and mentally disturbed. Nazism is the root of today’s Green Party – many have forgotten that. Apart from his pathological hatred of the Jew, Hitler was vegetarian, non-smoker, and tee total.

      What Julius posted concerning that ‘order’ by a camp commandant, and what he has missed in his eagerness to limit the number of deaths within those camps, is that no sane person in charge of death camps would put into words via direct orders to kill prisoners – even the Nazis were not that stupid.

      You go to great lengths to prove you are not a rabid Jew hater. Perhaps if you chose to look at what Israel is achieving, and not destroying, in the middle east, it may actually cause you to reflect on the real problem?

      And those wishing to be friends with others, do not resort to mockery or derision of those they may wish to be friends with.

  34. Fish , just saw your ‘ Trump is Expanding the U.S Empire ‘ video hosted by the delicious Abby Martin that you posted yesterday . .

    Not just beautiful on the outside , Abby’s gorgeous on the inside with her courageous exposures of the Zio-cabals war mongering – not to mention her excellent documentaries on the Palestinian genocide.

    Those who are committed to the ‘ Trump-the-saviour ‘ narrative really need to see this video above.

    The last few minutes are especially poignant when Abby speaks of U.S sanctions & the damage they’ve wreaked .

    She says of sanctions : ‘ They’re not an alternative to war. Sanctions ARE war ‘ .

    And Trump has ESCALATED sanctions everywhere during his tenure.

    So much for the bald face lies that Trump is winding back America’s provocations .

  35. I do not hate any ethnic group & don’t need to provide a defence for my statements.

    The Jewish lobby will try & conflate anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism. This is by design .

    It’s not even fair to say I’m anti-Zionist , seeing as many Zionists are fair minded people that just yearn for a Jewish homeland.

    I’m specifically anti-RABID/Genocidal Zionism .

    Nemesis , I can assure you that I’ve looked very closely at what the Apartheid Israeli state is ‘achieving’ ( ie: ongoing repression & Human Rights abuses of the Palestinians ) & I’m mortified .

    Therefore, I will join hands with my Jewish friends Anna Baltzer , Gideon Levy & Mordechai Vanunu as we campaign for regime change in Israel & the advent of a just outcome – none other than the One State Solution .

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