by Gil May
The ocean currents greatly affect surface temperature preventing the northern hemisphere from freezing, transferring heat and cold around the globe as a thermal conveyor belt, creating winds, evaporation, and rain.
Ocean Currents and Australia’s Hottest Days
The world has 172-year weather cycles caused by changes in the shape of the Earth’s orbit around the sun, the tilt of the Earth’s rotation, and the wobble of our axis. We do not live long enough to remember the last one.
Just 12,000 years ago, undisputed geological evidence shows that all of North America up to the Arctic regions were under a sheet of ice, estimated to have been from 2 to 3 kilometres thick—it has warmed since then. The warm ocean heat-conveyer currents keep the northern hemisphere from freezing. An undersea earthquake or volcano could block the current and the northern hemisphere would freeze.
Gas bubbles in deep ice cores, stalagmites, and sedimentary deposits have allowed scientists to identify the composition of the atmosphere over very long periods, showing that in the last five global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before any rise in atmospheric carbon. They show much higher CO2 than now was normally substantiated by archaeological evidence of plants growing larger leaves and vigorous growth with higher CO2. The average over the last 60 million years was 1,200 ppm.
Sea Level Lower Now Than in 1914
UN IPCC Scientist Blows Whistle on Lies About Climate & Sea Level.
“Mörner’s conclusion is that solar activity and its effects on the globe have been the “dominant factor” in what happens to both the climate and the seas.”
The words of Captain Daniel Fitzhenry — Hydrographic Surveyor, Registered Surveyor, BOM.
Look this up:
“The seas and oceans to the east of Australia forms the largest body of water on Earth. The Tidal Marker at Fort Dennison in Sydney Harbour show the mean seal level at Sydney in 2019 is 6 centimetres lower than the mean sea level in 1914 when the Bureau of Meteorology commenced recording sea levels”.
105 years after the first level was taken and meticulously measured ever since proves there is no sea-level increase whatsoever, it has reduced 6 centimetres.
Sea levels are subject to fluctuations caused by the gravitational effect from the moon and the equatorial bulge of the spinning earth (1,670 km/h) — the earth is 42.47 km wider at the equator.
Many Islands are sand deposits over coral which decomposes over time and expanding weights compresses and lower levels. They subside — the ocean has not risen.
The 1841 Tidal Mark made by Thomas Lempriere at Port Arthur, records the mean level of the ocean.
He was a methodical observer and recorder of meteorological, tidal, and astronomical data; In 1841 renowned British Antarctic explorer, Captain Sir James Clark Ross and Governor Franklin instructed Thomas Lempriere to make the tidal marker—which still identifies the current zero point, or general mean level of the sea’s tidal levels as within normal variations.
BELOW – The 1841 Tidal Mark photographed in 2018
AUSTRALIA’S HOTTEST DAY
The extreme heat of Sydney’s summer of 1790/91 is detailed by Watkins Tench (1758 –1833) in his book ‘A Complete Account of the Settlement at Port Jackson’ published in 1793.
Of Sydney’s weather of 27th December 1790, when the mercury hit 42.8 C (109 F), Tench wrote: ‘it felt like the blast of a heated oven’. The following day the temperature again surpassed the old 100 Fahrenheit mark, hitting 40.3C (104.5 F) at 12.30 pm. And later that same summer, in February 1791, the temperature in Sydney was recorded at 42.2 C (108 F).
Tench recorded the effects of the extreme heat of February 1791:
“An immense flight of bats, driven before the wind, covered all the trees around the settlement, whence they, every moment, dropped dead, or in a dying state, unable longer to endure the burning state of the atmosphere. Nor did the perroquettes, (parrots) though being tropical birds, bear it better; the ground was strewed with them in the same condition as the bats.”
Governor Arthur Philip noted the effects of the extreme heat of the summer of 1790/91: “from the numbers (of dead bats) which fell into the brook at Rose Hill (Parramatta), the water was tainted for several days and it was supposed, more than twenty thousand of them were seen within the space of one mile.”
Yet 222 years later, reports of the mass death of birds and bats are more likely to come from those sliced by wind turbine blades, than the heat.
Whilst it is probable that remote areas of the Australian desert have seen extreme temperatures that have gone unrecorded, the outback Queensland town of Cloncurry originally held the record for the highest known temperature in the shade, at 53.1 °C (127.5 °F) on 16 January 1889. Cloncurry is a small town in northwest Queensland, Australia, about 770km west of Townsville.
The Cloncurry record was later removed from Australian records because it was measured using unsuitable equipment (that is, not in a Stevenson screen, which only became widespread in Australian usage after about 1910). According to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, the current heat record is held by Oodnadatta, South Australia, 50.7 degrees Celsius, occurring on 2 January 1960.
The world heat record for consecutive days goes to Marble Bar in Western Australia, which recorded maximum temperatures equalling or over 37.8°C on 161 consecutive days, between 30 October 1923 and 7 April 1924: In January 1922 it was 49.2C at Marble Bar.
The highest temperature ever recorded in Australia was 50.7C in Oodnadatta, South Australia on January 2, 1960. This is almost double that month’s average temperature in South Australia.
HISTORY
Years ago, the Sahara Desert had forests and massive Lakes.
Ancient Greek Historian Herodotus and many other Greek philosophers recorded an inland sea in North Africa, now known to be Lake Chad of over 350,000 km2 that ran east into the Nile River, now identified by satellites. It was the largest of four Saharan Lakes now under about 180 meters of sand.
Central Australia had rainforests, rivers, and lakes—Palm Valley in Finke Gorge NT is still growing residual rare palms, Livingstonia mariae or red cabbage palm; the Nullarbor caves contain remains of giant megafauna and the thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger), from Richmond, Winton to Hughenden in Queensland are dinosaur fossils.
They became deserts due to the axis tilt which reverses at regular intervals; Scientists say it is long overdue for the tilt to change again back close to where it once was.
The centre of Australia once had rainforests — there are petrified trees, palms, tree-ferns; fossilized fish, yabbies, megafauna, and dinosaurs.
The gross ignorance of history displayed by climate protestors is appalling, they actually believe their own baloney; at school in the 1950’s we learned history about Australian and global droughts that forever changed civilisation — clearly not taught in today’s low education standards.
Had they been raised in the country they would have known about Earth’s constant climatic changes, summer, autumn, winter, and spring; the land is cultivated, all crops are planted and harvested according to seasonal climate changes: Likewise with stock breeding programs, spring lambing, shearing times, dairy cattle calving and lactation, fruit and nut tree flowering and vegetable harvests. The climate is always changing, droughts, floods, medieval warm periods, and ice ages.
While Australian temperatures are high to the current generation, they are not unusual to the older folk.
In 1915, 104 years ago the Murray River dried up—it has never done that since.
BELOW — The dry riverbed of the Murray River 1915.
Explorer, Charles Sturt’s Records show 191 years ago in 1828 it was a blistering 53.9 °C. In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks. The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states. Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 48.9°C on three days—long before industrialization.
Current high temperatures are within the normal range.
During the Australian Federation, Drought 124 years ago from 1895 – 1903 nearly half the nation’s livestock died. Australia experienced 27 drought years between 1788 and 1860, and at least 10 major droughts between 1860 and 2000.
The Great Drought 144 years ago, and subsequent Global Famine between 1875 and 1878, ravaged India, China, and parts of Africa and South America, killed an estimated 50 Million people — twice the population of Australia.
Hannibal Barca, the Carthaginian General, in the Second Punic War (218 – 202) took his elephants through the Swiss Alps to attack Rome, there was no ice—today the pass is a wall of ice.
It was warm in Siberia 11,000 years ago, where large herds of animals and mammoths grazed.
When Eric-the-Red settled Greenland in the middle ages much of the continent was ice-free and he called it ‘Greenland’ to encourage Viking migration, southwest Greenland was extensively cultivated for 400 years from 950 until 1425 when farms were suddenly overrun by permafrost 600 years ago. The current ice thawing is revealing frozen farm buildings.
In 1421 – 598 years ago, a Chinese Imperial Navy squadron sailed right around the Arctic and found no ice anywhere. Those historic events demonstrate higher natural global temperatures than now.
The Piri Reis Map of 1513: It showed Antarctica centuries before discovery, but without its ice cap — obviously the ice had melted from climate changes — as history repeats itself it may happen again. Antarctica has fossils showing it was once a warmer habitable continent.
No human industrialization or emissions existed, so what caused the myriad of climate changes?
Urgent News …
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places, the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the US Consulate at Bergen Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.
Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the Gulf Stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.
This report was from November 2, 1922, as reported and published in The Washington Post 97 years ago.
The above Washington Post article can be confirmed HERE:
Climate alarmists just do not understand history — it appears too complicated and stressful for them to read a history book: Without a willingness to learn they are unemployable and a liability to the nation.
Our schoolteacher often said, “You can only educate a willing mind — you can never teach a fool”.
The only person I know of who could accurately forecast the weather was my fathers friend Indigo Jones at Chromherst on the Blackall Range in Qld and (in relation to this article) readers may be interested to know how he did it. (For those wanting to know they were published in the “People” magazine – June 21, 1950 – P 18 & 19)
He watched the sun and planets close to it with a telescope and noted the associated weather conditions. From this he drew the conclusions following:
Massive 11 million volt cosmic rays emanating from within the Milky Way Galaxy affect
the sun spot activity of the Sun in 11 to 12 year cycles.
These sunspots throw off electrically charged particles which take 90 hours to reach earth.
where they electrically charge the upper atmosphere, which condenses vapour to form clouds
and rain.
Sunspots in north of Sun affects North of the Earth and visa-versa
Planets magnetic field and their orbit affects this effect, particularly when planets combine “at
the 18th hour of the Right ascension.”
·6. If there is no interception of the rays by planets there are no sunspots and therefore no Sun
electrical discharge and therefore no electrically charge of the upper atmosphere, no
condensed vapour to form clouds and rain. ie drought.
I too remember my father talking of Indigo Jones in the 1950s. The unusual name may be why I remember. Dad always said that Indigo was way more accurate than the weather bureau.
Yes Mal he was too,, he made his living from farmers all over providing accurate forecasts but of course the BOM disregarded his many attempts at getting them to understand.
AND he could forecast way in the future. He passed away 1952 but his forecast’s held true right up to 2000 –
Gil if you use a flat. earth map what you say makes much more sense. Get the flat earth, sun, moon and zodiac app and you may have a different perspective. The spinning earth, solar system cosmos is a model. It is a mental construct, not reality. We do not live on a model, do we?
Perhaps you’d care to explain why every ancient seer ascribes to a round earth surrounded by an atmosphere:
“He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness.”
JOB 26:10
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are blike grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in”
ISAIAH 40:22
It kinda goes without saying that, on a hypothetical “flat earth” it would be day everywhere or night everywhere: the boundary between light and darkness is always a CIRCLE because the earth is ROUND.
Flat earth ??? W.T.F. is this guy serious ? My God, looks like we need not fear this Covid but rather some sort of insanity pervading amongst us all ?
Be careful where you walk, or you may fall over the edge. Wow!
If we live on a flat Earth, surely our sea levels must be draining away, year on year. Where is the moisture to create clouds and rainfall.
Also stuffs up the history that Magellan and James Cook circumnavigated the Earth by sea. What liars they must have been.
Beautiful videos from the International Space Station,
Due to the issue outlined in the following 5 write-ups:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=climate+stats+fiddled&ia=web
Everyone should, perhaps, start keeping their own records
As ground temperature has a much greater overall impact on plants and animals alike I can’t help but wonder why virtually no attention is given to the respective records
https://darksky.net/flatearth
“This is caused by the Giant Ice Wall that rings our world and separates us from the realm of the Reptillian Overlords beyond. A “Round Earth” can’t explain that!” – Well, there’s something I never thought of before…
Small wonder there’s such an ubiquitous denial of all things supernatural
Not much science or observational skills here.
Duns Scotus, did you get this bit : ‘the mean seal level at Sydney in 2019 is 6 centimetres LOWER than the mean sea level in 1914’ , in relation to the tidal marker at Fort Denison ?
Aren’t sea levels supposed to be rising everywhere due to polar ice melts (if radical unhinged Green Movement assertions are to be believed) ?
Scotus, did you get this part as well : ‘ the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before any rise in atmospheric carbon’ ?
Yes my friend, Temp RISES FIRST and CO2 rises come an average of 800 years later – which is in accordance with the simple school level scientific principle of Outgassing.
ie: when a gas is dissolved in a medium (like CO2 in the Earth’s soil and oceans), an increase in temp is followed by a RELEASE of said gas from that medium.
As temps increase, more of said gas is released.
Got it ?
If so, you have now passed Lesson # 1 in Cause and Effect.
I very much liked the last line of the article : “You can only educate a willing mind — you can never teach a fool”.
So Scotus, which is it to be ?
Are you ready to be a ‘willing mind’ or is your confirmation bias so entrenched that you’re a lost case ?
You were doing OK until you finished with a sneer
Another great article Gil.
The highest temperatures and temperature change that I have experienced was, I think in 1992, while working at ground level on power poles in the Esperance area. On the Thursday a hot north easterly was blowing off the desert across the paddocks. By 10.00 am, no matter how much water I drank, it evaporated from my body almost as fast as I drank. I got so distressed that I washed my face in a sheep trough which I was told later could have been disastrous health wise, decided to stop work until it got a bit cooler. However a workmate caught up with me and informed that there was a harvester ban on, whereby no travel is permitted across paddocks. I forgot to mention to you readers, that most of the poles in country W.A. are across farmland.
We retired back to the township for the day. The official temperature for Esperance that day was 45 degrees. Next day the whole crew worked the same section of poles, with one having radio on listening to see if a harvester ban was proclaimed. Before 10.00am, a ban was broadcast, so we packed up for the day. The temperature reached 50 degrees and was a record for Esperance area.
The following day, Saturday, the maximum temperature fell to 26 degrees, with a strong sea breeze.
Mal, I’ve been in those conditions myself. No matter how much water you drink, the only way to cool down is to dose yourself with water. Soak your clothes and stay in the shade.
The first time I got sun stroke I thought I had the flu with a raging headache, nausea and dizziness. I figured out what was going on and soaked my clothes, 10 minutes later I was fine.
I’ve seen emus go into damns up to their necks to cool down and even seen pigs dive down and fully submerge themselves. The heat in the bush can be a killer.
Folk were singing about it well before the social engineers got hold of it:
Thank you, Thomas Lempriere for forethought of placing water mark on rock at sea level those many years ago, at Port Arthur. You have shown us, 179 years later that the sea levels have not altered a great deal over that time period. In fact the movement in level is in reverse to what false scientists claim.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/1969-shock-news-instant-ice-age-on-the-way/
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1969 Shock News: “Instant Ice Age On The Way”
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1970 Shock News : Global Warming To Raise Temperatures Nine Degrees By 2020
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https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/1970-shock-news-global-warming-to-raise-temperatures-nine-degrees-by-2020/
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From: Popular Mechanics. July 1970
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“Science Worldwide” by John F. Pearson
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“Drastic global climate changes will occur within the next 50 years if the use of fossil fuels keeps rising at current rates.
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That warning comes from Eugene K. Peterson of the Department of the Interior’s Bureau of Land Management. Increased levels of carbon dioxide would raise worldwide temperatures by 9 degrees through a “greenhouse” effect: CO2 traps heat reflected from the earths surface, warming the atmosphere.
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The temperature rise says Peterson, is likely to cause a virtual disappearance of snow from the US mainland; an increase in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, the latter adding to the CO2 problem; a four-feet rise in ocean levels and an absence of ice in the Arctic Ocean for six months of the year…..”
Happy Birthday Al Gore –
http://historyhalf.com/happy-earth-hour/
Happy “Earth Hour”
This Saturday has been designated, by the crazy left wing “environmentalists” who determine such things, as the day for the first International Earth Hour.Concerned citizens of the Planet are supposed to get out of their cars, turn off their lights, and sit in the dark for an hour to show their unity with Nature. The website designates 8:30 PM as the official start of Earth Hour, but does not specify whether that is 8:30 PM in one particular time zone, or 8:30 PM in each time zone on Earth. Perhaps there are 24 Earth Hours; it’s hard to say.
One thing is sure. Any and all Earth Hours will take place on March 31, the birthday of global warming Profit of Doom Al Gore.
The fact that Gore only gets only an hour of honour on his birthday shows where he ranks among the Heroes of the Left. The “environmentalist” watermellons (green on the outside, red on the inside) who establish these things have carved out a whole day for Soviet founder Vladimir Lenin.
Every April 22, on Lenin’s birthday, the Polically Correct celebrate “Earth Day.” The first Earth Day was April 22 of 1970, the hundredth aniversary of Lenin’s birth, and the Left has led gullible liberal movement-joiners in celebrating it each year since then.
Al Gore and the organizers of Earth Hour had better not plan on much cooperation in the state of Kentucky. At 8:30 PM Kentucky time the University of Louisville will be just finishing a Final Four basketball game against the U. of Kentucky, to decide which team from that state will move on to the final game for the NCAA championship. Lights and TV’s will be on all over the state, and refrigerator doors will be opening and closing at a rapid rate. (Out in Seattle it will be 5:30, and the Fuller household will be rooting for Louisville.)
The idea of an hour of darkness is actually not completely unprecedented. In 1879, when leftist hero Lenin was only nine years old, American hero Thomas Edison demonstrated his electric light for the news media. When Edison died fifty-two years later, President Herbert Hoover issued a statement asking all Americans to turn off their lights for one minute in tribute to the man who had illuminated the world. (Hoover had the good sense to clearly define the time: 10:00 PM Eastern Time.)
Unlike this Earth Hour nonsense, the minute of darkness to honour Edison was almost universally observed in the United States. Edison’s friend and protege Henry Ford sat with Firestone Tire founder Harvey Fireston in Fireston’s apartment in Manhattan watching the entire city of New York go dark, while the same thing was happening all across the nation.
Americans, good sensible people that they were, were more than willing to express their respect for, and gratitutude to, a man who had done so much to improve their lives.
This weekend the vast majority of Americans will have the good sense to ignore the left wing screwballs who want us all to honour a retired Vice President who’s been trying to take those same conveniences away from us.
I’m not sure how much notice one should take of a scratch on a rock to indicate a “mean global sea level”. Apparently the whole of Earth’s crust is continually flexing, causing and relieving stresses here and there, due mainly to the gravitational effects from the Moon and Sun; a bit like the sloshing back and fourth of large water bodies (tides) but to a much lesser (but still detectable) degree. I don’t remember the amount of the distortion but I think it’s in the region of an inch or two in the most usual scenario. There’s always some parts of the crust slowly sinking or rising somewhere even without the occasional catastrophic changes associated with earthquakes and volcanic activity.
Now comes the most interesting bit; according to gravitation theory (backed up by observation) every mass in the Universe affects every other mass directly proportional to their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the separation between them. Just taking the “nearby” masses in the Solar System (other planets) their gravitational effect will affect the trajectory of Earth’s orbit. Mostly it’s pretty inconsequential but if they all line up the effect will be more dramatic, perhaps affecting the dynamics of the Earth in ways that we might only speculate because so much of the possibilities are unknown.
Concerning the contrived hysteria of melting ice caps flooding the World. Despite the observable fact that the ice in Antarctica has been growing since satellite imaging has been available (except in the small bit off S America where there is submarine and subglacial volcanic activity) the small continent is guessed to be covered in ice about a mile thick. Given that almost 3/4 of Earth is ocean, even if the whole blardy lot melted tomorrow the water off that little continent would make piddling difference to the oceans that cover most of the Earth. Take note, also, that the floating part of the icecap can make no difference whatsoever to the volume of the oceans if it melts.
Similar applies to the Arctic except that most of its icecap is floating.
There’s lots more about the “climate change” hoax but I will way bust the words limit for comments if I start.
David,
The polar low slaming bottom of Oz now will plummet temps for three days or so. Summer wants to kick in but with polar blasts in between. In Europe, a cyclonic low, with the eye stationary in North Italy generating ocean swells in the Med. Typical change of seasons, some years more so than others. Fluxation is constant add bio- engineering the variations become extreme. The optimum temp for life is fine perfection from our Creator.
The scientists, reading the news, don’t get it because their jobs depend on lies.
Ol’ Dave, totally in agreement with all that you’ve said except for this statement : ‘the floating part of the icecap can make no difference whatsoever to the volume of the oceans if it melts’.
When the floating ice melts it WILL in fact affect sea levels in that sea levels will DROP.
Let me explain.
Water EXPANDS in volume when it freezes.
In other words, frozen water has a LARGER volume than the equivalent amount of water in the liquid state.
So, when the floating icebergs melt (think the entirety of the arctic region seeing as there is no land mass beneath the Nth Pole), the water from said icebergs will displace a LESSER volume than was displaced when they were frozen.
This goes to show your very poor level of rigour, as you have forgotten to consider the part sticking out of the water. As I suggested another time, your best hope is to go to a TAFE college and sign on for a STEM subject (science, tech, eng, maths) and try to improve your cognition, for you I suggest choose an easy one.
About nine-tenths of the iceberg is submerged – only 10 % is visible.
The expansion in volume going from liquid water to ice more than compensates for this 10 %.
From memory it’s about 4% but the displacement is equal to the mass which equals the water mass displaced !!! So please give up while you’re behind, go to tafe college if you want teaching
It’s a little bit more nuanced than it appears because icebergs are actually frozen FRESH water which is less dense than sea water.
The following passage is extracted from a scientific article :
“There’s an estimated 660,000 cubic kilometres of floating sea ice. If put into one block, it would be 87km (54 miles) on each side (about the footprint of the state of Delaware) and 87km high.
If all of that ice were to melt, what impact would it have on the ocean levels?
If both the ice and the sea water were BOTH fresh water (or both salt water), it would have no impact at all (excluding all other factors, such as water temperature).”
But, there is a difference in density between fresh and sea water so this has to be factored in.
You’re quite right about the fresh water vs salt water density difference but I chose to ignore that for simplicity.
Well here it is factored in:
If fresh water icebergs are less dense than salt water then MORE volume will be above the waterline but when the ice melts into water it will have the same volume as salt water because the water density is different not the water volume. If you take the variables to the extreme, highly salty water, the fresh water ice could be maybe 50% above water. So when it melted the sea level would go up.
Thanks for the “look over there” Transhuman Veggie but it doesn’t help your case.
You need to stop obfuscating and admit, at least to yourself, that you are full of it. Don’t start up about surface tension and stuff like that next.
The argument being, will glaciers/icebergs melting raise sea levels or not can only be YES sea levels will go up. (Nobody knows how much).
w3, do you get some sort of a thrill by making a mountain out of a molehill?
oldavid, I like to call out liars, and when they start out by calling themselves pretentious names such as “truth vigilante” then the lies have started from the get-go. This one is particularly loose with the truth and has been very ready with some extraordinary insults and insinuations. Someone has pulled this one a bit more into line recently but the basic character remains unchanged and therefore requires MORE WORK. In my opinion.
Ol’ Dave, we’d better give him this one.
After all, it’s been agitating him for some time that after perusing all my statements, all my numerous assertions that included facts, figures and dates, that he couldn’t disprove any.
He’s been on a crusade now for some time, devoting all his waking hours to finding fault in anything I’ve written – and coming up empty handed every time.
All the while that was happening, I was shredding his nonsense and exposing his bogus statements for all to see – which further exacerbated his neuroticism.
Strooth! Are you blokes brothers that you have to keep whacking back and forth!
Relative densities of ice and water and saline are easily determined. Just because someone makes a wrong guess doesn’t mean we have to start a blardy war.
I hardly read any of Veggie’s comments unless I notice I have got a mention or they are tacked on adjacent to my comment. But in this case I see Veggie has conceded, he has been making things up, and this is the point I wanted to make, that “Truth” by name has no reliable connection to truth by nature.
You got yourself caught, TV, by applying something that is true into a situation where it doesn’t belong. What you said would apply if the ice was held submerged by an exterior force… but if it is floating it would melt into the same volume of water that it displaced to float it.
No joke, tonight Alan Kholer on abc news presenting the evening economic bs, had three books on top front of his desk. Bottom book couldn’t read title, middle ‘all the media’, top book ‘deep fake’. Now, how do we get hold of these books or are they bs like everything on te lies vision programming .
Just on topic, lets try to hang on to the baby while throwing out the bathwater, so cutting down on pollution, forest burning, degradation, plastic waste etc is still good, what we know is, the Great Barrier Reef is “dying” from runoff, superphosphate etc coming down rivers from farms. Bob Katter has told us this many years ago. Great Barrier Reef die-off is nothing to do with 1 degree temperature changes. Forest burning is the same. Fire occurs at about 400 degrees. Fire doesn’t care if the air temperature is 20 degrees or 50 degrees. Nor does dryness care. Antarctica is touted as the driest continent on earth. Ice may me melting from sunspots 80% and 20% pollution, who knows, it’s barely worth the argument. We just have to cut out the rubbish industries who produce so much rubbish and not spend too much time arguing and splitting hairs. These rubbish industries and the consumers proudly buying the shiny new junk are the problem.
“the Great Barrier Reef is “dying” from runoff, superphosphate etc coming down rivers from farms. Bob Katter has told us this many years ago. Great Barrier Reef die-off is nothing to do with 1 degree temperature changes” – This becomes even more obvious when you consider that the reefs north of the Great Barrier Reef are in even warmer water and are thriving.
“These rubbish industries and the consumers proudly buying the shiny new junk are the problem.” – I was appalled at the attitudes of may people I meant in Southern California. They were PROUD of their conspicuous consumption. Look at me, I can waste lots resources because I have the money – and if they didn’t have the money, they would borrow it. It was perversity on display and heaps of people were into it, it was almost a cultural imperative.
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