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Revisiting the Lindt Cafe Hostage Taking

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Standing at back of cafe, looking to the black desk, behind which is the main glass door at corner of Philip St and Martin Place

by Dee McLachlan and Mary W Maxwell

Intro by Mary Maxwell

On December 15, 2014, Man Haron Monis told the Lindt Cafe manager, Tori Johnson, to lock the doors. Thus began the “siege” in which Australians were told of their first Islamic terrorist incident.

The fact that Islamic terrorism might be involved was conveyed in the gunman’s demand for an ISIS flag, and the fact that he said “Australia is under attack.” He claimed to have friends in three locations, including Circular Quay (near Opera House), with bombs ready to set off.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott made the announcement “I can think of nothing more terrifying and distressing than to be caught up in such a situation.”

Most Australians went to bed that night not knowing what was happening and not knowing that police had identified the terrorist as Man Haron Monis, a man who had been in the news over some letters he wrote to the parents of Diggers (Oz soldiers) who had died in Afghanistan.

Just after 2am, six more hostages escaped and Monis shot a warning shot over their heads. He then reportedly killed the manager Tori Johnson. Police stormed in via the main door and a side door and shot Monis dead. Katrina Dawson, mother of three small children, died from stray bullets. Three others were wounded: Marcia Mikhael, Robin Hope, and her daughter Louisa Hope.

A coroner’s inquest ensued in 2016, which I attended. Subsequently, I wrote a book entitled “Inquest: Siege in Sydney.”

Having checked Worldcat.org, I see that my book is held in most state libraries of Australia as well as the National Library.  But absolutely nowhere else! This book surely fell between the cracks. But it is quite complete and proves that the honesty of the event was, as commenter Paul out it, at three-dollar bill level.

I am going to print a revised edition. Thumbing through it, I see that Dee wrote a piece at the end, in which she enumerated four ways in which the “Negotiate with the Hostage Taker” rules were flagrantly disobeyed.  I will now print that here. and under it, raise a few more questions.

Welcome to the Sydney Siege Theatre by Dee McLachlan

All aspects of the way the police acted during the Lindt Café siege point to a “staged performance.” At Gumshoe News I have repeatedly shown how the appropriate military persons were stood down during the 9-11 attacks in New York. The same occurred during the Port Arthur massacre of 1996.

My article “Permission denied; this has to happen” describes that day at the Seascape Cottage where a hostage situation was (allegedly) in progress. Tasmanian constables had the gunman in their sights but were not allowed to shoot him! Several personnel, including volunteer firemen, heard a senior police officer on the radio respond to the request to shoot: ‘Permission denied; this has to happen.’ Now we ask: What happened at the Lindt Cafe on 15-16 December 2014? Was permission to shoot denied?

Let me list aspects of the siege that make no sense to me as a “real world” event. The mainstream media, updated by the police, were broadcasting a dramatic story that on the surface seemed logical — but the detail tells another tale.

Four peculiarities of that day are: 1. lack of any negotiation with the gunman, 2. omission of any attempt to free the hostages, 3. a deliberate attempt to keep tensions high, 4. a decision to avoid scanning the stronghold for opportunities to disable the terrorist.

All of that smacks of a stand-down. This is a vital point!

Rule #1 in a hostage crisis: Talk to the hostage taker. Rule broken.

ABC reported on 15 December 2015, that:  “Commissioner Scipione confirmed police were negotiating with the gunman and were focused on resolving the stand-off as safely as possible.”

How did this lie surface on the ABC? An ABC report a week later, entitled, “…Police ‘missed opportunities’ to engage with Man Haron Monis,” said: “Expert negotiators have told the inquest into the Lindt Cafe siege that New South Wales police negotiators missed a number of opportunities to engage with gunman Man Haron Monis.”

That’s ridiculous – how could there be 17 hours of missed opportunities? “Ms Smith, who has trained forces in Iraq, said it was concerning negotiators failed to make direct contact with Monis, and different tactics should have been employed rather than trying to engage through the hostages.”

No, they were NOT trying to engage through the hostages. The hostages were trying to reach police but were mostly ignored. The police could have called the number on the café’s website — or return-called one of the hostage’s mobiles and asked: “Please pass the phone to the gunman.”

Also, several people on the outside had asked for a chance to talk to Monis. Muslims offered to ask the Grand Mufti to intervene. Good idea — that would show up Monis’ claims to be acting on behalf of Islam. But this idea was shelved.

NSW Police Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn said they did not take up offers from Muslim community leaders to help in negotiations as they did not want to “put hostages’ lives in the hands of ‘amateurs’. But, Ms Burn, there were NO NEGOTIATIONS to help with.

The media and the Assistant Police Commissioner were giving us a different story — announcing that negotiations were in process. (I remember seeing a video of a press conference where Ms Burn was implying that they were in negotiations — but can no longer find it.) Was this incompetence? IMPOSSIBLE! The non-negotiate tactic had to be deliberate.

Rule #2 in a hostage crisis: Try to free the hostages. Rule broken.

No action was taken to bargain for, or free, any hostages. You would think attempts would have been made to establish communication — then build a rapport, so as to start bargaining with food or things (flags) for the release of hostages. “We are trying to locate an ISIS flag. Could take some time.” But is everyone all right? Is anyone hurt?”

Nothing. Zip.

Rule #3.  In a hostage crisis, create calm and play the incident down to improve chances for a better outcome. Rule broken.

Panic and tension will lead to bad outcomes. It is a known fact that there are three especially dangerous periods during a hostage crisis. The first is the initial 15-45 minutes when there is confusion and panic, the second is during the release or escape of hostages, and the third is when tactical assault teams rush in to end the crisis.

Negotiation strategies yield the greatest success in resolving a hostage crisis; tactical assault carries the highest casualty rate.

So why did the police choose the most dangerous option over the safest option? To create theatre?

Think of how this tension affected the forces on the ground — escalating the danger. Were these troops told it was (cleric) Monis? If not, why not? And why did the police deliberately keep Monis’s name from the public? To create more theatre?

Interestingly, Monis had famously worn “religious” or clerical robes for Family Court matters or when attracting publicity — but on the day of the siege he wore a baseball cap and jeans. Was this a wardrobe malfunction — or was it designed to conceal his identity for as long as possible?

The Commander of the Terrorism Intelligence Unit admitted “Monis emerged as the most likely suspect by mid-afternoon.” And Detective Melanie Staples, recognised him around 12:00 noon. She alerted senior detectives in State Crime Command.

(Ah, was Prime Minister Tony Abbott ever told that this was the “cleric” who chained himself to the courthouse stairs?)

But the police (and media) deliberately suppressed his name until most citizens had gone to bed for the night. This would keep folks thinking of the worst case terrorist-scenario — allowing the drama of this “terrorist” event to be all theatre.

Rule #4 in a hostage crisis. Watch what’s happening, for the off-moment when you could disable the gunman. Rule broken.

The Lindt Cafe is a veritable “fish tank” with glass on all sides. No hostage taker in their right mind would choose such a vulnerable location. Monis was either not in his right mind — or the location was chosen for him. Common sense tells us that the “fish tank” could have been breached in order to disable the gunman.

Police looked super fierce and combat-like on the news reports that were broadcast worldwide, but they were well back almost all the time.

On the surface this may look like timidity or incompetence. But the facts seem to point to deliberate non-interference, a waiting strategy. Were they waiting for one of the fish to die in the fish tank?

You would imagine that the police would have attempted to establish audio and visual surveillance. What about sticking a small camera with chewing gum on one of the windows, or in the swinging doors of the Jordan Library?

Conclusion

Seven months ago I wrote at Gumshoe: “It wasn’t until about 8pm, 10 hours after the siege began, that a portable monitor was set up at the forward command post showing a live feed from a camera inside the Channel Seven building immediately opposite the Martin Place cafe, the inquest has been told today.”

Ten hours to set up a live feed? They could have asked any savvy kid on the street to do it 20 minutes. Pop along to Harvey Norman and get a couple of remote (night vision) wireless security cameras, then flip open a laptop.

Maybe these people should all be fired.

I can’t help thinking that the four “broken rules” of hostage situations lead to the conclusion that the Lindt Cafe siege was theatre — a staged affair.

— end of Dee McLachlan’s presentation

Questions That Reveal the Three-Dollar-Bill Level of the Siege

(If media has given an answer, I’ll write it in parenthesis):

  1. It is said that there was a CCTV camera inside the Café. Is it the kind that records? Did Lindt have recordings of the prior few months, e.g., to see if Monis did a recky?
  1. Is there any evidence of his planning this dramatic event?
  2. About that sawed-off shotgun – how did he acquire it?
  1. For a short while Monis joined a bikie gang – what was that in aid of? Will bikies be called to the Inquest?
  1. On December 15, was he chauffeured to Martin Place?
  1. On what basis was Monis granted refugee status in Oz? Regarding Monis’ early background, we see in the Inquest documents that a man named Mr Miranda provided almost all the court’s knowledge of Monis’ life prior to 1996 in Iran. To my amazement he was not called to give sworn testimony!
  1. How many of the 18 hostages were regulars in the Café? (Eight were café staff; three barristers were regulars, as were 4 Westpac employees.)
  1. One man was over age 80, two women were pregnant. Did anyone suggest that these persons be excused? (Yes, 19-year-old Jarrod suggested it to Monis.)
  1. How were some, but not all, able to escape unharmed? Did all hostages know that the fire exit was usable?
  1. How many hostages had cell phones? Were they asked to forfeit them? (Yes, he told them to put their phones and drivers’ licences on the tables, said the Daily Telegraph.)
  1. At this late date, how can we expect to get answers? Not from the media, as the hostages are reported to have signed deals with Channel 7 not to talk with any other outlet! (Exception: Louisa Hope says she won’t sell her story.)

So it’s essential that the Inquest provide this data.

  1. What did police do? What procedures were in place?
  1. Is it a matter for NSW only, or were the feds called in?
  1. If feds, was it the AFP (Australian Police Force) or the ADF (Australian Defense Force), or both? Was SAS (Special Air Services) put on alert? When a hostage-taker mentions loyalty to another country, is there a protocol about involving the ADF, or Parliament? (Monis said “Australia is under attack.”)
  1. As the various hostages held the black banner up at the Martin Place windows, they did not appear to be looking around for help, or trying to mouth a message; why is that? Did Monis forbid them to communicate even with their eyes? (Yes, he did.) Could he monitor that?
  1. Did any police outside try to get their attention? (Yes, one officer said at Inquest that he raised a finger to the person at the window as though to ask “Is there only one gunman?”)
  1. When the first three escaped, we see on the video that no helper from the police department, such as a social worker or doctor, seemed to approach them, despite their trauma. Those three persons must have revealed to police the general nature of what was happening as well as any hints as to how Monis could be tackled or tricked. Is that correct?
  1. Was Monis listening to radio or Internet during the day, to learn the reaction of government or of the public? (Yes, and he asked hostages to research this, too.)
  1. Who informed Monis that his two requests wouldn’t be granted, and when? (I learned from police testimony that Monis was not informed as to any official stance.)
  1. How did he react to that? (Inquest: “With agitation.”)
  1. It was said (at a hearing that I attended) that one hostage had conveyed the message at 9:30pm that Monis demanded that the glaring lights of Martin Place be turned off or he would kill Selina. The negotiator said he did not know of this until 12.30am. Who did know of it?
  1. How did that negotiator learn of it at 12.30am?
  1. How did the plans for a termination of the siege, by police, progress during the 17 hours?
  1. Could not a distractive technique (such as dogs or a smoke bomb) have been used to put Monis off guard and then police rush in? (I recall Noreiga being forced out by loud music.)
  1. At times during the day, some hostages reportedly accompanied one another to the toilets. Did they collude? Australians are entitled to know what hostages did to save their own lives. It’s hard to believe that 18 adults wouldn’t have been able to find an escape, or to tackle the gunman.

 

 

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  1. If only they could have set up a mock cafe to train with 5.56. Sure the brotherhood frowns on such.
    Want a rabbit hole go down, the Dawson WA arts. Coffee and court can be crazy and connected, wink.
    I for one wellcome the FBI

  2. Ladies – you ask the right questions, but I doubt if honest answers will ever be forthcoming while the Freemasons believe they still rule.

    Police response to ‘critical incidents’ has become micromanaged since the mid 1980s.

    The incident you highlight was undoubtedly a false flag event.

    I have been involved in a few ‘critical incidents’ as a policeman – and being forced to respond with stand down tactics and ‘kid gloves’, when immediate intervention/force was required at many of those ‘critical incidents’ – tends to make one doubt the credible ability of police senior management and who get to take control over such situations, to resolve even a simple domestic incident, where only a heated argument has taken place.

    All police forces world wide have deliberately been turned into Keystone Kops in order to ‘limit’ casualties. Such an attitude enforced onto front line police, has proven to me at least, that kind of thinking poses far too many risks to the required resolution and survival of all involved in those ‘critical incidents’, especially, where hostages are taken.

    All by design of course, to lessen the effectiveness of police responses, especially to those planned false flag events.

  3. The whole thing was a hoax, about a year before this farce was enacted there was a hostage taking trainee exercise at that very cafe, what a coincidence, as it happens I am very familiar with that cafe as I used to deliver food to it when it was a restaurant and the kitchen is downstairs and roughly the same size as the upper floor, the entrance to the kitchen was the fire exit that some of the hostages escaped through in Philip St, you go in the door then down the steps to the kitchen and then on the other side, right behind where the photo was taken, are the steps up to deliver the food to the diners, given that there had been a hostage exercise in that very place the police must have known that fact and that they could have sent an officer through there to come up in the cafe behind Man Monis who was at the front of the shop next to Martin Place, it would have been easy to create a diversion and then to have ambushed him from behind, by the way the fire exit can’t be seen from inside either, the whole thing stinks, at the time I tried to find out what happened to his body but there was nothing, given that I don’t believe that he was killed but more likely sent back the the ME with a big fat cheque in his pocket.

    • What you’ve apparently missed is that rarely is there any sort of rational rapport or co ordination within “The Force” . In other words they’re being constantly played by certain unseen powers just as Monis was

  4. It’s amazing how they get away with their lies, by pumping them on ABC-TV and the owned networks. At the moment the ABC is constantly pumping Global Warming which they have re-branded ClimateChange™. The idiot puppet of the UN who from memory is called Guterres or similar, is today saying the world is “boiling”. They are becoming desperate and they speak to the converted, their brainwashed hordes who cannot think but can only repeat what they saw on TV and this passes for their thoughts. Just look at the world weather maps or any number of weather sources and you can see the weather is normal anywhere, and there are arsonists running about. Now, we must not speak of arsonists because the world is burning up because the temperature has gone up by one degree they say, so we will all surely die. The TV is responsible for pumping out all this nonsense and none of the mugs who work there will stand up or stand together and apologise for constantly broadcasting so much rubbish for so many years.
    We are governed by a collection of sold-out infiltrating and brain dead puppets who seem to be hostage to their large mortgages and will do or say anything at all for more money, as PaulCraigRoberts calls them, presstitutes.

  5. What’s the point of owning the whole world and everything in it, creating a slave class and going beyond replacing humans with AI and robots that look like people?

    Major problem here in Oz is that all news we’re exposed to is filtered through hidden hands, most have no idea, a few billionaires well on their way becoming trillionaires.
    Our votes count as much as pissing against the wind, all perpetraitors chosen in advance.

    • Various forms of psychopathy hold no empathy toward other Humans – they see us as their slaves to do with as they please. That is their makeup, and the controlling influencers over those who have no human empathy and want to control everything, are all psychopaths.

      That is what the mind doctors of today will tell you, but in a more spiritually enlightened time of Humanity, those who did as they pleased to their slaves were said to be Devils.

  6. the term climate change was enacted not by the ABC, and climate change is now more than real, if you actually observe record temps daily and worldwide wild fires.

    • The so called statistics are lies and the fires are by arsonists.
      Things do not burst into flames just because it’s a warm day.
      People like you need to understand the ABC is totally controlled.
      The latitude they are allowed is occasionally extended a bit just to keep you fooled.

    • If that truly is your thinking Lauchlan, then you are being misled. Have you bothered yourself to check out where these so called ‘boiling temperatures’ are actually being recorded from? Expand your thinking, otherwise, you are going to be shocked at what becomes exposed over the next weeks and months as to what our reality truly is.

      • I think they have planetary boiling in Iceland, Yellowstone and New Zealand, it’s a tourist attraction. The Gutteres of the UN should go and boil his head

        • Indeed Joe – Interesting, that I had a conversation with my next door neighbor yesterday – he is near 40 old – he asked me what I thought of the U.N. chief telling the world that the planet is about to go boiling over – LOL!

          I asked him if he believed what was said – he told me – ‘well, this July has been a warm month, I was listening to the radio, and I just don’t know.’

          I said to him – ‘it’s all bullshit, I’ve seen warmer July’s over my time, in fact, even much warmer winters to the point I once referred to them as pretend winters.’

          He was genuinely concerned, such bad news coming from the U.N. and all. Sigh!

          That is the kind of indoctrination we are up against.

      • From the comments:
        “Sure.. management plays a part Bill, but I bet the majority are arson, or those sneaky so&so’s DEW’s (directed energy weapons) from up on high.
        It was DEW’s responsible for the majority of Californian fires. The incineration of the buildings had to be seen to be believed.. even glass and porcelain toilets were totally destroyed..”

  7. Quote “The idiot puppet of the UN who from memory is called Guterres or similar, is today saying the world is “boiling”.Unquote. This very same “idiot” supports the Western aggression in Ukraine. Not a whimper from him or his organisaton the U.N. in regard to the damage this war is causing to the climate. Apparently all the explosives and fire are harmless to the climate/environment.
    Or is it just me, that sees the hypocrisy in their words and actions ? Yet folks still believe the hype, despite the contradictory evidence staring us in the face ?
    What the hell is wrong with people today ?

  8. Again Nemesis–your comments resonate at a level both “comforting” and “discomforting”. for me the beauty of us gumshoe-ers who use Dee’s platform 2013– and Mary’s collaboration as a co-author with her “number 77” at a later date.

    Arrghh you like “me” are a “super sleuth” gumshoer (the origins of that “word” which brings us together as “truth tellers” within our “limited knowledge” and personal lived experience)- united by something related to what we wear on our feet. For me London. londinium——-{hey Simon Anthony et al I hear you}

    Your comment “Ladies – who ask the right questions”.
    I guess the ladies you address are Dee McLachlan and Mary W Maxwell –I have met them both travelled with them both-shared their stories face to face-yes both—I respect them both.

    So I will respond as best I can —on topic –to Mary’s
    “A coroner’s inquest ensued in 2016, which I attended. Subsequently, I wrote a book entitled “Inquest: Siege in Sydney.””

    ps : Keith, Lauchlan and itchy vet -I welcome your comments–am processing

    Arrgghh for Mary and Dee –writers authors investigative journalists

    So I get to my -“inner voice” to support Dee and Mary and this article: Mary says–
    “Having checked Worldcat.org, I see that my book is held in most state libraries of Australia as well as the National Library. But absolutely nowhere else! This book surely fell between the cracks. But it is quite complete and proves that the honesty of the event was, as commenter Paul out it, at three-dollar bill level.
    I am going to print a revised edition. Thumbing through it, I see that Dee wrote a piece at the end, in which she enumerated four ways in which the “Negotiate with the Hostage Taker” rules were flagrantly disobeyed. I will now print that here. and under it, raise a few more questions.”

    I ask Dee and Mary are you aware of:-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN
    The International Standard Book Number (ISBN) is a numeric commercial book identifier that is intended to be unique.[a][b] Publishers purchase or receive ISBNs from an affiliate of the International ISBN Agency.[1]”

    will follow up

    yes nemesis nothing is what it seems

    for Dee and Mary
    “An ISBN is assigned to each separate edition and variation (except reprintings) of a publication. For example, an e-book, a paperback and a hardcover edition of the same bookwill each have a different ISBN. The ISBN is ten digits long if assigned before 2007, and thirteen digits long if assigned on or after 1 January 2007.[c] The method of assigning an ISBN is nation-specific and varies between countries, often depending on how large the publishing industry is within a country.
    The initial ISBN identification format was devised in 1967, based upon the 9-digit Standard Book Numbering (SBN) created in 1966. The 10-digit ISBN format was developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was published in 1970 as international standard ISO 2108 (the 9-digit SBN code can be converted to a 10-digit ISBN by prefixing it with a zero).
    Privately published books sometimes appear without an ISBN. The International ISBN Agency sometimes assigns such books ISBNs on its own initiative.[3]”

    • Diane – sometimes knowing what your inner self is telling you to be wary of – and I have had that ‘gut feeling’ on many occasions during my life, especially as a policeman, while heeding those warnings has kept me out of harms way, it can also be a double edged sword when attempting to warn others about what my ‘gut feeling’ is telling me is coming.

      .So, I thank you for your kind words of encouragement.

      .

    • Very important to listen and watch the lady from the European Parliament from about 30 mins FOR ABOUT TEN, relating on how our politicians have planned to surrender Australia and YOU TO THE WHO.
      Remember: men and women died for you BY DEFENDING AUSTRALIA SO
      At least think THANK THEM and listen.
      Try and listen to ALL OF THE REPORT FROM MARY…..

      • Note.
        t note the latest optimistic Fulford report at RMN from a week past. With the Q and section.
        The cafe, as with other similar events, like the Kennedy murders, can be debated till doomsday, but nothing will come from the efforts until there is some official disclosures.
        I look at the PRESENT developments and try to gauge and place the dots.
        We need to concentrate on tomorrow …. It is a matter of survival perhaps?
        However ‘despair’ is a serious sin.

        • at 5:00 “The Supreme Court has ruled that agencies formed by the congress aren’t part of the republic, such as the CIA FBI IRS NIH CDC FDA and even local school boards … the US Govt could be pruned back to 10%”
          This item came shortly after some made-up stuff from realrawnews.
          But let’s say it’s true, would it not play into the hands of Globalists who are funding a communist takeover via the Russia-China alliance. The USA would change from totally corrupt to totally inward looking, places like Australia would be cut loose, we would devolve from allies to clients. With the USD in a death spiral we would be told we have to jump to CBDCs “for safety”.
          Don’t forget our planet is boiling. I see they have arsonists running everywhere in Canada now, burning random places all over the country. What we need is more safety, someone call DuPont Industries, there must be some safety products we can buy with our allocated CBDCs and SDRs

          • They said something would happen in July, now it has shifted to August 4th, OK. Looking at the M$M they are not on my planet either.
            Very interesting at 31:20 we are reminded of Ken and Barbie who deified the IRS and were tax free for 30 years, suddenly the M$M has given us the “Ken and Barbie Movie” which like the recent Child Trafficking Movie is thrown together to stitch up ownership. Now the Globalist owns all Ken and Barbie stories as well as the Child Trafficking narratives.

          • Joe,
            Things are happening and not all is seen.
            For some things now been seen look up the latest video at BIN: ‘and we know; NCSWIC. MAKING WAVES! Exposure on All Levels! Demons Exposed! Ukraine Pray- Video. Opinion- Conservative!
            If you watch, you may appreciate That Things Are Happening.

      • “Goons in science fiction costumes are here to save us”
        Just looking at the splash screen and the production is enough for me.
        The propaganda is more sophisticated today than in Leni Riefenstahl’s time,
        and it’s relentless

  11. As I said back in 2016,Katrina Dawson,didn’t “die from stray bullets” but rather her vicinity to Man Haron Monis coupled with the fact that, for some reason best known to themselves, the Po didn’t use the ammunition that would have ruled out such collateral damage

    • “Ballistics expert Lucas van der Walt on Monday told the inquest into the siege a bullet from a police rifle fragmented as it travelled through a chair before hitting Ms Dawson in the rear right shoulder, causing several injuries.’
      https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/barrister-katrina-dawson-was-hit-seven-times-by-police-bullet-fragments/news-story/bb0cf0ef2ec40638319c2d3578547a9c

      Point being that the decision to use fragmenting ammo in such a situation has never been questioned/explained

      • elspeth – the only ammo that won’t fragment on impact with an inanimate or animate object are armor piercing rounds.

        To my knowledge, police are not equipped with armor piercing rounds.

        • I believe he, Monis, was alleged to have joined a OMG, or a ‘Bikie’ club at some point prior to him ‘going off the rails’ at the Lindt Cafe.

          You want a firearm without a licence? then join a OMG, or be friends with a member of such illustrious gangs, but one thing that stands out to me, is that folks like Monis, would not have been accepted into any ‘Bikie Club’.

          Monis joining a ‘bikie club’ is just another Deep state red herring to distract those who have more interest in this incident than just plain curiosity.

          • THIS WAS MISTAKENLY POSTED BELOW:

            How naive would you have to be to think that the only way of acquiring an unlicensed gun in Aus is via a bikie mafia ?

            Contrary to mainstream belief every attempt to keep a comprehensive registry has always been a complete flop and the black-market has naturally always been largely commandeered by the Po themselves

            As all guns are issued with a serial number it wouldn’t have been hard to track the means by which one wound up in Monis’s hands – unless of course said identity had been drilled out.
            But no official press release ever disclosed any such thing. There was just a lame-arse attempt to get rid of the problem via a vague allusion to a “grey market”
            What a joke!

          • elspeth – any serial number on any firearm is able to ground off – only the truly stupid crook would not bother with that simple procedure.

            And it may interest you to know that firearms are the target of nearly every break and enter committed in this state where ‘gun owners’ are known to live.

            The only reason for the firearms registry is to target those ‘gun owners’ houses to steal their weaponry. And that has been ongoing for decades.

            In all probability, Monis was probably issued with the firearm he was seen to be toting, by the cops.

      • “Katrina Dawson,didn’t ‘die from stray bullets’ ”
        Even the ABC managed to get that much right:
        “Hostage Katrina Dawson was killed when she was STRUCK BY A NUMBER OF BULLET FRAGMENTS when tactical police forced entry to the Lindt Cafe.”
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-20/sydney-siege-nsw-police-commander-defends-weapon-used-in-siege/7525414

        The abysmal lack of top-to-bottom Po training/finesse also spelled out between the lines of this write-up:
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-09/sydney-siege-officer-charge-of-tactics-no-terrorism-experience/7496852

        • “Mushrooming is the controlled expansion of a bullet upon impact with a target. The bullet is designed to significantly increase in diameter upon impact.

          This controlled expansion is advantageous to police operations in
          minimizing the danger to innocent bystanders and ensuring the delivery of all bullet energy to the intended target.”
          https://projects.nfstc.org/firearms/module10/fir_m10_t09_05_a.htm

          I’ve yet to see any coherent explanation as to why said rout was shunned; a reminder of the cavalier nature of so-called Law Enforcement if ever there was

          • You can imagine the science of ballistics is extensive and exhaustive and very well funded, from dum-dum bullets up to hypersonic, they must know everything by now

          • funding what ?
            It’s all about making sure that everyone including the Po, is ill-informed
            And as that’s the most comfortable place to be it really doesn’t need to be subsidised

          • elspeth – the ‘mushrooming’ effect of the Glock 9mm rounds are less lethal on impact with a human body than a standard copper jacketed lead 9mm Glock round is.

            The, ‘mushrooming expansion’ of the police issue 9mm Glock round, has, and on many occasions during incidents of police being forced to discharge their firearm at an aggressive assailant, only wounded the assailant and not killed them outright, as standard police issued ammunition was once known to do.

            For instance – the Smith and Wesson 38 calibre revolver was a lethal weapon because of the standard police issued ammunition used.

            In my own estimation, anyone shot at by a police officer today who is more than 10 metres from the discharging 9mm Glock, is more likely to be wounded and not killed outright due to the ‘mushrooming effect’ of the ammunition used..

          • How naive would you have to be to think that the only way of acquiring an unlicensed gun in Aus is via a bikie mafia ?

            Contrary to mainstream belief every attempt to keep a comprehensive registry has always been a complete flop and the black-market has naturally always been largely commandeered by the Po themselves

            As all guns are issued with a serial number it wouldn’t have been hard to track the means by which one wound up in Monis’s hands – unless of course said identity had been drilled out.
            But no official press release ever disclosed any such thing. There was just a lame-arse attempt to get rid of the problem via a vague allusion to a “grey market”
            What a joke!

          • RE YOUR July 30, 2023 at 9:02 am COMMENT:

            In other words you totally repudiate the Firearms Examiner Training write-up I posted.
            And as you’re also of the view that the Lindt cafe scenario could only have been diffused by killing Monis you reckon that the slaughter of Katrina Dawson was unavoidabe

  12. “It’s hard to believe that 18 adults wouldn’t have been able to find an escape, or to tackle the gunman.”
    Their passivity is exemplified by the fact that what took place in the Broad Arrow cafe had no effect on the popularity of such venues. So far as I’m concerned the consumer-feelgood ethos is the heart of every such situation and that’s the real killer.

    • Once people fall prey like so their behaviour sure does become, quote “theatre — a staged affair”
      And there’s nothing exactly new or extraordinary about the “Force” being commandeered like so:

        • It’s quite ironic they have to get an immigrant to complain about he immigrants because the locals have all been culturally brainwashed by the TV or just paid off, to put up with an infinite stream of BS

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