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With Apologies to Hans Overbeeke

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The Broad Arrow Cafe

by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

About a month ago Gumshoe received an email from a person who signs his name “Johan (Hans) Overbeeke,” which I assume came from the real Hans Overbeeke. He “wished that people like Mary would stop rambling on.”

I didn’t know I had rambled on about him. After a search, I found references to the name “Overbeeke” in four articles.  All by the said “Mary.” In each case I was relying on Stewart Beattie’s deduction that Mr Overbeeke, father of two sons Benjamin and Warren, was at PA (Port Arthur) that day – April 18, 1996 – as part of ASIO, or some such.

I Apologize to the Overbeekes

I am glad to have been given the stimulus to communicate with the Overbeekees. It’s awful to hear accusations directed at your loved ones. I apologize for any pain I have caused to the Overbeekes. Hans wrote:

“I just wished that people like Mary would stop rambling on, she never contacted me, my son’s dead was not a suicide, we where waiting for the bus to take us to the airport after visiting a train station.” [sic]

I do not accuse any person from being the shooter – though neither do I “acquit”.  It’s not my business to accuse or acquit.  It is very much the government’s business.  To date they have got a free ride on the whole deal by pinning it on the helpless Bryant. Whilst penning this article today, I googled for “Hans Overbeeke” and found that there is a whole Facebook page, albeit dated 2013, that has a big cartoon about “the shooter”. It links to a Youtube item with this picture:

I personally have blamed five of those ten men for misleading us: Howard, Groom, Bugg, Cox, and Fielding. I don’t care to watch the video – or any of the blameatory videos – as they are not based on stuff that meets my standards.  But those five have left us in the awful position of not being able to deal with a massacre.

Who Shot Whom at Port Arthur

I have no idea who the gunman was at “PA” — Port Arthur — on April 28, 1996. In general I have not pursued the question of “who did it”, except that at one point, in 2014, I got a hot lead, provided by a Gumshoe reader where he deduced that it might be an ex-SAS man, David Everett.

I later ceased to believe that it was the late David Everett, but very likely it was someone with SAS-type training. After all, Ted Serong of the ADF said there were only a few markspersons in the world who could have achieved the dead-to-wounded ration that the gunman at PA achieved.

My interest is not to close in on a person who did the shooting.

My interest is to find out who set up Martin Bryant as a patsy (like who set up Jahar Tsarnaev as a patsy for the Boston Marathon). My research animal is always the court case. The behaviour of the judge and the lawyers tells me all I need to know.

(Note: I feel almost as sorry for the man who did the shooting at Port Arthur as I do for Martin Bryant as I assume the shooter was doing it under instruction.)

The Two Scenarios Implicating ASIO

Beattie, in his book, “A Gunsmith’s Notebook about Port Arthur,”  says several of the deceased worked for ASIO.  So far, there are two popular explanations for that amazing fact.

The first is that there may have been a different venue planned for the massacre, namely the Isle of the Dead.  Boatloads of tourists went there every Sunday, from the dock at Port Arthur historic Site. Perhaps there was plan to stage the killings on the boat, and this would get the word back to America that guns are bad. (Many of the tourists every Sunday are American, and also many are Japanese.)

In this scenario, owing to a cancellation of the boat, or a misprint of the timetable, a sudden switch was made so that the gunman was ordered to do his shooting in the Broad Arrow Café.  Some ASIO persons in plain clothes were in the café, purportedly to supervise the day’s tragic event, and they died by accident. The other explanation is that the boat idea was a false cover, and it was actually the intention of the planners to get rid of various ASIO workers.

Truth Commission, Anyone?

As Gumshoe readers know, I accidentally held a “mini-Truth Commission” on the Marathon bombing simply by hosting an Open Mic in a library. (And after the cameras shut down a few more choice tidbits came out.) This is the way to go, I suppose. Give people a chance to say anything that they believe could contribute to good knowledge.

Tassie folks can easily do this. Ms Olga Scully has hosted various PA talks at the Newstead Hotel in Launie. I was the speaker for two of them. And a beautiful librarian in Hobart, Lydia, would surely help you. She helped me inspect the microfich of the old Launceston Examiner. Libraries have a mandate to provide rooms at nominal cost for community purposes.

But I am aware that it is still socially FORBIDDEN to raise the issue on the island state.  I chatted about Port Arthur to a taxi driver about it in Hobart and he got very angry with me.  Never met that phenomenon in any taxi previously.

Stewart Beattie’s Book

I have many times at GumshoeNews expressed my admiration for the work of Stewart Beattie. He covered all the ground that he could think of regarding April 28th and 29th 1996. I have been told that his book, “A Gunsmith’s Notebook about Port Arthur, ”which is only in electronic form, is downloadable but I have not found it.

You may be aware that there is a long list in the Internet of questions asked by the families of 9-11 victims, to which the government has never replied. On October 16, 2016 I wrote an article at Gumshoe making Fifteen Requests to people, to get their input.  Here is one of the 15:

“… The only name I have seen put forward as the shooter is that of a young man, Benjamin Overbeeke of Adelaide, who (it is said) died months later of suicide. … So naturally I put a REQUEST to Hans, the father. Is it true that your son Benjamin has died? I’m sorry for your loss. Please tell me what role he played on 28 April. And also, since you are believed to have manned the only phone at the Café after the shooting stopped, taking details from all the survivors, who urged you to do that?”

In his recent e-mail to Dee McLachlan, editor of Gumshoe, Mr Hans Overbeeke answered the question about the phone.  I am referring to Stewart Beattie’s report that Hans manned the one and only working pay phone at the Broad Arrow, and that this could be interpreted as his working for ASIO to get the names of all possible witnesses. He wrote to Dee on Thursday, 21 June, 2018:

 “The sole reason I answered the phone in the cafe was that the outside phone was filled with coins and I ask my sons to collect phone numbers and the names of survivors so that I could ring their family to assure that they were fine.”

Since the Overbeekes are Adelaidians I hereby offer to appear this Saturday, July 14, 2018, at 3.30pm in Burnside Village. I will be outside the Optus shop there. They are welcome to tell me about any aspect of Port Arthur. I will get them an email invitation.  I regret any harmed feelings to the family of Hans Overbeeke arising from my reportage of Stewart Beattie’s work.

I am particularly keen to hear from cops. I read the other day that NSW has forbidden its cops to speak to the public about their work. Anyone can contact me directly: mary.maxwell@alumni.adelaide.edu.au

The whole thing has gone on for too long – twenty-two years

— Mary W Maxwell is co-author with Dee McLachlan of “Port Arthur: Enough Is Enough.” It is a free download at MaxwellforSenate.com.

 

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  1. :”I chatted about Port Arthur to a taxi driver about it in Hobart and he got very angry with me.”:

    I think due to the lack of any real evidence that could possibly be used to convict Bryant in a court trial, those that prefer to continue being fooled, rather than admitting that they have indeed been fooled at all, are not left with any other options, other than a show of aggression, like the :Tasmanian Devil: .. that really.. is more of a nocturnal scavenger than anything to be feared.

    I recently stumbled upon a Facebook post where an online poll had been put up

    Simple question: do you believe the “Official Story” of the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre is 100% the whole truth?

    the poll was due to end around about now, however, the page it was on, is now no longer available.. ???

    https://www.facebook.com/oskar.zimmerman.58

    the poll author, it seems, has also written a book of his own about Port Arthur, did post a screen shot of the poll a few days ago on Instagram.

    at the time – the results of the poll after more than 2100 votes..
    16% Yes
    84% No

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BlAZ5uVn_QR/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9xzp4nppobub

    Ive only been to Tassie once, but on my next trip I think Ill book a few taxis, try to point them in the right direction.

    • Just a note about ‘Oskar Zimmerman’ & his new book.

      He admits this book is a work of fiction & from the excerpts I’ve read it definitely is complete fiction (BS) & therefore not worth a read. Some of the author’s statements are outrageous! His FB profile has been changed.

      Stick to the facts as presented by Dr. Keith Noble in his book ‘Mass Murder’ which has been thoroughly researched & where a combination of PAM authors have been quoted & listed in the appendix.

      Mary Maxwell….

      If you happen to run into Hans Overbeeke tomorrow please ask him why (if in fact there were any!) his & his two sons’ witness statements are NOT available.

      And is it just another ‘coincidence’ that Overbeeke & his two sons ‘happened’ to be close to the BA Cafe when the shots were carried out inside & the three of them ‘rushed inside to attend to the victims’?

      And how did the pic occur with Hans Overbeeke standing on the BA Cafe verandah after the shooting with Justin Noble (NSW policeman who also just ‘happened’ to be at PAHS that day) & Joe Vialls? Joe Vialls being another suss person who also ‘happened’ to be there.

      • “If you happen to run into Hans Overbeeke tomorrow please ask him why (if in fact there were any!) his & his two sons’ witness statements are NOT available.”

        Not all statements were released in the FOI request. They may have given statements. There was a LOT of information that was withheld. I’d love to see the ‘photo ID board’ that they used to try and strap up Bryant. One of the witness statements ‘recognized’ Bryant from the jumper the killer wore. However, the killer wasn’t wearing the jumper. It appears the photo ID board had a picture like the ones being run in the media, the pictures of Bryant wearing the white jumper. That jumper was included in the planted evidence inside the ‘Blue Bag’ left on the table inside the Broadarrow Cafe.

        • Terry Shulze….

          That’s why I’m asking why those particular statements are not available. I don’t believe I said that the three did not give witness statements. I’m sure they would make interesting reading.

          Perhaps Mary can ask Hans O, if he makes an appearance tomorrow what was in those witness statements.

          The public details about the three of them on Sunday April 28 1996 are indeed scant!

      • Not all statements were released in the FOI request. They may have made statements. It might be interesting if they did make statements why those statements were withheld.

        A lot of information was not released. I’d love to see the photo ID board that they used to try and strap up Bryant. One of the witnesses stated she ‘recognized’ Bryant from the jumper the killer wore. However, the killer wasn’t wearing the jumper, in fact, it was placed inside the planted evidence of the ‘Blue Bag’ left on the table in the Broadarrow.

        It appears that the police may have used a picture like the ones in the media where Bryant is wearing the white jumper.

      • I wasnt endorsing or promoting Oskar or his book or his views in any way..
        just wanted to highlight the fact that it seems a lot of people do have question re the official account.

        thanks for adding your comments.

      • Hi Huskydog, I appreciate your feedback.
        The book isn’t intended to be an account of what happened. The intent is to get the reader thinking that there is possible, plausible explanation apart from the official story. I included footnotes to show a reader how far the official story is from the witness statements.

        People with deep knowledge of the event are NOT the target audience, although I would love for you all to read it and give feedback. The target audience are the 85% of survey respondents who do not believe the official story.

        I have since received additional testimony that changes some of the elements, but not the overall story arc that Martin was set up, drugged and the actions were done by other people. I will be releasing this revised version within the next 6 months.

    • Re: Stewart Beattie: That pdf is incomplete or corrupted.
      My download of this pdf gave title, content, and preface with none of the 29 chapters.

  2. Mary, when you get to Adelaide maybe you could ask Mr Overbeeke, who appointed him as the information supplier to families ? Such a post is usually delegated to an authoritive person, also who covered the expenses of the phone calls. B.T.W. the claim the outside phone was full of coins is a bit suss, I’ve never in my life heard of a public phone being full of coins thus unserviceable. Telstra should be able to verify any such a claim.

      • Hi Jo, r u in So Tas?

        Any action down there, even if only grapevine type stuff? I cannot believe the figure of “majority don’t believe official story”. Can you?

        Does anyone know the basis on which that figure was allegedly made? Who polled whom?

    • You silly person, at a weekend when 100 people try to ring home the box is filled of coins, I was requested to answer the office phone by a off duty policeman after I got my sons to safety, I wonder how you would deal with getting shot at when you’re running down a hill trying to help other people, sorry you where the one shit scared

  3. So what,exactly, was Mr. Overbeeke doing at Port Arthur on 18 April ‘96 ?
    Ditto every other adult who witnessed the massacre
    Why would anyone visit such a place ?
    Ditto the Tower of London, Auschwitz and Fremantle prison

  4. Love your work, everyone. Its my poll listed above, ive got surprisingly few hate messages.about it.
    If you would like and follow my page, youll see it.

    Oskar Zimmerman

  5. It was 28 April 1996. I have never seen enough evidence to point to any particular person as the killer. I’m sure that the evidence exists however – the police have it. The prints and DNA off the tray that the killer ate from would settle any controversy. You can bet that the police ran the prints to see who they belonged to – and they came to the conclusion that they weren’t Bryant’s or they would have used that evidence. The prints belonged to someone else. The next question they would have asked was “well, who’s prints are these?” – and they know.

    The outside pay phone may have been out of order. Perhaps something was jammed in the coin slot. Overbeeke could have been relaying some information that he had been told or maybe he found he couldn’t put coins in.

    Lots of people were taking on all sorts of jobs after the massacre. One fellow was using a soda straw to suck the blood out of the throat of a victim so he wouldn’t drown in his own blood.

    When speculation takes the place of evidence, you end up with ‘conspiracy theories’.

  6. Dear Dee and Mary thank you for the story here it is listed on my Face Book Group page “Truth About Port Arthur Massacre” which has over 1,000 members in it, many of the group members are strong supporters of your site here and we often show stories here you have written.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1680141702228193/

    Regarding the two ASIO Agents Killed, dont forget they also placed two ASIO Agents or two people from the Federal Attorney Generals Office in the Premier of Tasmania Media Liaison Section also in Tasmania Police Media Liaison Section, so ASIO was deeply involved.

    AS for the Overbeeke Brothers being the possible shooters, one at the Cafe`, the other at Seascape Cottages i think we can pretty well state they werent, please see the pictures and threat on my Face Book Group of the guy getting out of the same ambo Martin Bryant was travelling into hospital in, Who is this guy, why was a guy travelling in the front seat dressed in army greens, was he the other shooter in the Seascape Cottages with Martin Bryant and they is how somebody in Tasmania Police helped escape hid him in plain sight into the ambo and knew nobody in the media would ask questions all these things need to be addressed

    Finally thank you for your site again and keep up the good work, group members love your site and stories you do

    Cheers
    Lloyd T Vance

    • Lloyd T Vance

      I happen to know who that guy was in the front of the ambulance as I’ve done my research over many years thoroughly. And I’m somewhat amazed that others haven’t worked it out! A few friends also know because I’ve informed them of my results.

      Btw why have you booted out a 3rd serious researcher from your group when you state that you want the truth about PAM to emerge? Curiouser & curiouser….

      Cheers
      Huskydog

      • Huskydog – then why be shy? You make bold statements, Yet you have no proof. It’s like saying I know the person on the grassy knoll -what a waste of knowledge if I don’t share it. It sort of makes a mockery of what research is about. You wouldn’t have any information if the likes of Stewart, Joe, Andrew,OzBoy, Mary,Dee, Terry and many more high quality researchers didn’t share their information. Why be selfish ???

  7. “the guy getting out of the same ambo Martin Bryant was travelling into hospital in, Who is this guy,”

    I talked to Andrew MacGregor about this guy. Andrew did some research and found a witness statement about him. On further research the person and the police number did not exist. I don’t have further particulars, but it is a strong lead. Maybe Andrew still has the information, I’ll check with him.

    The best theory about how the ‘team’ exited Seascape on the morning is that a new group of police was brought it to relieve the SOG guys from the previous night. The SOG guys were dressed in all black and the new guys were in camo fatigues. With the new guys arriving and all the new faces, the team in Seascape slipped out, one in Black the other in fatigues and blended in with all the other couples that were forming up.

    Bryant was supposed to die in the fire. They had given him a load of barbiturates to knock him out, but they miscalculated the dosage – Bryant wasn’t a ‘normal’ human being. Bryant had spent a life living in a fog and being clumsy and had developed a strong ability to compensate. When he woke up from the fire, he probably thought it was just one more day in a stuffed up life – he struggled out of Seascape.

    It looks like they may have put the ‘camo fatigue’ guy in the ambulance with Bryant to see if they could get another opportunity at eliminating Bryant.

    • Huskydog, I was typing while you were posting. Is your research on the camo fatigue guy consistent with what I posted?

    • Terry Schulz I don’t think he was supposed to die in the fire..”I have him in my sight, permission to shoot” …”permission denied this has to happen”

      • The person in “the sights” could have been the “other shooter”. (The guy shooting the “cough machine” on the tapes.) Imagine them shooting an insider inside the cottage? By the time the fire happened… the second shooter (or only shooter at the cottage) was long gone… snuck out while there was a stand down in the dead of night. The investigation would have been a closed case if Bryant has been incinerated. But those dreaded interrogations open up a whole can of worms…

        They dragged Bryant through the mincer try to get a guilty plea… which good ol’ Avery managed to con.

        As Terry says: They could’ve solved the case with one finger print comparison from the solo can. The whole case is DISGRACEFUL.

        • And that we have to debate here 22 plus years later just amplifies how disgraceful the system is. There is almost no need to debate the issue UNTIL we know the identity of that fingerprint. And we think we live in the lucky country with its democracy.

          • Dee, as a barrister who has dealt with evidence in court for years, this case was obvious even BEFORE the ‘Police Eyes Only’ video tape that showed the existence of the food tray.

            As you pointed out, the fact that 22 years later, after the video tape and then later the Willessee (sp) 20 year anniversary program that showed the Record of Interview was a cut-and-paste job and so many more bits of evidence – this case shows how much the Rule of Law has declined in Australia.

            If Ozzies are willing to ignore this case, then God forbid what awaits them in the future.

      • Helen, the person that was in the sights was not Bryant. If the marksman would have taken the shot, I expect he would have shot the actual killer. – That person referred to in the radio transmission was pursuing a woman at the time, presumably Mrs. Martin, who was subdued with a crushing blow to the head, which she died from.

        After the massacre and siege, the ‘team’ was extracted and the patsy, Martin Bryant, was suppose to die and leave no witnesses behind. Opps, that didn’t quite work out the way they wanted it to, but then a lot of things in this ‘fustercluck’ of an operation didn’t work out the way the conspirators wanted it to.

  8. Terry thanks for the information i like reading your posts your so full of information and research material, Huskydog i kicked him out of the group the other night when serous conversation was going on questioning who that guy was, in the picture your friend was making jokes of things while a serious conversation was going on, interesting you say he is the 3rd serious researcher, since joining the group he has never shared onsite books, stories, articles websites or videos he is just a arm chair warrior making snide remarks here and there, if he was so serious as you say why has he never shared any information with the group.

    • Lloyd, I don’t know what went on between you and Huskydog, but what you said seems consistent with his above post. He indicates he has some in depth knowledge from years of research, but doesn’t share it. He then goes on that he is amazed that others haven’t worked it out. – Sounds like a ‘wannabe’.

      There’s a way to prove he’s not full of it, just post the information…

      I’ve sent Andrew and email and hopefully he will still have the information

    • The question: Was the information from this person of serious consideration — or was the person ejected for not towing the general consensus?

  9. Was proposing to post an article requesting answers from Hans Overbeeke if Mary is able to meet with him, but it seems other interested parties “have beaten me to the gun” via this comments section.

    If this letter was sent by the real Hans Overbeeke could he answer why he was there in his work clothing. People do not usually wear their specialised work clothes when they are visiting places like historical sites, amongst others well dressed. How far is the closest abattoir from the Port Arthur Historic Site, where I assume he worked? Does this abattoir operate on a Sunday?

    He mentions that his son Benjamin was killed at a bus stop, but does not suggest, how he was killed. Since Benjamin’s name was mentioned and suicide was supposed to have been the cause of death, I was very suspicious of that said cause. If Benjamin was the gunman there would be many individuals and certain organisations that would be quite keen for him to be silenced forever.

    Upon his death, were all of the firearms, if any owned by him, confiscated by the police and test fired to compare rounds with those that struck victims at Port Arthur?

    A request I have put to Commissioner of the Banking Royal Commission to look into is, “was there a bank account in the name of Benjamin Overbeeke operated with the Commonwealth Bank which had a large deposit paid in, and by what organisation or person? And what happened to any residue of that account upon his death?”

    • Dear Mal, I will pop any qq u wish.

      Please explain the abattoir clothing reference. What is your source?

      Here in Adelaide the Overbeekes own the Affordable Air Conditioner shop which is near Burnside Village and near Glenside Hospital, and near moi. I did not hear he was an abattoir man.

      Welcome to new commenters. Nice to hear that A is open to B’s ideas about C, etc. That sure makes the future look hopeful.

      Anyone else care to sign in with “presente– that would be a nice roll call.

    • Idiots, in the photo of me carrying the plasma bottle to the helicopter I,m wearing hiking boots and hiking clothes.

  10. Dee and Terry no, a few members and I were having a serious conversation about the picture of the guy dressed in army gear getting out of the ambo, and the guy who i kicked out made snide remarks and was laughing at us for having the conversation going on, so i was PM a few complaints about this guy either get involved in the conversation or boot him, this picture which also the mainstream media shows of that guy sitting in front of the Ambo is the only concuslive evidence and proof that maybe a former member of the military was involved in some way to PAM.

  11. Just a heads up has anyone considered that Ben Overbeeke was actually Jamie. Benjamin is his full name. When I say Jamie I mean the Jamie that was on the telephone with the police at seascape. I am sure I read some where that Han’s Overbeeke – nickname was Rick.

  12. Has anyone considered that Ben Overbeeke was actually Jamie at seascape. Jamie or James can be nicknames for Benjamin. I read somewhere that Rick was Mike Dyson nickname can anyone validate that?

  13. Our politicians are either utterly corrupt or complete idiots.
    Whichever way the future looks like business as usual for the connected .

  15. I don’t want to put a damper on some ‘read somewhere theories’. I know comments are all part of the discussion. But I’d like to add my skeptical eye over some of the suggestions here. It is easy to make an allegation that actually diverts the discussion. There is even the chance that someone involved in the massacre could monitor this discussion and throw in wild suggestions — to deflect and discredit the ongoing dialogue from the many serious commenters. I would add caution.

    Why not work out how we are going to get those solo fingerprints — so the discussion can end.

    • Dunno about no finger-printin, Dee. Were you around when the Bed Intruder song became popular?

      The number of musicians who re-arranged it was terrific. I began to wonder if it was a real event as soon as they they showed a cop taking fingerprints from the lid of the garbage can.

      Do they really solve crimes in “the project” this way? I won’t show the Youtube video here, as I — for once– don’t want to interrupt the discussion with music.

      (The remix has had 18 MILLION hits.)

    • If you can get Martin Bryant original voice when he was interviewed as a 12 year old. Then compare it with the seascape police audio – of the telephone call. Even the police interview of Martin in the police interview. It will determine if in fact that was Martin Bryant on the phone at seascape. Using Praat linguistic software.

  16. “But I’d like to add my skeptical eye over some of the suggestions here. It is easy to make an allegation that actually diverts the discussion. There is even the chance that someone involved in the massacre could monitor this discussion and throw in wild suggestions — to deflect and discredit the ongoing dialogue from the many serious commenters. I would add caution.”

    Yep, they come out of the woodwork at times…

    I’ve received a response from Andrew.

  18. Mal, if I recall, the first 150 pages are about guns, as such. The next 250 are about PAM.

    I recommend you enter the word “verge” into search of that document. You will see how diligently Stewart put together the shots fired at cars by a gunman standing outside the driveway of Seascape at 2pm, “on the verge” of the road.

    Some people say there were 3 gunmen. I go along with that! I mean of course I don’t know but it is sensible.

  19. If Ozzies are willing to ignore this case, then God forbid what awaits them in the future.

    The future is here. Ozzies still seeming to ignore. Because of mockingbird to some degree(fudging numbers)Some theories about intelligence, can not be on the table now, making it harder. If it wasn’t hard enough.

    My view is only this problem goes further back. Just about any “theory” shows a co-ordinated suppression of process. Must have taken at least some time to develop the environment needed
    for “pick a theory” to work.

    Law aware people here if I am right are saying there is maybe a mechanism to review this? could any amount of signatures force a review without the executive(or other) being able to intervene.???

    To have a good attempt at a commission might bring more awareness, if I try to be positive. Is there legislation for a required number of signatures to start any review process with the executive ?

    Any theory I can think off will have a lot of resistance. Could the Law be seen as dysfunctional, in a context of PAM, if it moved towards a conspiracy.

    I wouldn’t even mind the tab we would get on this one.

    I have no doubt the official story would quickly fall apart, should it find air. That the nux.

    • Who has any way of knowing that a man dressed in camo sat in the ambulance? Surely there is not reliable record of any of this.

      And how will it help us to figure out who shot whom? The government won’t accept any data that bears on the case. The Port Arthur controversy is at a higher level than us trying to decide who wore what gear, or whose voice matches whose.

      Wait till you see Dee’s new post on “bots.” Whew.

  20. Mary, the dude wearing camo. gear in ambulance, photographed is in Keith Nobles documentation. I have a copy. By the way I have just found out Dr Keith Noble is also known as Joe Vialls and has many other names.

    • This is a red herring – don’t believe everything you read. The biggest question can you provided evidence above the conspiracy theories. If you can – then I am interested. I made the same mistake. I apologizes to Mr Noble – sincerely for making the same assumption.

    • aussiemal….I can assure you that Dr. Keith Allan Noble is NOT Joe Vialls nor Ari ben Menashe. That myth has been around for many years….

  22. Han Overbeeke is over confident. Seriously thinks he is untouchable. Did his son really die at his own hands ? I wonder – when this mess if over – who will be – judas

  23. Paul Moder of WASP film identified the man in camo sitting in the ambulance as Captail Hales of the SAS, killed shortly afterwards in the Black hawk disaster.

    The testimony i received was from an extremely elderly couple who were on the ferry.

    “On the day, a blonde man carrying a bag rushed up and tried to get on the ferry. The captain said no, they were full and he would have to wait for the next one.
    Blonde man did not like that one bit. He swore and stormed up and down the jetty, muttering to himself, then went up towards the visitors centre as the ferry pulled away.

    They later phoned the police helpline, told their story and offered to identify the man, but the police never called them back. They formed the opinion that the information they had did not match the official story and was not wanted.”

    Now, this is only their recollection and it somewhat contradicts my theory of the target, but it is what it is. They never believed Martin did it, based on how their evidence was treated.

    This will be the basis of a revised version of my novel, to be released before Christmas.

    • “On the day, a blonde man carrying a bag rushed up and tried to get on the ferry.”

      The schedule for the ferry had been changed 2 weeks prior to the massacre. There was no ‘Captain’ to tell anyone they were full as there was no ferry there.

    • Hey Oskar

      The elderly couple you speak of, have you been in contact with them or are you quoting from old statements / materials?

  25. hi Mary, I have been running many fb pages on this for over 10 years. In summary the truth seems to be:
    1, The shooter at BA Café was either Ben and / or Warren Overbeeke, but where did they get training in “Spray-fire from the hip” which is taught at Army JTC Canungra to SAS and other special forces. It trains soldiers to fire from the hip and swivel to “clear” a room.
    2. Or it was SAS Captain Hales? If so why did he wait around until all day until the Ambulences arrived? The photo in the Army soldier n the Ambulance has blondish hair as Hales was brown – did he dye it and have it cut after the shooting?
    3. Another theory is that it was US Navy Seals who arrived and went by submarine.
    4. Andrew McGregor has id’d the shooter at seascape was definitely Michael Charles Dyson, ex SOG Sgt, “Rick” who lured MB in as part of an “exercise” thus MB saying “don’t shoot, I’m the hostage” when he escaped alive, and thus led to the Kangaroot court. He has posted many times on this page mocking me and the truth. https://www.facebook.com/PortArthurMartinBryantInnocent/
    Dyson will be in Tasmania in December so it could be possible to have him arrested or interviewed.
    https://www.facebook.com/michael.dyson.12720
    5. There is a DSD “D” notice on this meaning the media can’t report the truth under “National Security”
    6. If you focus on Dyson you may get movement, the BA Café theory is too hard to id the real shooter(s)

    May the truth be known
    JC

    • Good question – Helen – from all accounts it seems like Mary has been warned off .While I respect Mary for being loyal to her own safety it’ poses more question to who this person really is ??? while we ponder – I wonder who is Angel to this ghost. Karma is impotent to this weird case ., just remember all comes out in the wash later .

  27. I would subpoena all of those listed in the picture and place them under a lie detector test for a start. Also any ASIO personnel that were on site at the time. This so-called”National Security” defence by compulsive lying politicians, police and ASIO is overused and abused to cover up criminality and mistakes.

  28. Lloyd T Vance kicked me out of his group for suggesting he edit a long document he had prepared before he sent it to the intended recipient. The grammar, spelling and punctuation required correction and in my opinion (book publisher), would therefore make the author and document credible.

    LLoyd T Vance responded with an angry outburst and asked if I thought I was better than everyone else, and stated that I had not contributed anything worthwhile and gave me five mintes to remove my post or be booted out. I did not remove my post.

    Lloyd T Vance has a problem with criticism, even constructive criticism.

  29. I’ve been reading quite a bit about the PAM in the past few days and trying to make sense of it all. There’s some amazing content that’s been shared in this article as well as a couple of resources for further reading regarding the PAM.

    http://thedarktruth.org/2016/03/09/port-arthur-massacre-mossad-operation/

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/JoeVialls.html

    I hope that one day the truth comes to light…. it feels like a massive cover-up with several different organisations/groups involved (including the Australian Government at the time). I certainly don’t believe that Martin Bryant could have been responsible for this as I have watched his interrogation footage and it appears that he had been coerced into his guilty “plea”.

  30. Michael (Rick ) Dyson was stated by Andrew McGregor as the person in Seascape with Martin Bryant. Dyson had a shack at Port Arthur, & was a SOG, but was nowhere in sight at the most important “Event” ever set up by Tas.Police. He set up a security business 1 year later in Hobart.

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