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Senator and The Age Promoting COVID-19 Restrictions for Anti-vaxxers

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by Dee McLachlan 

You gotta listen to Raff Ciccone — he knows. He’s a politician (a federal Labor senator for Victoria) and he wrote an (important) opinion piece for The Age entitled, “New COVID-19 restrictions will be needed for anti-vaxxers.”

Important — as it exposes the lack of logic and common sense of those representing us.

Ciccone writes:

“This pandemic feels like we’re in the middle of a real-life Hollywood blockbuster.” [Yep, it has similarities. The plandemic has a polished script with many actors for its global production.]

“…Our world will look and feel very different once the show is over. But not for the better.” [So true! It is a show, and it will not be for the better. Maybe you should have pointed out that it was designed in a bio-weapons lab.]

“Thankfully, the possibility of a vaccine for this virus is looking more plausible. Unfortunately, like a diabolical plot twist, the day the vaccine arrives, so too will the inevitable chorus of those who object to being vaccinated. But unlike hapless movie heroes, we can be prepared for this.”

Ciccone have you read about the failed coronavirus (SARS) vaccine trials?

Have you heard of ‘vaccine-induced enhancement’?

SARS Animal Corona Vaccine Trials

There were several vaccine trials done to come up with a (SARS) coronavirus vaccine. After vaccinating the animals, the outcomes seemed positive, as antibodies were present, and the animals seemingly healthy. However, on reinfection, i.e., when “challenged” with SARS-Cov-1 (SARS) those animals in every one of the studies then reacted poorly. They exhibited ‘vaccine-induced enhancement.’ The process of vaccination and interfering with the animal’s immune system made them more vulnerable to that coronavirus strain.

What about reading up on this study in the American Journal of Virology:

“A Double-Inactivated Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Vaccine Provides Incomplete Protection in Mice and Induces Increased Eosinophilic Proinflammatory Pulmonary Response upon Challenge [reinfection]”

And then, about four years ago, Dr Peter Hotez was trialing a SARS vaccine with animals. NBC News in the US reported (5 March 2020): “Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.” Dr Hortez suggests that the vaccine that he had been working on for SARS in 2016 could have provided cross-protection against COVID-19…

But wait. Later, in the same NBC article, there is the reference to the animals trials:

“Early efforts to develop a SARS vaccine in animal trials were plagued by a phenomenon known as ‘vaccine-induced enhancement,’ in which recipients exhibit worse symptoms after being injected — something (Deep State-owned) Fauci said researchers must be mindful of as they work to quickly develop a vaccine to protect against COVID-19.”

Another study (Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus) concluded with:

“These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge [reinfection] of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced…”

Scientist suggested these trials not advance to humans — as the outcomes were so poor.

Blind Faith Required

So what in the world makes you believe ALL WILL BE WELL once an untested, and un-trialed vaccine is announced?

Where did you source your blind faith? You could bottle it and make a fortune. 

Surely as a representative of the people you should add a cautionary note to your bold statements. I am not saying that a vaccine won’t eventually arrive to market — but how will we know the long-term consequences of such a vaccine?

Why do you think some people are anti-vax? Because there is solid evidence of vaccine injury. Billions of dollars have been paid out. (Maybe listen to Robert F. Kennedy Jr on how big pharma went to Congress because they wanted immunity from the injuries they were propagating.) And your article has a photo of a COVID-19 vaccine candidate being developed by scientists at Imperial College London. Do you know what the RNA on the label means?

Ciccone writes:

“To anti-vaxxers, I have one message: our tolerance for your willful ignorance is over. We cannot afford, morally or economically, to give any ground to those who choose not to be vaccinated against COVID-19.”

Raff Ciccone is a federal Labor senator for Victoria.
Raff Ciccone
Have you been educated on the miracle of the human immune system?

Who has been briefing you on CoV2 and a potential vaccine?

Where were these briefing documents sourced from?

How many hours have you spent studying and educating yourself on RNA vaccines?

You write:
“I’m not advocating that we vaccinate people against their will. That would be wrong.” [Yes you are, and yes, that is wrong.] We must ensure that the safety of our community is the number one priority.”
Really?
Ciccone, maybe gather the data on CoV2 — honestly — so that we can, as you say, avoid “willful ignorance.” How many people that have died, died from other causes (but because they had CoV2 were marked down as a CoV2 death)?
Has there been a study and correlation for those suffering with CoV2 and whether they had 2019/20 flu shot? You see, there is evidence that the flu shot may not be helping.

Viral Interference

The study of 2880 military personnel found that receiving the influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference.

This led me to find DoctorMurray.com where the author confirms what I have been thinking: that the flu shot could increase the risk for coronavirus infection. Doctormurray writes:

“…it appears that the flu shot protects against influenza and it appears some other types of viruses as well, but it comes at a price of actually increasing the risk for coronavirus infections.”

The doctor also refers to the Department of Defense study and cites Dr. Alex Vasquez to warn us that the 2019 super-vax (most likely) interfered with the immune system, explaining:

“…the standard answers of an elderly population and the failure to implement social distancing soon enough just don’t explain what is happening [in Italy]. My colleague, Dr. Alex Vasquez, provided me with a valuable insight. In September 2019, Italy rolled out an entirely new type of influenza vaccine.

“This vaccine called VIQCC is different than others. Most available influenza vaccines are produced in embryonated chicken eggs. VIQCC, however, is produced from cultured animal cells rather than eggs and has more of a “boost” to the immune system as a result. VIQCC also contains four types of viruses – 2 type A viruses (H1N1 and H3N2) and 2 type B viruses. It looks like this “super” vaccine impacted the immune system in such a way to increase coronavirus infection through virus interference that set the stage for what happened in Italy.“

Ciccone’s New World

Imagine a world where the human body is no longer allowed to protect itself — where the miracle of the body’s immune system is forever tampered with. The “madmen” — those who are possibly implicated in the invention of the virus — could be the ones with the solution. Problem Reaction Solution. (Ciconne, have you heard that phrase?)

Very soon, a person trying to protect the sacred body will be, as Ciccone advocates, refused employment, travel, and possibly even food purchasing. I do not want your world. To continue (Ciccone):

“We already have an Australian Immunisation Register in place that tracks a child’s vaccination history. We could expand this program to track what would be the most important vaccination of this century to the population. There are those who for medical reasons cannot receive vaccinations and would rightly receive an exemption.”

Why allow them an exemption? What is a medical exemption? Oh, they can prove that they will be “injured” by the vaccine?

Final Questions to Ciccone

You write: “I have no interest in your alternative ‘facts’ or your conspiracy theories.” But, I am not putting forward conspiracy theories — I present to you logic, and common sense, so could you please answer these few questions.

Mr Ciccone, why on earth would a person that has CoV2 antibodies (naturally) in their system be now forced to have a vaccine? (Do you get the logic?)

And why would 70% of the population be forced to have a vaccine when the mortality rate is close to zero? (Maybe you should ban alcohol and all driving until age 30 to keep the younger generation “safe” — as the mortality rate for those activities would be far higher. Suicide would be higher.)

If vaccinations REALLY WORK — then vaccinate the vulnerable. If your logic on a vaccination is correct, they won’t be affected — they’ll be “safe” and protected from CoV2 — BECAUSE they would have been vaccinated. (Oh, maybe it won’t work.)

How can you be sure today that a vaccine (not yet tested) will (1) actually work, and (2) not create long-term harm to the human race? (What if the vaccine has a higher harm-rate than CoV2? We possibly won’t know that until a few years down the track.)

And, finally, who encouraged you to write your opinion piece?

I would encourage you to end your willful ignorance, and add logic and caution to your (paid) opinions.

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53 COMMENTS

  1. Dee, send a link to this article to the office of this goose. He will have the chance to read the comments to your article, (did I mention is dislike stupid people?)

    Don’t bother with ‘The Age’, I found that a total waste of time.

  2. We Are Victims of the Greatest Crime in History – Vernon Coleman

    The ‘Ferguson’ he is referring to is of course is [Prof] Neil Ferguson (the English counterpart of Fauci] with a long record of crimes against humanity that boggles even the skeptical mind, including his role in the Foot and Mouth crisis – a hoax of similar proportions for the UK horticultural industry.

    Insight: “Slaughtered on Suspicion” – Foot and Mouth 2001 & role of Prof. Neil Ferguson

    Senator Raffaele Ciccone has declared himself as a willing and knowing accomplice in crimes against humanity. I hope he thinks it ‘was all worth it”.

  4. Dear Raff Ciccone,
    Do you think as Bill Gates does. He thinks that the world has to many people. Bill against logic, similar to yours, wants to protect all the worlds population, includeding the ones called useless eaters by those and possibly you too.

    These things are always slippery sloped away but one,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki

    Two,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

    Being your superior by logic, you should really respond to all the anomlies on this page.
    Seems like derelIction of duty, not too, if you indeed oathed to us, and not another.

    Ours,
    Simon

  5. We currently live in unreality created by observe and declare. Why discover truth when we can make it up. Lets replace science with pseudo-science. We observe change of colour on the moon and simply declare them shadows. We are so clever!! We observe particles through electron microscope and declare them viruses and since Virus Sanskrit visam “venom, poison,” visah “poisonous;” hence dangerous since it is in the word. We are so clever to observe and declare. Then we pick up an object in equilibrium then drop it and declare it to be called gravity “weight, heaviness, pressure,” from gravis “heavy” from Latin. We observe the object falling, and ignore it having being pickup and declare it to be gravity. We are so clever. When individuals live in belief with the illusion of knowledge we can never be free.

  7. I say again, that while we have this perverse, morally and constitutionally unlawful party system whereby candidates put up for election are goose-galahs representing occult party ideologies we are farkt. We will always be pawns of an elite of “policy formulators” and their idiot lackeys for as long as that system continues.

    The only viable alternative is that proposed representatives be selected from the people by the people and that such representatives of the interests of the people be supported by the people against a hostile supranational ideology… such as what was assumed in the Constitution; which was defiled, if not abrogated, within a year of its acceptance.

    There are some noisy birds that propose that it can be “fixed” by appealing to Pommy “laws” and all that; but the Poms are just as farkt by the same plutocratic, ideological, megalomaniacs that we are. Unless we can implement an order consistent with the natural order we will go the same way as Sodom, the destruction of Jerusalem or, at best, the Babylonian Captivity.

  8. To Raff Ciccone in particular:

    Do politicians in this enlightened age know that humans like all other life eventually die? It seems that in their eyes nobody died until Covid-19 came along. Perhaps I can shed some light on that subject.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in…
    Australian Road Deaths by year:
    1925 700
    2016 1293
    2017 1225
    2018 1135
    2019 1194

    Victoria’s Supposed Covid-19 Deaths
    To 18/07/20 119 Figure supplied by John Hopkins University
    20/07 20 142 Another source

    Population of Victoria is 6,460,675 2018
    Fatality rate = 0.00219 %

    Australian Deaths 2018 (Before Covid-19 was engineered)
    N.S.W. 50,547
    Vic. 39,193
    Qld 28,599
    S.A. 9052

    Even if 200 people die this year in Victoria due to Covid-19 the percentage is very small compared to Victoria’s deaths in 2018. Most of those that die would be aged 70 or over and would have died of old age or other causes very shortly after the epidemic.

    • I go with John Hopkins medical scientist’s figure, to any other source.
      Including this lot because they were 2 months ahead of the/and outbrake including “Hendra” or bat experts from Victoria and friends:

      The Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity. The Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity is an unincorporated joint venture between the University of Melbourne
      https://about.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/january/melbourne-scientists-first-to-grow-and-share-novel-coronavirus
      Wuhan coronavirus in culture. Credit Dr Julian Druce VIDRL, The Doherty Institute. Scientists from the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity – a joint venture between the University of Melbourne and the Royal Melbourne hospital – have successfully grown the Wuhan coronavirus from a patient sample, which will provide expert international laboratories with crucial information to …

      … Rocking good fellows like Bill Gates who aready had the head’s up from Johnny be good Hopkins ?

      So confusing, hope the Senator can illuminate.
      (agreed, pushing on my own P’s n Q’s, not breaking I hopes, all reported from fake news aware mainstream fact checking news outlets).

      • Addendum:

        The Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity is an unincorporated joint venture between the University of Melbourne AND The Royal Melbourne Hospital

  9. My in-laws are Italian immigrants and descendants. They would curse the day this individual sold his soul for a few shekels, bowed to his new deity and betrayed his family, his heritage, his race and humanity as a whole.

    PS – oldavid, this individual was never elected – he was appointed.

    Wiki:
    ”Ciccone joined the Australian Labor Party in 2000. Before entering the Senate, Ciccone worked as a staffer to Senator Jacinta Collins and was a vice-president of the Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch).[4] He was an unsuccessful candidate for Labor’s Senate ticket in Victoria prior to the 2013 federal election.[5] He also stood for election to the Monash City Council in 2008 and 2016, but was defeated with less than ten percent of the vote on each occasion.

    Ciccone was appointed to the Senate on 6 March 2019 to fill a casual vacancy caused by the resignation of Jacinta Collins.”

    So he has a public popularity in the single digits and now he is pushing the Bill Gates project of genocide. Imagine what he says to himself and in the name of his ancestors when he looks in the mirror every single day!

    I hope he is safe in the company of his new masters.

    • He will be partial to a barista coffee rather than home made like me, I’m quessing. Who knows maybe I’ll see him round if he holidays locally, like robust chats as well. An open and as much as I can, impartial exchange for sure.

    • Julius your comment pointing out that Ciccone is an unelected official is brilliant. I’ve reproduced part of it along with the article in a post on FB. Hope you don’t mind.

      Dee – again – you inspire me.

      Seems to me people like Daniel Andrews and Ciccone should be the first to trial the vaccine. In fact, I think they should bathe in it.

      BTW – the MANDATORY face masks are NOT mandatory for anyone under 18; anyone with health or breathing problems; or a physical condition which makes it difficult to wear a mask…….??!!!!

      Could this whole situation be any more confusing?

      Seriously, all these politicians are delusional! They need a mental health check. The countries economy has been destroyed over less than 200 covid deaths nationwide.

      Bring in the men in white coats. Take the nutter pollies away and lock them up for a very long time.

      Give us our country back!

  10. A question for the health authorities. Has a comparison been made of patrons in nursing homes that did not have a flu vaccination and those that did in regard to deaths by Covid-19?

    • According to Prof Francis Boyle(author of the 1989 US Bioweapons Act)The Animal Health Laboratory(BSL 4) in Geelong was implicated in the GOF of SARS-CoV-2.

      • I seem to recall some strange events originating at the Geelong Lab back around the time of the anthrax false-flag in the wake of 911. This included at least one poorly explained death within the lab walls.

  13. With respect I would like to share a part of this service some words from amazing family members.
    State Funeral for Uncle Lyall Munro Senior

    His son Lyall starts speaking around 58 mins–re this article I draw attention to around 1hr20 minutes where Lyall speaks of losing around 40 people to cancer every year for the past 10-15 years he also mentions no one at all contracting covid 19–there is some interesting history that follows. There is also reference to generational Trauma since invasion-yes genocide with intent–

  18. Dee just sent me the automotive answering to the Ciccone’s answering service. I won’t post it as it is Dee’s email, but the little POS has acknowledging a link to this thread – look forward to his input.

  19. I am not anti vaccine, I had the usual lot as a child and a few years ago had the whooping cough needle.
    However, if I were to to be forced to have a vaccine to live a normal life I would prefer not have a old concentration doctor determing my fate such as Dr. Mengelle.
    I would expect my doctor to be fully informed of and advise me as follows:
    + the results of all tests on the subject vaccine.
    + aware of and inform me of all scientific reports and opinions (not the senators) relating to possible side effects to my health.
    + all the adjuvents contained in the vaccine, particularly; aluminium, mercury and/or foetal left over products.
    + whether the doctor was insured for any damages resulting from the injection. I would need to see and read the terms of his insurance policy. There should be no problem there, not as in the US the government underwrites all claims and the pharma companies have been given immunity from ANY suit.
    + WHAT IS THE SITUATION IN AUSTRALIA FOR A LAW SUIT AGAINST THE DOCTOR OR MANUFACTURER of the vaccine. And whether the insurance companys and manufacturer has assests deposited with the government sufficient to cover any liabilities. Just recall what the asbestos company did to avoid having assests to cover their damages. Did they move to Sweden or somewhere? Yes it did!
    I trust that the good senator and the AMA are putting their minds to some foreseeable problems before some of us are corraled behind historic bibed wire. Many know of and experienced what authouritian regimes are capable of and it is a simple lesson.
    Never again!
    Kindly give us your thoughts dear senator and the Age might assist, being part of the Nine network, including the SMH and Hardly of 2GB and other affiliated radio jocks.

    • Yes Ned, that was James Hardie Industries that you’re referring to in relation to the asbestos claims.

      They were domiciled in Australia since listing on the ASX in 1951 but but moved to the Netherlands in 2001.

      Despite the move, or perhaps because they were still listed on the Aust Stock Exchange (ASX: JHX) and avoidance of their responsibility for asbestos compensation may have created a P.R disaster, they did come to some agreement to make a payout.

      According to Wikipedia, this is what happened next :

      ” Shortly after the move, an actuarial report found that James Hardie asbestos liabilities were likely to reach $574 million

      . The estimate of asbestos liabilities was promptly revised to $752 million in 2002 and then $1.58 billion in 2003. The funding shortfall became of increasing concern in 2004 as it became clear that eligible victims would miss out on receiving compensation after it was revealed that in March 2003 James Hardie had cancelled the partly paid shares that were intended to be a safety net for the fund.

      In discussing the shortfall with the MRCF [ Medical Research and Compensation Foundation] , James Hardie refused to accept further responsibility for the liabilities on the basis that the MRCF and James Hardie were separate legal entities ” .

      • Thankyou tv. I could not recall the Hardie criminals.
        Now for Senator dumsttreat and nine network news.
        Getting the big picture polly, want a cracker?
        Hopefully your simple colleagues and the public will and after the next election decide that you can transfer your peanut brain off to some pharma crooks as a consullent for work done.

        • It would be amusing, Mr Ned, if you identified with a particular con-job that would, at least, raise its flag in the troupe of God haters

          • Sorry that I am unable to amuse you.
            I have no idea what your point is.
            Try simple English if you wish ifor any communication to progress.

  20. And I would expect my doctor to fully advise of any alternative treatment such as hydroxychoquine ( with zinc??)
    What would you prefer Senator…….. oh, you have no fn clue I suspect.

    • Ned, maybe vaccines of our youthful age (whether useful or not) not having all the junk additives were not as dangerous as today’s product.

      However as more of my era, fall off the perch prematurely with cancer, and some have been lucky enough to survive, I am not so sure that vaccines of our time were as safe as we are told.

      • Do not know.
        I suspect vaccines changed from early 1960s
        Remember Dr. Days’s disclosures in 1969. (Diseases will be invented)
        Search ‘NWO exposed by insider’ at jeffrense.com and here at gumshoe news Mary’s Book: ‘truth in journalism’.
        The control freaks have planned it all from way back and our dear senator and nine network are running with the freak’s agenda.
        To implicate their plan, they spent years buying off politicians and grabbing control of public msm conditioning with tv visual Valium.
        Wakey up people.

  21. A precedent has been set, a certain very famous person, promoting normal cures such as HCQ, actually took a course of HCQ (with the approval of his doctor) and was roundly condemned. Now our despicable MSM is 100% behind Covax-20™ they would never condemn this person Ciccone for showing some leadership and being the first to take a dose himself, then go and work amongst the front-lime health workers for a month, to prove it was totally harmless and that it probably might work. Surely there is no way this guy would pass up an opportunity like this, after all, the other very famous person didn’t let it go by.

    • Since we’re on the topic of HCQ, comes this article :

      https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/no_author/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created-and-more/

      The first paragraph or so of the article reads :

      ” It is remarkable that a series of events taking place over the past 3 months produced a unified message about hydroxychloroquine [HCQ], and produced similar policies about the drug in the US, Canada, Australia, NZ and western Europe.

      The message is that generic, inexpensive hydroxychloroquine is dangerous and should not be used to treat a potentially fatal disease, Covid-19.

      Were these acts carefully orchestrated ? You decide.”

      Yes Gumshoer’s, should we give the cabal the benefit of the doubt and just call it a coincidence that ALL these countries produced similar policies at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME ?

  22. Have just watched Vernon Coleman’s video. Wow! He doesn’t pull any punches. Very educational!
    He like several Gumshoenews followers is calling for legal proceedings against many, many individuals. I hope that situation happens. It might just save the World.

    Thank you Vernon.

  24. What needs to be understood is that those who make consistently irrational claims and behave correspondingly are under a spell. Appealing to reason is therefore totally pointless.

  25. Credit where it’s due and Trump gives as good as he gets here :

    Just before the 6 minute mark Trump comes up with ‘ Show me the Death Rate’ when confronted with the escalating number of cases.

    Then Trump goes back to being a lying hound by blaming the virus on China.

  26. ‘Anti-China War Hawks’ ?

    Fish, do you mean like Trump ? Listen to the Trump interview with Chris Wallace at around the the 18:55 mark and hear Trump say :

    ‘ We won two world wars, two BEAUTIFUL world wars … ‘ .

    WHO talks like that ?

    No one who’s ever fought on the front lines ever says that.

    Only a Chicken-Hawk war monger that would never contemplate going to war themselves or sending a son or daughter there ever refers to any war as ‘beautiful’.

    So much for those of you who think Bolton misled Trump into belligerent foreign policy mistakes.

    Make no mistake, Bolton and Trump ALWAYS were birds of a feather.

      • It’s like injecting the detergent, Trump is always blabbering, they call it a “brain fart”, his thoughts are elsewhere. Calling everything “beautiful” or “great” or other superlatives is not a reliable indication of belligerence, or an opportunity to jump to conclusions, unless you are FAKE NEWS

  27. One comment by a listener to the videos I share below states

    “If you’re red-pilled and living on planet earth, listening to this video puts all the loose ends in place.“

    Matthew Raphael Johnson gives an extraordinary series of podcast lectures, some of which can be found as a playlist on the channel “Invincible Orthodoxy”.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzvFEI7aoXVfL59JZS63XDw/playlists

    I don’t think I am off topic by particularly recommending a two-part lecture titled “Martyrdom of the Tsar and his Family [100 Year Anniversary)”.

    In Part 1, Johnson explains the ritualistic symbolism behind the murder of the last Romanov Tsar [see also see his related podcast lecture titled “Murder of the King meaning”]. He touches on the [non] pogroms [also citing Solzhenitsyn], Hitler, Rasputin and the control of the press by Jews that manufactured all the false narratives still believed in the West today.

    Johnson concludes Part 1 with the quote:

    “Everything that we despise today comes from this hundred-year-old event – the murder of the Tsar. The killing of the king was a [an occult ritual] sacrifice which made all the evil that will come afterwards possible.”

    From around 4:42 of Part 2 Johnson gives a list of 17 profound philosophical insights that he “wish[es] weren’t true. These are things that only experience can teach you … ” Listen to those if nothing else.

    The videos”

    *Martyrdom of the Tsar and his Family [100 Year Anniversary; Part 1] *

    *Martyrdom of the Tsar and his Family [100 Year Anniversary; Part 2] *

    Take your time – I am just working through some of his other lectures in the playlist. The ones titled “The Superiority of Monarchy” and “(Lie of Democracy) The great falsehood of our time – Konstantin Pobedonostev” are also beauties.

    By the way, Matthew Raphael Johnson has read (and understood – and can articulate) every word ever written by Dostoyevsky, Hegel, Nietzsche – et al!!

    Crikey – and I am just coming across this material!! 😊

  28. What about the 21:40 mark of the interview showing a poll of Trump Vs Biden on the issues of Coronavirus, Race Relations and the Economy.

    Biden leads in all categories (esp. the Corona), so if it’s still a problem come November (ie: more lockdowns, economy not back to some semblance of normality), then Trump is well and truly done like a dog’s dinner.

    BUT, even though Biden polled only 1 % better in this category, the fact that a DEMENTED economically illiterate old fool polled better than Trump on the economy tells you how much MORE of a retard Trump must be in the eyes of most Americans.

    Then again, is anyone really surprised – seeing as Trump’s mismanagement of the economy is one of unparalleled fiscal and monetary impropriety ?

    As bad as Biden is on economic matters, the REAL REASON they prefer him over Trump on the economy is evident around the 23:30 point when Trump comes up with this DOOZY of a porky-pie :

    ” I built the greatest economy EVER built anywhere in the world , until we got hot with the China virus ” .

    Americans may be dumb (ex-pats who now live in Oz excluded), but they’re not that dumb.

    Even they know that pre-Covid, the U.S economy was SH#T .

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool ALL of the Trump worshippers ALL of the time ……. etc .

  30. Trying to dialog with so-called intelligent and informed people on this topic is, at least for me, utter futility, with only one exception I can recall.

    They consider only content that is sourced from their list of “approved websites,” as if to say that there is no truth to be found outside of that narrow spectrum.

    It’s really both mind-boggling and frustrating. Any more, I research for mostly my own self because, by all accounts, the overwhelming majority of people has neither the interest nor intellect to handle opposing views/facts.

  31. Hey ‘u9’, I’m prepared to go where the facts take me.

    Which opposing views/facts are you referring to ? I’d like to hear them and by all means show us those websites that are not on the ‘approved list’.

    Obviously, all of us here are subjective (myself for sure) when discussing those sources we’ve grown accustomed to for reliable info.

    Let’s broaden out knowledge base and hear about yours.

  32. Just in, this masterclass performance from Robert F. Kennedy Jr titled : ‘Heated Vaccine Debate – Kennedy Jr. vs Dershowitz’ :

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