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Citizen’s Arrest, Sting Operation in Adelaide, and Taking the Law into One’s Own Hands

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by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

Yesterday at GumshoeNews.com I published an article about citizen’s arrest. I said that to make a citizen’s arrest is the historical norm, and that to have a paid police force is the exception. That does not mean I prefer the norm. After all to have no refrigeration in one’s home is the historical norm, and now we have the exception, a nice fridge. Yay fridge.  Yay paid police force.

In the title of yesterday’s article I asked “Can You Do Anything about Port Arthur”? Of course we can do something. It would be absurd to say our hands are forever tied. I argued that when normal police action is not happening we still have a perfectly legal procedure available: citizen’s arrest. (We also have lots of other methods, such as Truth Commissions.)

It seems that a man in Adelaide had performed a citizen’s arrest the day before my article (but I did not know about that). It looks as if he met the Bassiouni procedural format. Not that the late Professor Bassiouni would want to take credit for something that was already clear in English common law.

Judging only from the video that the arrestor’s friend made, the arrestor did these three correct things:  he told the arrestee what he was doing, he refrained from manhandling the arrestee, and he immediately called 000 to get a police to attend the scene. As the cop car arrived, with sirens blaring, I think I heard the arrestor say to his quarry “That may be your taxi now, Mate.”

Did He Take the Law into His Own Hands?

So far, this story is not one of “taking the law into one’s own hands” but rather “performing law enforcement.” I want to emphasize that point. She who performs a proper citizen’s arrest is acting out of respect for the law. As Judge Burton put it in 1854 (see my April 3 article) “

“The Law of England makes every man an officer to arrest a Traitor or Felonand all persons of Competent Age, who are present where treason or felony is committed or a dangerous wound is given, are bound to apprehend the Offender on pain of being fined and imprisoned for their neglect…[etc]”

Taking the law into one’s own hands is quite a different matter. Joe recklessly drives into Bob’s car, causing much damage, so Bob goes to Joe’s property and breaks a few windows. That sort of thing is called “taking the law into your own hands.” It does not mean you are carrying out the law in the way a judge or jury would do. “The law” would make Joe pay the damage money to Bob.

I did not see any sign of the Adelaide arrestor getting involved in retaliation. So (as far as I can see) it is inappropriate for the authorities—or the media — to accuse the arrestor of taking the law into his own hands.

A Sting Operation

It appears that the arrestor had performed a sting operation. He posed as an underage guy (under 17) soliciting some sex action by an ad in social media. He got more than one reply in a short time. I guess at that point he could have gone to the police station with a printout of the replies and said “Here, these men want to reach the young one for sex; deal with it.”

Instead he misled the customer to believe the young one would rendezvous in a playground. When the customer showed up, the arrestor did the citizen’s arrest.  You may recall from the definition of citizen’s arrest that it includes arresting a person for a crime that he is about to perform.

Presumably the purpose of encouraging a citizen to make an arrest to prevent a crime, is that all of us will gain by having that crime thwarted. If a woman was about to set fire to a forest and the onlooker-citizen grabbed her and held her in check till the police could arrive, we would be grateful.

In the Adelaide case, however, no crime would have ensued because there was no under-17 year-old boy. That boy had never existed. It as a sting operation.

Personally I don’t think that meets the established criteria for citizen’s arrest. Not that we can’t expand the criteria; law is always getting expended.

Are Stings OK?

Many years ago in America there was quite the sting operation. Members of Congress were filmed taking cash bribes for favorable treatment in legislation. Then it was revealed that the whole set up was meant to trap them.

The public learned “This is what your elected representative would do if someone offered him cash for legislation.” And in Adelaide this week the public did learn “This is what happens when an underage boy states on the Internet that he will perform sex for an adult.”

So now I would like to ask a question that has nothing to do with the foregoing discussion of citizen’s arrests.  Namely, are sting operations OK?

Sting Versus Entrapment 

On July 22, 2014, Natasha Leonard wrote an article  at news.vice.com entitled “The Line Between FBI Stings and Entrapment Has Not Blurred, It’s Gone”. She said:

Rezwan Ferdaus is a 26-year-old US citizen of Bangladeshi descent. He was sentenced to 17 years in prison after pleading guilty to attempting to blow up the Pentagon and the US Capitol. This plot was devised with the direct guidance of a federal agent who infiltrated Ferdaus’ mosque and even provided the fake explosives.

An FBI agent said of Ferdaus to the convict’s father that he “obviously” is mentally ill. Ferdaus, who also suffered from severe depression, seizures, and had to wear adult diapers for bladder control problems, was the victim of the sort of FBI sting that crosses the fine line into entrapment. And these operations are no rarity.

You may recall the case of Amanda Kolody and her partner John Nuttall, in British Columbia, Canada, who were arrested in a sting operation regarding terrorism. Judge Catherine Bruce ruled that the Nuttall-Kolody couple were drug addicts who did not have “the mental capacity” to carry out the plot. She said the RMCP – Royal Canadian Mounted Police – had “skillfully engineered” them. (This is reported in Newstalk770.com).

The Crown lawyer Peter Eccles proclaimed

“They [Kolody and Nuttall] are also quite capable of committing murder of somebody for an ideological purpose, which they were very keen to do and were dissuaded from doing, they are quite capable of random attack.”

Luckily, there was a real defense lawyer who noted:

“Providing him with religious advice and encouraging him to commit crimes. The proof is in the pudding, why did he have to do that. Because he was expressing qualms about acts of violence being in accordance with Islam, so they isolated him, and disparaged Imams …”  [Emphasis added]

I do not approve of stings. (My opinion has no particular value; I am just “sharing” it.) This does not mean I oppose the man who did his pedophile sting in Adelaide. Ever since my Fringe play on March 18, regarding “False Memory Syndrome” I have been alerted to some amazing situations in South Australia. Perhaps the citizen arrestor felt that a publicity stunt was needed to help raise awareness and thus relieve the problem. (Not that The Advertiser is going to open a debate…) Did he do right or wrong? I can’t say.

The Stinkiest Sting of All – WTC 1993

But I can say that the FBI did wrong in regard to the 1993 bombing of the basement of the World Trade Center.

The particulars are not especially relevant to the event in Adelaide but when I went to look for a reference just now I was amazed to see how the New York Times was able to run such a long column without accentuating the fact that the WTC bombing of 1993 was an FBI sting.

I will print their article here for other purposes – namely for the benefit of Gumshoes’ truth seekers who study false flags. The case has the unusual feature that the informant, Salem Emad taped all his conversations with the FBI.

I suggest you not bother to read it if you are unfamiliar with the event. This New York Times article  has a mushy quality – I believe the writers were told to fill the space in a way that would appear to reveal the amazing tape recorded conversations and yet confuse everyone about the terrible fact that the FBI was responsible.

The New York Time Archives holds this piece “Bomb Informer’s Tapes Give Rare Glimpse of F.B.I. Dealings” by RICHARD BERNSTEIN WITH RALPH BLUMENTHAL, dated only “1993”.

It is shortly after a bomb has blown a hole five stories deep at the World Trade Center and an F.B.I. agent is talking to Emad A. Salem, the former Egyptian army officer who is the bureau’s secret source of information, its most valuable undercover operative.

But rather than talk about the conspiracy, about who was involved in it and how it was done, Mr. Salem’s concerns are more mundane, involving unpaid parking tickets, the tolls he pays as he travels between New York and New Jersey, the expenses of using his own car to carry out his informer’s duties.

“Let them give me a car to run the investigation,” Mr. Salem says. “Yesterday I went to New Jersey. I went to Brooklyn, and I was in Manhattan. How do you expect me to run all of that? By subway?”

That remark, a bit of minutiae in the care and feeding of an informer, is included in the more than 900 pages of transcripts detailing the conversations Mr. Salem secretly recorded with the F.B.I agents assigned to him. The transcripts of those recordings provide a rare and intimate glimpse into the complex, delicate, often mutually manipulative relationship between Mr. Salem and the F.B.I., a relationship in which Mr. Salem’s commonly wounded feelings are matched by the F.B.I.’s efforts to cajole and offer sympathy.

Transcripts of the tapes were turned over last week to defense lawyers in two cases, the ongoing World Trade Center bombing trial and the second case, which involves 15 men accused of plotting to blow up other targets in New York. The transcripts, which were put under seal by a Federal judge, have been obtained by The New York Times.

The transcripts are replete with new allegations about what the authorities have called the most damaging terrorist attack in American history and the larger conspiracy related to it. The transcripts are like spotlights, providing bursts of illumination in the still-dark arena of the case, so that faces, names and actions appear in the light, and then, the moment of illumination over, seem to fade again. Mr. Salem’s specific allegations cannot be confirmed independently but they are clearly taken seriously by the F.B.I. agents.

The transcripts show the torment of the F.B.I. agents and of Mr. Salem over whether the attack on the World Trade Center could have been prevented, as Mr. Salem repeatedly and furiously insists, and whether the decision to pull him off the case six months before the explosion was a fatal blunder. Mr. Salem tells the F.B.I. that he himself was recruited into the bombing conspiracy in 1992 by El Sayyid A. Nosair, the man accused of killing Rabbi Meir Kahane in 1990. In Mr. Salem’s account, Mr. Nosair emerges for the first time as a central figure in the trade center plot. Mr. Salem also says he knows that Mr. Nosair, who was acquitted of the Kahane killing but sentenced to 7 1/2 to 22 1/2 years in prison on related charges, actually killed Rabbi Kahane.

“He told me,” Mr. Salem says.

Mr. Salem also tells the F.B.I. agents that Mr. Nosair first asked Mr. Salem to carry out major roles in the making of a bomb. He suggests that it was when he demurred, arguing that he was too busy with other things, that Mr. Nosair recruited some of the figures now on trial in the World Trade Center case, specifically, Mohammed A. Salameh and Mahmud Abouhalima.

The transcripts also disclose some tantalizing new allegations concerning Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, who preached in mosques in both Brooklyn and Jersey City that were attended by many of the defendants in the conspiracy case. Mr. Salem says that Mr. Abdel Rahman asked him to assassinate the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak. Mr. Salem also alleges that Mr. Abdel Rahman had close contacts with Hamas, the extremist Palestinian organization.

The transcripts offer new details on how the F.B.I. tracked Mr. Abouhalima, the Egyptian-born, 33-year-old taxi driver, who is one of the key suspects in the trade center case.

“Let me tell you something, how we uh, how we came across Mahmud,” John Anticev, an F.B.I. agent, says. “We knew Mahmud . . . uh . . . as one of the organizers for the uh, the training,” the agent continued, referring to paramilitary training carried out by some of the figures later indicted in the conspiracy cases and discovered by the F.B.I. around 1990. The transcript continues with Mr. Anticev telling Mr. Salem that Mr. Abouhalima taught military skills at training camps maintained by the group.

Anticev: “You know, up in Long Island?”

Salem: “Yeah.”

Anticev: “And out in, uh, Connecticut.”

Salem: “Yeah.”

Anticev: “O.K.? And we knew that he was a, you know, big guy, went back and forth to Afghanistan and we also knew that he was very involved, uh . . . you know — “

Salem: “Yeah.”

Anticev: “With teaching.”

“Listen to this, this is funny,” Mr. Anticev continues, telling Mr. Salem that the F.B.I. examined Mr. Nosair’s phone records, finding that the person he called most often was “a person called Weber.” Surprised that Mr. Nosair would have frequent contact with someone with a German name, Mr. Anticev and a partner, Detective Louis Napoli, tracked down the address of “Weber” on Fifth Avenue and 71st Street in Brooklyn. ‘Who Is This Weber?’

“And we knock on the door and somebody, American guy, answers on another floor, and we go, ‘Who is this Weber?’ and the guy goes, ‘Him? I think this guy’s a terrorist,’ ” Mr. Anticev says.

“We go, ‘Why?’ ‘Well he has all these Arabs up there all the time, and this and that . . . uh . . . he has magazines about bombs and stuff like,” and I go, ‘Well, Weber?’ He goes, ‘Yeah, but his real name is, is Mahmud Abouhalima.’ “

“And I just looked at Louie you know,” Mr. Anticev concludes. “We said, ‘Bingo.’ ” Weber turned out to be the maiden name of Mr. Abouhalima’s wife, Marianne.

One week before the bombing, Mr. Salem later tells the F.B.I., Mr. Salameh and Mr. Abouhalima visited Mr. Nosair in the Attica prison. Mr. Salem chastises the F.B.I., saying that if they had been conducting proper surveillance, they would have learned of the bombing before it happened.

Yet another intriguing possibility suggested by the transcripts is that there were at one point other would-be bombers active around New York.

“Why do you think I’m going crazy for?,” Mr. Anticev says. “‘Cause I see the potential, the potential is there.”

Mr. Salem says that, as an infiltrator in another group, he actually purchased a timer in a separate plot whose goal was to explode 12 bombs simultaneously around the city. Disdain for the Sheik

Another frequent refrain is Mr. Salem’s disdain for the group he had infiltrated, especially the sheik, whom Mr. Salem sarcastically refers to as “the Prince.”

For example, he accuses Mr. Abdel Rahman of hypocrisy, saying that he publicly condemned the World Trade Center bombing and contended that violence was against Islamic principle.

“Like he’s coming on Channel One say, ‘Well I know nothing . . . Islam is sweet and cute and we never talk violence,’ ” Mr. Salem says, adding, however, that he had five instances on tape of the sheik advocating violence.

Mr. Salem also spends time in person and on the telephone striving to get Mr. Abdel Rahman, as Mr. Salem puts it, to “strangle himself” with incriminating statements.

Mr. Salem tries to get him to admit that he knows the trade center bombing defendants, but all the sheik says is: “I know thousands and millions know me.”

Throughout, the transcripts reveal the mood of guilt and recrimination in the wake of the devastating trade center blast. In one early conversation secretly taped by Mr. Salem while riding in a car with two F.B.I. agents soon after the explosion, the informer and the agents argue whether Mr. Salem had specifically informed them months earlier that the attack on the World Trade Center would take place.

“I told you so, that this is one of the targets,” Mr. Salem says. “You forgot. You have your papers. Go back to it. World Trade Center, Empire State Building, Grand Central. Times Square.”

“I looked over my notes,” one of the agents, John Anticev, says. “I didn’t see anything about a target.” To this, Detective Napoli, says: “I was there also. I don’t remember you saying target.” Details — Great and Small

After the bomb went off at the trade center, Mr. Salameh, who had been dropped as an F.B.I. informer was put on again, and he used his contacts with the sheik and the men around him to collect much of the intelligence that led to their indictments several months later. Most of the taped conversations with the F.B.I. — there are 70 of them in all but only 45 have been released — took place during this last phase of Mr. Salem’s work as an informer, after the explosion.

The conversations contain many small details. There is the present of a watch dropped off by an agent at Mr. Salem’s home for his birthday. There are conversations about kids, about getting enough sleep and about Mr. Salem’s sadness about the death of his mother-in-law. There are lessons in the proper pronunciation of Arabic names and in being sure to push the numbers key when using a telephone beeper.

But many of the exchanges reveal an emotionally complex, often tormented, always multifaceted relationship, one in which Mr. Salem frequently returns to two subjects: one, his hurt at having been dropped by the F.B.I. earlier; two, his claim, as he put it to Mr. Anticev, that the F.B.I. failed to do its job in preventing the World Trade Center attack.

“All of these things, you didn’t think it was serious,” Mr. Salem says of the information he claims to have provided to the F.B.I. “You didn’t think.”

“We knew it was serious,” Detective Napoli replies and continues: “It wasn’t that we didn’t believe you. It was just that the only way, you could have, to stay, was that you had to testify.”

In this, the F.B.I. seems to hint at an overall quandary that it faced with Mr. Salem, and indeed faces in all cases in which the need to quietly collect intelligence conflicts with the need to build a criminal case that follows legal guidelines. To build a proper case agents wanted Mr. Salem to wear a hidden body recorder, which would have documented his information for courtroom testimony but also would have heightened the risk to him.

“We couldn’t let you make a bomb and then give that bomb to whoever,” Agent Anticev tells Mr. Salem, adding “because later on if that bomb, let’s say goes off at a synagogue and kills two, three people, and that it comes out that, that, an agent of the F.B.I. participated in making the bomb, forget it, they would go berserk. The press would say we knew, we’d be sued, people would be fired.” Temptations and Trust

When, after the bombing, the F.B.I. tries to lure Mr. Salem back into his informer’s role, agents try to tempt him with the prospect of being put into the Witness Protection Program.

“Ya know, new life, with a new name, in any part of the country that you like,” Mr. Anticev tells Mr. Salem, “would be yours for the asking.” Since arrests in the second bombing case in June, Mr. Salem has dropped out of sight.

And there is a paradoxical theme of trust, or the lack of it, between the bureau and its confidential informer. Mr. Salem complains frequently that the F.B.I. has no faith in him. At one point, he refers angrily to having been given a lie detector test by an F.B.I. supervisor. Another time, he protests over having been patted down at one meeting. But even as he protests, he is secretly recording his conversations with the F.B.I. agents, either through a phone jack or through bugging devices in his car or on his body.

At least once, Mr. Salem clearly tells the F.B.I. that he has been taping his conversations with agents, and at one point he even tells them, in what appears to be an attempt at blackmail, that he put the tapes in a safe place and “wrote a message if, God forbid, something wrong happened to me from the F.B.I., these tapes gotta be sold to one of the uh, ah, ah, C.N.N. or, ya know, I did something like that to protect my heirs.”

The earliest recordings go back roughly two years to the time when El Sayyid Nosair was on trial in the Kahane murder case. Mr. Salem describes the mood of tension that gripped Mr. Nosair’s supporters, some of whom were later indicted in the World Trade Center case and the larger conspiracy. He also talks about the joyful response of the men to Mr. Nosair’s acquittal of the murder charge, and both he and Mr. Anticev agree that the jury was “stupid” not to have found Mr. Nosair guilty. Excerpts of F.B.I. Agent’s Conversation With Informer

In undated transcripts of conversations after the World Trade Center bombing, an F.B.I. agent, Nancy Floyd, tells a Government informer, Emad A. Salem, that she believes the bureau mishandled the investigation of suspected terrorists before the blast. Mr. Salem, referred to as “Amid,” suggests to her that he go to the President. FLOYD I said that the bottom line comes to this, is that my opinion is this thing was handled completely wrong from the very beginning . . .

SALEM Uh huh.

FLOYD That, um, as you know, we deal with people all the time in intelligence and the, um, and in our area we get people to give us information, so that we know what’s going on . . .

SALEM Uh huh.

FLOYD We’re not interested in arresting people, etc. Obviously, there are times when, you know, we find out that an American citizen is selling secrets, or whatever, we have to stop them. . . .

FLOYD And I said, just like, you know, the I.R.A., I said, you know, what do you think that the Brits got caught with their pants down because they thought that, you know, that it would only happen in Ireland?

SALEM Uh huh . . .

FLOYD And then when they started blowing up in London they realized that they, you know, that these people would take their cause wherever they have to to further the cause.

SALEM Uh huh.

FLOYD I said, you have to monitor these people. You have to know what’s going on. I said Amid was even shocked that we allowed these people in the country in the first place!

FLOYD So, I mean, you know, I told them that you know, that, I didn’t think that there’s . . . I felt that the people on the squad, that they didn’t have a clue of how to operate these things. That the supervisors didn’t know what was going on. That they hadn’t taken the time to learn the history or to sit down and talk to him and use him for knowledge.

SALEM Uh huh. . . .

FLOYD I know they had something going, but I know that it was poo-pooed and I know that’s part of the, ah, problem, and that’s one of the things they’re looking at.

SALEM You think it’s a good idea to meet Mr., ah, the President, Bill Clinton, to let him know?

FLOYD Huh?

SALEM To, do you think it’s a good idea to meet the President, let him know?

FLOYD Ah.

SALEM I can call him and ask to meet him.

FLOYD As in President Clinton?

SALEM Ya.

FLOYD Well I mean you could, I mean, you could, as a U.S. citizen you can talk to whoever you want to talk to, but I mean I think that you might want to see if you can get in touch, you know, talk with [ deputy New York City F.B.I. director William ] Gavin and sit down and . . .

Correction [in this NY Times archive]:

An article yesterday about Emad A. Salem, the informer helping the Government in New York City terrorism cases, referred to him incorrectly at one point. It was he who began to help the F.B.I. again after the World Trade Center bombing. (Mohammed A. Salameh is a defendant in the bombing, not an informer.)

–Mary W Maxwell is a graduate of Adelaide Law School, and is assistant editor of Gumshoe News.

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  1. In Paragraph 3 of that NYT article we see this:

    “The transcripts, which were put under seal by a Federal judge, have been obtained by The New York Times.”

    In light of Shane Dowling’s being imprisoned for contempt court, I wonder if the officers of the NY Times were held to be in contempt of court.

    and was the leaker (a court or DoJ employee) punished for discharging sealed documents?

    I learned that compliance with “D notices” sent to the Brutish press by government is voluntary.

    If someone can answer this QQ please do: Do you have to be “in court” to be eligible for the judge to hold you in contempt? Do you have to be one of the parties to the case?

    When I attended the Inquest hearings in Sydney regarding the Lindt Cafe, I obeyed the judge’s orders to suppress the name of the psychiatrist on the hostage negotiating team. Had i not done so, would I be in contempt of court? Or have committed a crime?

    I have not followed the Shane Dowling case at KangarooCourt website. I think Shane’s sin was to reveal the name of 2 women who had an affair with a personage. But whether he disobeyed a judge’s specific order to him, I don’t know.

    P.S. There is a famous case in the US of Katherine Graham deciding to “honor our First Amendment rights” by publishing The Pentagon Papers that were leaked by Daniel Ellsberg. My interpretation of that episode is that the government wanted them leaked by Ellsberg and of course wanted them published by WaPo. Ditto the COINTELPRO papers. Ditto the Abu Ghraib photos.

  2. More on the Adelaide person(s). I don’t know enough to offer an opinion.I will quote Adelaide Advertiser for the remainder of this comment:

    Paedophile vigilante sting at railway station in Adelaide
    SA NEWS
    Alleged ‘Adelaide Pedo Hunter’ Richard Paul Warner facing Commonwealth charges for misuse of the internet
    Sean Fewster, Chief Court Reporter, The Advertiser. March 28, 2018 4:46pm
    Alleged ‘pedo hunter’ arrested, charged over stings
    Alleged ‘pedo hunter’ says case will challenge SA identity laws

    ALLEGED “Adelaide Pedo Hunter” Richard Paul Warner has been charged with menacing people over the internet — and now faces a maximum three-year jail term.

    In the Adelaide Magistrates Court on Wednesday, Commonwealth prosecutors filed two new charges against Warner, 42.

    They allege that, on two occasions between December 13 and 20 last year, he used the internet to “menace, harass or cause offence” to another person.

    Warner is already facing one aggravated charge, laid by SA Police, of assault that was allegedly recorded on video and posted on the internet.

    Previously, prosecutors have alleged Warner is the self-styled masked vigilante who undertook citizen’s arrests of men who agreed to meet after he posed, online, as a teenage boy.

    On Wednesday, counsel for Warner asked for an adjournment to consider the Commonwealth charges, saying they had yet to be provided with the full brief of evidence.

    Warner was remanded on continuing bail until May.

  3. Relating the US and Adelaide experiences of sting operations, citizens arrest, and self defense activities, I have formed the view that government today (regardless of political party) has an agenda of gradual erosion of human rights and democracy, to the point under which they will no longer exist.

    We saw this under John Howard’s new sedition laws… laws which should not exist in a free society. All human beings are entitled to renounce a government that they feel is repressive. Government itself must be an entity actively supported by the citizenry or it is merely a military autocracy; the machinery of tyranny. In a free society the electorate is the boss. As Thomas Paine put it: “The People are the source of all authority”.

    That all NATO governments oppose this axiom was made explicit when all members and associate members (ie Australia, Israel, and NZ) unanimously adopted the statement that the Crimea Referendum was illegal. By its very nature, no referendum can be illegal. That this referendum, demonstrating that 97% of Crimeans wanted re-entry into the Russian protection umbrella, is denounced by the entire West, tells us that there is a dialogue going on that we citizens are not a part of. By definition this is a conspiracy… a notion for which all lick-spittle Murdoch-compliant journalists will rejoice.

    The mere fact that both the ALP and LNP oppose the principle of electorally-formulated policy is ipso facto evidence of conspiracy because no party-branch plebiscite mandated this. We saw this seamless complicity the day after Pauline Hanson’s 1996 parliamentary maiden speech, when a survey showed 94% of Australians supported her objectives, triggering a crisis-summit of both major parties to prevent the re-establishment of democracy (BTW, John Pasquarelli wrote the speech, for which Hanson later sacked him).

    My sources tell me that Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard all supported the crushing of First Nation, and it was the ALP’s Left Link gang who beat up and hospitalised the age pensioners who attended one of Hanson’s meetings. Ergo, the duopoly alliance accepts that violence is justified to prevent democracy and human rights.

    From this manifest situation we can reasonably conclude that any actions of self-defense are regarded as anathema to government, to police, to the judiciary, and to the entity who orchestrates all of this.

    To not identify that entity would be to encourage yet more oh-so-familiar journalistic accusations of conspiracy theories so let me just say that all trails lead back to Rupert Murdoch, Frank Lowy, and Ross Ganaut (ex of Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission); and also to the current occupier of governorship of the Reserve Bank of Australia.

    The replacement of political party branch election of candidates for parliament, with preselection by invisible hierarchies, marked the end of effective electoral influence.

    In other words, we engage in self-defense or counter-crime measures at our peril. I was present when four senior Queensland police officers threatened a Maroochydore Neighbourhood Watch group for daring to survey 97% opposition to judicial leniency for violent criminals. The Secretary for that Neighbourhood Watch Branch, an aging German woman, told me afterwards it sent a chill up her spine. It was all too familiar.

    • Tony, re the Maroochydore women being bullied y 4 cops, they could break out in the Berry-Mum song: “Every bully is a coward, every bully is a coward, every bully is a coooooowwwwwaaarrd, cried the fair young mai-ai-den.”

      Q. Does you guitar have 12 strings?
      .

    • Twenty years ago I remember seeing a newspaper clip pinned to the notice board of a local gun club. It was headed “Round in a Flash” and the gist was: “ When thieves broke into my pad last week I rang 000. No one showed up so a few hours later I rang back to say ‘Don’t worry I managed to scare them off with my shotgun’. Within minutes of that call the place was surrounded by a sea of flashing lights and sirens”

      In the interim everything I’ve witnessed 1st hand has done nothing but affirm that the sole purpose of the State and Federal Police “services” is to protect the Ruling Elite from a potential insurgency

  4. While my previous comment is off subject, it parallels Tony Ryan’s comments, perfectly about the actions of politicians, who have created the monster of the Big Four Banks or supposedly “too big to fail” fairy story.

    They will fail, taking with them all of our savings and most of the superannuation funds of millions of people.

  5. Quoting Dee from yesterday:
    “I’d suggest you pass your information on on Damian Bugg et al to the police immediately — at the police station.”

    My answer it doesn’t work. I’ve tried it.

    When I sent by registered mail, a letter to the Australian Crime Commission, requesting an investigation into the lies in court told by Bugg and an investigation into the A.F.P. attacks upon my computer, I put the wrong address information on the envelope and it was returned. I then delivered it personally.

    I handed the manila envelope to the armed officer in flack jacket on duty, but he refused to take it. He instead demanded my purpose for being there. I told him I wanted to lay a formal complaint to the A.C.C. I was told to wait while he spoke to someone behind his fortified compartment.

    A plain-clothed cop came from a side door & introduced himself and marched me to an interview room. Here he demanded to know what I my problem was. As I was telling my story, he was scanning through the paperwork that I had supplied. Then he started to interrogate me as though I was the criminal. He said, “I can’t investigate this”. I blew my top , which was not typical of me. I grab my bag and took off, after stating, “then this is the end of democracy”, I actually meant justice. He came chasing after me saying, “I can’t investigate this, I will have to take it to boys upstairs”. I shouted I don’t care who investigates this I want it investigated”, then took off.

    A couple of weeks prior to this incidence, I had downloaded a story of two journalist in Tasmania who had been investigating unsolved murders and missing people in the area of illegal drug dealings. They had come to the conclusion that there was a definite connection and that the drug boss of Tasmania was Damien Bugg.

    As I was about to take off for the Australian Crime Commission, my eyes fell on this information, so I picked it up and put it in the envelope with the other info. Unfortunately I didn’t have another copy, so my work is now in the hands of the A.C.C. and I can’t relocate it on the internet.

    If you think back to this, you may find yourself coming up with the explanation, why Damien Bugg when appointed to the position of Federal Public Prosecutor was allowed to practise from Hobart rather than from Canberra. Killing two birds with one stone?

  6. Due to my work on the Port Arthur Massacre project, I have come to the belief that the A.F.P, the Australian Crime Commission, the Federal Ombudsman Office, and the Office of the Governor General, do not operate to the rules of their Charters. The Coronial Office in N.S.W. appeared to be no different.

    So approaching any of them for a legal matter is somewhat self-defeating.

  7. Mary, answer to your question:

    His apparent tasks of the Federal Public Prosecutor and the drug scene master. Of course there were probably more than two deaths because of the drug business.

    Why else would the F.P.P. need to operate from another capital, other than Canberra?

    I suggest that because of the cover-up that the court proceedings provided, Damien Bugg would be in a position to name, names, therefore have a hold on many politicians, (both state & federal)intelligent officers, police officers and commissioners and a certain funeral director, forever. What a position of power?

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