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Talk about 9-11 — Graeme McQueen Uncovers the Early Reports

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by Mary W Maxwell, LLB

Dear Neighbor,

It is well past time that you faced up to the simple truth that the 9-11 disaster was not carried out in the way described in the media.  Happily, one of the candidates for US presidency in 2020 — Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii — has asked that the records be unsealed.

If this is all new to you, it may be terribly shocking — but please know that there are good people to support you as you pass through the same shocking experience that they had to pass through. I promise you will come out the other side feeling relieved. You have friends!

Let’s start with three simple points against which I bet you won’t have much comeback:

Point One: A total of three, not two, buildings collapsed at the World Trade Center: North Tower, South Tower, and Building 7.  Possibly you did not hear about Bldg 7 — it was  47 stories high and came down at 5pm on the same day that the towers had fallen in the morning.

The media’s ability to bar the public from finding that a 47-story building fell, is testament to the amazing hold they have over us.

(Presumably the reason CNN kept it  hush-hush is that the fall of Bldg 7 does not fit the narrative about “hijackers.”)

WTC7:  (L) standing tall (R) on its way down (took 6 seconds)

Point Two: The nature of the fall of the two Towers was that of demolition, not collapse. You need nothing more than the eyes God gave you, to see that a huge amount of debris got ejected leftward, rightward, and far upward — not downward by good old gravity.

There are numerous photos of a huge explosion. The government failed to present any photo that would match its claim of a pancake-like collapse. And anyway, scientists have clearly shown that steel-framed buildings cannot fall due to fires. Relax — all the skyscrapers in the world are safe even if arsonists try their best to make them fall.

Point Three:  A diligent Canadian researcher, Dr Graeme McQueen,  has recently bothered to collect very early remarks from CNN reporters who were on the spot in New York that day. They reported the fall of the towers as involving huge explosions. But by mid-day, when their bosses reined them in, broadcasters started to “agree” that it had been a plain old collapse.

I now present McQueen’s work. He first published it at OffGuardian.org.

Initial Reports of Explosions  — Found by McQueen

[Note: the attacks on the North Tower took place at 8:46am and it fell at 10:28am. The South Tower was attacked at 9:03 and was the first to fall, at 9:59am.]

Aaron Brown was a news anchor during most of CNN’s coverage on September 11, 2001.  Shortly after 9:59 a.m. Brown had been standing on a roof in New York City about 30 blocks from the World Trade Center. He was looking directly at the South Tower as it was destroyed. He was not just a journalist and not just a news anchor: he was an eyewitness.

He immediately interrupted a journalist who was reporting live about the Pentagon:

“Wow! Jamie. Jamie, I need you to stop for a second. There has just been a huge explosion…we can see a billowing smoke rising…and I can’t…I’ll tell you that I can’t see that second Tower. But there was a cascade of sparks and fire and now this…it looks almost like a mushroom cloud, explosion, this huge, billowing smoke in the second Tower…” (9:59:07 a.m.)

Then he went to his reporters on the scene, as well as to authorities, to try and sort out which hypothesis was correct. Here are examples of his [Aaron Brown’s] setting forth—after the first building was destroyed and again after the second was destroyed—the rival hypotheses:

“and then just in the last several minutes there has been a second explosion or, at least, perhaps not an explosion, perhaps part of the building simply collapsed. And that’s what we saw and that’s what we’re looking at.” (10:03:47)

“This is just a few minutes ago…we don’t know if…something happened, another explosion, or if the building was so weakened…it just collapsed.” (10:04:36 a.m.)

“We believe now that we can say that both, that portions of both Towers of the World Trade Centre, have collapsed. Whether there were second explosions, that is to say, explosions other than the planes hitting them, that caused this to happen we cannot tell you.” (10:29:21 a.m.)

[continuing with McQueen’s article about CNN’s Aaron Brown]:

“Our reporters in the area say they heard loud noises when that happened. It is unclear to them and to us whether those were explosions going on in the building or if that was simply the sound of the collapse of the buildings as they collapsed, making these huge noises as they came down.” (11:17:45 a.m.)

Brown’s honest reporting of his perceptions was balanced repeatedly by his caution. Here is an example:  “It almost looks…it almost looks like one of those implosions of buildings that you see except there is nothing controlled about this…this is devastation.” (10:53:10 a.m.)

His next move, having set forth the two hypotheses, was to ask his reporters on the scene, who were choking on pulverized debris and witnessing gruesome scenes, what they perceived.

Reporter Brian Palmer said honestly that he was not in a position to resolve the issue.

Brown: “Was there…Brian, did it sound like there was an explosion before the second collapse, or was the noise the collapse itself?” (10:41:08 a.m.)

Palmer: “Well, from our distance…I was not able to distinguish between an explosion and the collapse. We were several hundred yards away. But we clearly saw the building come down. I heard your report of a fourth explosion: I can’t confirm that. But we heard some “boom” and then the building fold in on itself.”

 Prof Graeme McQueen

Two others [earlier on] were more definite about what they perceived.

Brown: “Rose, whadya got?” (10:29:43 a.m.)

Rose Arce: “I’m about a block away. And there were several people that were hanging out the windows right below where the plane crashed, when suddenly you saw the top of the building start to shake, and people began leaping from the windows in the north side of the building. You saw two people at first plummet and then a third one, and then the entire top of the building just blew up…”

Brown: “Who do we have on the phone, guys? Just help me out here. Patty, are you there?” (10:57:51 a.m.)

Patty: “Yes, I am here.”

Brown: “Whaddya got?”

Patty: “About an hour ago I was on the corner of Broadway and Park Place—that’s about a thousand yards from the World Trade Center—when the first Tower collapsed. It was a massive explosion. At the time the police were trying desperately to evacuate people from the area. When that explosion occurred, it was like a scene out of a horror film.”

As can be seen, the explosion hypothesis was flourishing. Even the news caption at the bottom of the screen shortly after the destruction of the South Tower (10:03:12 a.m.) is striking to read today:

“THIRD EXPLOSION SHATTERS WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NEW YORK”

Brown continued to explore his hypotheses, this time by consulting authorities.  First Brown consulted a political authority. He got the Mayor of New York City on the line.

Brown: “Sir, do you believe that…was there another set of explosions that caused the buildings to collapse, or was it the structural damage caused by the planes?” (12:31:45 p.m.)

Giuliani: “I don’t, I don’t know, I, uh, I, uh…I, I saw the first collapse and heard the second ‘cause I was in a building when the second took place. I think it was structural but I cannot be sure.”

Could not possibly be the result of a collapse — MM

Sorry I don’t know the source of this photo — but it must be official, as no aircraft other than official ones would have been allowed to be aloft in the area — MM

Later in the afternoon Giuliani got his script right and was more definite in ruling out explosions. Finally, Brown brought in an engineer:

Brown: “Jim De Stefano is a structural engineer. He knows about big buildings and what happens in these sort of catastrophic moments. He joins us from Deerfield, Connecticut on the phone. Jim, the plane hits…what…and I hope this isn’t a terribly oversimplified question, but what happens to the building itself?” (04:20:45 p.m.)

DeStefano: “…It’s a tremendous impact that’s applied to the building when a collision like this occurs. And it’s clear that that impact was sufficient to do damage to the columns and the bracing system supporting the building. That coupled with the fire raging and the high temperatures softening the structural steel then precipitated a destabilization of the columns and clearly the columns buckled at the lower floors causing the building to collapse.”

[McQueen says that DeStefano] was in no position to make this claim. There had been no photographic or video analysis of the building destruction, no analysis of the remains of the WTC, no cataloguing of eyewitnesses…. He was silencing a journalist who was sincerely trying to discover the truth.

… Anyone who wants a contrast to Brown’s performance is free to watch the work of Fox News anchor, Jon Scott, on September 11, 2001. The same confidence that allowed him to name Bin Laden as a suspect 42 seconds after the impact of the second plane allowed him to proclaim the structural failure hypothesis directly after the destruction of the South Tower. He persisted even when his reporters in the field clearly spoke of explosions.

David Lee Miller reported:  “we heard a very loud blast, an explosion. We looked up, and the building literally began to collapse before us…” (10:01:17 a.m.)

Rick Leventhal said:  “The FBI is here, as you can see. They had roped this area off. They were taking photographs and securing this area just prior to that huge explosion that we all heard and felt.” (10:06:39 a.m.)

Prof Graeme McQueen

— end of McQueen’s remarks.  Dr. Graeme MacQueen is a retired Associate Professor from the Department of Religious Studies at McMaster University, Canada. Here is the link to a video in which he explains the foregoing.

The Metro Newspaper

Dear Neighbor,

If you live in a city that gives the national newspaper, Metro,  for free at train stations, you may have seen the September 11 edition this year (2019). I picked one up in Boston.  Its op-ed piece was written by a lady, Ms Becca Glasser-Baker, who was 9 years old on 9-11, when her uncle died in the South Tower. She states:

“It took me 17 years before I finally got the courage to visit the National September 11 Memorial by myself on the anniversary of the attacks. Prior to last year, I had always commemorated the anniversary in my hometown…

“Working my way through the crowds, I was scared, sad, and every emotion in between. To my horror, I was met with conspiracy theorists yelling in my face and proclaiming that, “there was a third tower,” “the government did this” and finally, “the Twin Tower attacks never happened.”

“As a New Yorker, I’m usually not fazed by people waving signs and yelling, but this was different.  I was overwhelmed by their hateful words, and I broke down.”

I [Mary Maxwell] now address the writer.

Dear Ms Glasser-Baker,

It is terrible that your uncle died young and I am sorry the protestors bothered you. The three things they were yelling are, sadly, true. That is,  there was a third tower — definitely; the government did this — horrendous though that may sound; and the Muslim attacks — the hijacker story — is nonsense.

I was a “protestor” at this year’s anniversary, flanked here by two of my colleagues. We are gentle souls.

We are worried  about what the young are being taught. Recently, the Young America Foundation wrote:

“… high school and college campuses across the country took part in the largest, nationwide initiative to remember those murdered by Islamists on September 11, 2001…. Unfortunately, most schools have turned the anniversary … into a politically-correct day …. The New York Times reported yesterday “airplanes” took aim at buildings

The Young America Foundation means that it is “unfortunate ” that the word “Islamists” was omitted and replaced by the neutral word  “airplanes.”

Ms Glasser-Baker, your teachers may have told it to you. And probably they believed it. I myself believed it from 2001 to 2005. Nevertheless, it definitely was not a “Muslim” or “Arab” operation.

No matter how much some folks want to be contented with the “knowledge” that Bin Laden ran the show, Bin Laden did not run the show. Bin Laden did not possess tons of explosives. And Bin Laden did not direct the editorial position of CNN.

It is wrong of us, and stupid of us, to conjure up a suspect and let the blame rest there.

It is well past time for us to get a grip. Dare I say, your uncle would not want to be “used” as part of a false story. I sure hope that when I die, people don’t circulate a wrong story as to how I passed.

And if it was done by X, I want X, and not Y, to be brought to book.

Let’s work together to get at the truth.

Yours truly, Mary Maxwell

 

I was a “protestor” at this year’s anniversary, flanked here by two of my colleagues. We are gentle souls.

 

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  1. It is almost unbelievable that in this era of the computer and internet that people are still fooled by the MSM, Government and Intelligence Agencies that the official story is true.

    Are there millions of people owning a computer that don’t care to check the alternative story when it is pointed out to them? Unfortunately, yes!

    I hope that because of the good job that Giuliani is doing in uncovering the crimes in Ukraine, he does not get to escape the crimes that he was involved in during 9/11. He definitely had fore-knowledge of that event.

    • Aussiemal, agree totally with your post mate. It really PISSES me off big time, that folks who should know better, don’t have the brains to investigate the claims made for themselves, to verify their authenticity. Especially Australians, (as we were more fortunate than Americans, we received the LIVE transmissions) wherein the owner of building 7, stated for all the World to hear, “HE HAD DECIDED TO PULL THE BUILDING”. No one, anywhere in the World, that I know of, (which includes Australia) has ever questioned, how he could have arranged to plant explosives to bring the building down in such a short time. Demolishing a building in this way, requires careful planning of how many explosives to use, and the best places to plant them, then the wiring involved to connect them all. Not a job done in twenty minutes. Yet, nowhere, not one authoritive voice, including the M.S.M. alleged journalists, ever asked the question ; WHEN WAS THE BUILDING WIRED FOR DESTRUCTION ? Clearly, evidence to validate this event was thoroughly planned quiet some time before it was initiated. Furthermore, it most definetly was not planned in a cave in Afghanistan, more than likely the Pentagon.

  2. I hammer this 911 rubbish often to try in sway the sleepyheads, in case they just need 15 more minutes.(everyone knows that feeling).
    I would just advise caution over the unsealed records though, for a couple of reasons.
    1 – who wrote the records.
    2 – who could control amendments to those “sealed” records.
    There is plenty of evidence to what happened that day without them.

      • Really Dee ???? How does that explain the fact, wiring a building for demolition, and then ordering it to be “pulled”, was not done by the Saudis, in fact the reality tells us it was done by the JEWISH owner, and the probability of the planning/planting explosives and wiring was done by a Israeli company. So if the finger is being pointed at the Saudis, how does the above information coincide with such claims ? The only connection with the Saudis could be financial, but to this point in time, nothing of any consequence in that regard has ever surfaced. Just as has become the normal these days, of claims and allegations without the slightest shred of factual evidence to support them.

    • Sounds like you haven’t had much personal experience of dealing with corporate fraud
      When push comes to shove the players are never even half as smart or organised as they’d like you to believe

  3. About 7 hrs before the tragedy of 9/11, Rumsfeld made a pretty big announcement about how Trillions (with a T) were missing from the pentagon’s budget, the missile that hit the pentagon just happen to hit where all the documentation for spending was. Gee, imagine that!

    Weapons of mass destruction, ahh, that’d be the American government.

    Sept 10, 2001 (evening before 9/11) Rumsfeld reports a missing 2.3 Trillion (that’s with a T!!) missing from the pentagon’s budget). This was totally ignored due to 9/11.
    https://youtu.be/xU4GdHLUHwU

  4. “the missile that hit the pentagon” – Gawd, to think this disinformation is STILL being thrown about. It was a 737-200 that hit the Pentagon, please update your information.

    • In the only CCTV that survived the day is a frame of a “what’s it a nose?” then OPPS a big ball of fire in the next frame. If you look hard enough you can imagine a 737-200 tail light in the explosion.

    • Really Terry, you need to take a blue pill and have a good lie down. Your false claim is not supported by the evidence lying on the ground that day. In particular the engines, or should I say lack thereof TWO. There was only ONE engine lying on the ground that day, such engines have never in the history of aviation disintegrated into dust, (as claimed with the plane allegedly brought down over the farming fields for one.) Moreover, the engine that was evident, had PART No’s engraved upon it. It could be ascertained so incredibly easy to compare these part numbers with the manufacturer to discover precisely what the engine was fitted to. Yet this was not done. Why not ??????????????? B.T.W. how come every pilot licensed to operate a 737/757 or whatever, has gone on record, to stated the flight envelope could not have been done with such planes ? These men, many of them Ex military pilots know the inside/outside of these planes, I hesitate far better than you, yet you claim to know it better than them ????????????? Why is that ? Because maybe you stand to gain, by persuing the FALSE narrative being pushed by the perpetrators of the biggest crime of the century ???

      • Well Eddy, I twigged to 9-11 being a psy-op within the first week. I got on a forum with other former military and civilian pilots and we were discussing the objective evidence at the Pentagon.

        There was pictures of the port engine. Several air frame and power plant mechanics on the forum said the engine was the JT8D. We tried getting pictures of the engine or a diagram off the ‘net – everything was being ‘scrubbed’ as fast as we could look it up.

        There were several disinformation posts to derail the conversation. One was that it was not a JT8D but an auxiliary power unit (which was absurd). The best disinformation posts were that the engine was from a ‘Skyraider’ jet (which used the JT8D). Again it was absurd that a fighter jet could be painted up to look like an American airlines multi-engine commercial jet.

        Finally, someone located a JT8D engine in an aviation museum (I think it was in Ohio, but it was somewhere in the mid-west). The picture of the engine in the museum matched the engine outside the Pentagon.

        Yep, there are plenty of parts on an aircraft that have serial numbers, all of which could be used to match to not just a model, but to an actual specific aircraft. – I don’t recall the authorities ever mentioning ANY serial numbers from either a 757 or 737, funny about that…

        “These men, many of them Ex military pilots know the inside/outside of these planes, I hesitate far better than you, yet you claim to know it better than them ????????????? Why is that ? Because maybe you stand to gain, by persuing the FALSE narrative being pushed by the perpetrators of the biggest crime of the century ???”

        That cracked me up, I am a former military pilot. I have seen heaps of aircraft crashes. I did two tours in ‘Nam. The black soot from the JP-4 in the wing tanks would tell anyone familiar with aircraft crashes that the fireball rolled up that wall.

        Your logic is extremely faulty. A FALSE narrative? Crikey, you fool, I explained that it WASN’T a 757 like the official narrative. I gave objective evidence of what it really was and how it is consistent with the many witnesses that gave statements that said it was a multi-engine airline with American airline markings.

        Dunning/Kruger again…

        • Well Terry, IF what you say is valid, and your claims of being a “former military pilot” are valid, how come it contradicts the claims made by other pilots and the air traffic controllers ????? Someone is not telling the truth here. Is it either the former military and commercial pilots, or the traffic controlers or you ?

    • “Gawd, to think this disinformation is STILL being thrown about. ”

      There was apparently lots of CCTV recordings confiscated that would have likely shown what it was exactly that hit the pentagon, but even after releasing new vision… they still havnt shown any evidence that shows it was a either a 737 or a 757.

      Why wouldnt they show the evidence?
      my best guess would be because they dont have any.
      Given all the evidence of all their lies however, if they say a plane hit the pentagon, Im saying theyre lying.. again! 🙂

  5. Not just the Towers and WTC7 were affected.EVERY building on the WTC site was damaged and yet structures merely a street away were minimally impacted.Look at the aerial photos.Many buildings with circular holes.Yes I will mention the elephant in the room-DEW technology.

  6. Allegedly there were 4 W40 mini-nukes – 2 in the lift shafts of the twin towers. Thermite to do some grilling beforehand. That what the photographs look like

  7. Sheeple are everywhere. I agree that Giulliani will have to spill the beans on what he knew. Perhaps that’s why he is working so hard to destabilise the deep state. Maybe he was blackmailed to follow the narrative. Or he has a guilty conscience. Either way, this is a phenomenal mass murder operation orchestrated by the American govt. And the missing trillions of dollars is inescapable incentive for a distracting spectacle. All those involved in the farce should be rounded up and handed over to the relatives of those who lost their lives, their children, and their physical and mental strength as a result. Unforgivable evil.

    • Agree with you totally, Rachel, BUT, who is going to do the rounding up of these criminals, when the whole government /policing as well as many in the military, are all complicit in the crime ??? Recall too, the put options that were placed, so definetly someone had prior knowledge of what was going down. Yet that information has also disappeared off the radar.

    • Our silence, on nine eleven, has brought us to where we are.
      Prosperity hijacked, handed to ccp and now with scorched earth policy, clearing the land for mass invasion. Freemasonry is entrenched, they hold all power positions. The ring that unites them is corruption deception lies and pedophelia. A secret brother/sister hood of perverts with membership from all nations and creeds, dedicated to satanism and genocide of nine tenth’s of world’s population.
      If we stop WED’s and all weapons of mass destruction, overnight poverty and injustice is eliminated. Fair go common wealth returns to all people worldwide.
      This world is big enough to hold billions more, all we need is to live simply naturally and truthfully. Otherwise artificial insanity computerised snooping world disorder, with the machines and robots they’re replacing us with, will murder all living creatures plants great and small.

      There are only two ways, His love or their evol.
      The line has been drawn on the sands of time, be inspired in truth and the infinite beauty in all creation.

      • Sorry, WED’s should be DEW’s.
        Dyslexia confuses me, leading to prayer and cursing simultaneously.
        Only in faith can prayers overcome the paganism of the sinner in me.

  8. Great article Mary.

    Readers may also be interested in the following video which puts to rest the ‘ No planes hit the towers ** ‘ theory once & for all :

    ** The ‘ no planes theory ‘ is based on the impossibility that, as per the video evidence, it appears that the planes went through the facade of the twin towers like a hot knife through butter.

    In actuality, the fuselage of each aircraft should have crumpled up upon impact with the very robust ‘ exo-skeletal ‘ structure of each tower & most of the debris should have fallen on to the street below. ( The engines composed of high grade steel & titanium may well have punctured the facade of each building but the bulk of the body structure would not ) .

    For those of you unable to watch the whole video, you need only watch the few minutes from 1:17:50 to 1:21:00 for proof that a depleted uranium (DU) missile was fired from each aircraft just prior to impact.

    For those of you puzzled at how commercial aircraft ( alleged to be AA11 & UA175 ) were capable of firing missiles , the aircraft that impacted with the twin towers were not commercial types.

    And ….. no one died on either plane.

    That’s because there was NO ONE on either plane. They were Northrop Grumman E-10 MC2A drones ( as used by the military / Intel agencies ).

    An E-10 MC2A is based on a Boeing 767-400ER & thus looks almost identical to a commercial 767 .

    If you're wondering what sort of missile was used as the forward firing ordnance to punch a hole in the twin towers , it was a :

    Lockheed Martin Rocket-boosted guided hard target penetrator ‘ Bunker Buster ‘ air to ground missile.

    It was patented 3 weeks before 9/11 ( although I’m told it had been operational long before that ) .

    Refer below for specs :

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US6276277

    The same AGM may also have been used to punch a hole through the C, D & E rings of the Pentagon ( fired from a Raytheon owned Douglas A-3 Skywarrior just prior to it impacting with the west wall of the Pentagon ).

    Others have suggested it may have been an AGM-65 Maverick.

  9. Terry / Dee , you are mistaken if you believe a 737 variant ( or any commercial aircraft ) struck the Pentagon on 9/11 .

    The reasoning for it is simple. The ‘ alleged ‘ AA77 approached the Pentagon from the North & from an elevation of 8000 feet ( about 2500 m ) did a descending 270 degree corkscrew turn, all the while travelling at around 450 – 500 knots.

    Air traffic controllers monitoring this manoeuvre commented that this was evidently a military / fighter aircraft & when asked why they thought that, they said that ONLY a fighter aircraft was capable of performing such a turn at that speed.

    NO Boeing or Airbus commercial aircraft or any variant could have even remotely been able to do this . They would have exceeded their G-limits & disintegrated .

    • Sorry, I don’t know. I was throwing in the gif (a mock up) of a plane 757 dubbed over the CCTV footage. I thought it was a drone of sorts.

    • The speeds during the downward spiral were not 450-500 kts. The speed was first recorded when ATC Creedon applied the LOOK tag at the southernmost point. It was 291. It was 347 at the impact time. I’m reading this information in the FAA radar text files.

  10. My comments on the impossibility of a large / wide-bodied commercial aircraft being unable to perform the manoeuvres alleged prior to impacting with the Pentagon are not speculation. They are sourced from experienced pilots & aeronautical engineers .

    You might also like to read the comments in the following article by Danielle O’Brien ( air traffic controller who was monitoring the ‘ bizarrely wayward manoueuvres ‘ of the aircraft approaching the Pentagon on 9/11 ).

    The article follows : https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822&page=1

    You need only scroll to the following paragraph which I’ll reproduce below :

    ‘ The speed, the manouevrability , the way he turned , we all thought in the radar room , all of us experienced air traffic controllers , that this was a military plane ‘ , says O’ Brien.
    You don’t fly a 757 in that manner . It’s unsafe ‘ .

    The ‘ it’s unsafe ‘ is an understatement of the decade.

    What she was thinking was it is IMPOSSIBLE.

    The exact same manoeuvre has been attempted numerous times in 757 flight simulators by experienced pilots with tens of thousands of hours of commercial flight hours logged ( on top of 1000’s of hours flying fighter aircraft in the military ).

    All of them to a man COULD NOT perform the manoeuvre which was allegedly attributed to Hani Hanjour ( the alleged hijacker who piloted AA77 ) .

    YES, that’s the SAME Hani Hanjour who could NOT fly a single engined Cessna at his flight school in Arizona & was deemed ‘ unsafe ‘ by his instructors.

  11. In a way we have fallin for the “psyop, false flag, backed by real shock and awe-op”
    Discussing the (known, unknown finer points), which is naturally the right thing to do, we play into the “got you on that, therefore all is bumpkin”.
    The onus is on the “authorities”, to verify all these things that are now used against us.
    Hey authority, is not all the calls from all sections of the people worthy of a response.
    Hard to hear, did you say no,.. Thought so.

    • youre right in my opinion Simon. if people fight against themselves all the time, they cant fight against the real enemy..

      to me, it doesnt matter what hit the pentagon, what matters is that there be someone held accountable to the questions that remain.. as is only natural, when there are no answers. maybe it benefits “them” more to have people fighting amongst themselves.

      T.V. says..
      “You are one smart person Fair Dinkum with some well honed critical thinking ability & a B.S detector par excellence .”

      kind of you to say Truth, but .. I come to gumshoe to get a different point of view of things I may not have considered before.. because.. Im fooled as easily as anyone, as I originally believed the official account of P.A.M. for many years…

      anyway..
      lots of so called 9/11 truth sites, support a plane strike, in fact support the official account. Then theres others that say something completely different.
      Ive seen a website with lots of quotes from witnesses that saw a plane… but isnt the best place for witness testimony to be heard in a court room? that way, all testimony and evidence can be scrutinised and argued my experts, until a verdict can be reached beyond all reasonable doubt.

      it is a crime itself, that to this day, there has never even been a proper investigation into the crime that occurred on sept 11 2001.

      since that day, there has been a never ending war of terror against people that were no threat no anyone, killing millions of innocent men women and children, all based on g w bush pointing in OBL direction and saying, “yeah, it was him, man.” to all the MSM .. that in itself was enough to consider 9/11 case closed.

      “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

  12. For those who prefer some audio-visual confirmation, here is air traffic controller Danielle O’Brien reaffirming what I wrote before :

    You need only watch the 4:00 to 7:00 min section for the salient remarks.

    In particular, when O’Brien sees the manoeuvres being made by this plane, she blurts out :

    ‘ It’s a FIGHTER ‘ .

    Case Closed.

    By the way, I just read the comments by Fair Dinkum who said :

    ‘ There were lots of CCTV recordings & ….. they still haven’t shown any evidence that it was a 737 or a 757 ‘ .

    He also asks : ‘ Why wouldn’t they show any evidence ‘ & ‘ my best guess is that they don’t have any ‘ .

    You are one smart person Fair Dinkum with some well honed critical thinking ability & a B.S detector par excellence .

    A rudimentary analysis of the size of the hole on the west wall of the Pentagon will show that it does not jive with the impact of a 737 / 757.

    In fact, the western wall of the Pentagon had recently been reinforced ( hmmm ….. were they anticipating something ? – no other face of the Pentagon had been structurally reinforced ), & the fact is that NO wide bodied commercial aircraft of any description could have punched a hole in the outer ring ( the E-ring ) , let alone through THREE rings ( C, D & E rings ).

    Mind you, a bunker buster missile fired from a super-modified Raytheon owned A-3 Skywarrior could easily have done the trick .

    For those of you who doubt that the fuselage of a 737 / 757 / 767 or …. whatever , is PAPER THIN, you need only watch this :

    In particular, the 40 seconds from 4:40 to 5:20 .

    Bottom Line: A wide bodied commercial aircraft is a COKE CAN with wings.

    It will crumple into nothing upon impact with practically anything .

  13. ‘ It’s a FIGHTER ‘ .

    Case Closed.

    Why not put her comment in context. She saw it turning AWAY from the White House and breathed some relief, she thought it was ONE OF OURS, a fighter coming to help. Crikey, the confirmation bias of some of you people is extraordinary.

    And yes, an aircraft is essentially a coke can with wings. When it goes in vertical (like hitting the side of a brick wall) it shatters into small pieces. (When you double the velocity you square the energy. There is a lot of energy in something moving 500 miles an hour.) Some parts like the engines and landing gear are composed of stronger components and will retain some of their original shape. There are photos of landing gear inside the Pentagon. There is one engine still outside the Pentagon and there is a lot of small pieces of aircraft aluminum ‘coke can’ all over the place.

    If an aircraft goes in vertical it will leave a hole (sometimes not all that deep) where the majority of the aircraft hits. The fuselage is that majority part of the aircraft. Sections of the fuselage will crumple into compact masses. I’ve seen miles of wiring reduced to compacted clumps, the same with hydraulic systems. The wings will completely disintegrate and will leave only the slightest mark on the ground.

    The wings on the 737 left their mark on the brick work of the wall. The difference in the wingspan of the 737 is something like 30 feet (I forget the exact difference) less than the 757. The etching on the wall was consistent with a 737 and less than what a 757 would do (as I remember the 757 wingspan was 141 feet)

    It appears that ALL of the aircraft were remote controlled drones. As such, they were not being limited in their maneuvers with the onboard flight controllers that limit the ‘G’ force that can be performed. Take a look at the aircraft heading for the second tower, that tight turn cannot be made with the onboard flight system. The pilots on the forum confirmed that a 757 could not have made that turn into the Pentagon, however a 737 was capable of doing it.

    Dee can confirm I’m a former military pilot.

  14. Terry, I’ve seen your comments before & don’t recall of any that weren’t on the money.
    You’re a knowledgeable fellow for sure .

    But, respectfully , I have to disagree.

    I’ve spoken to and / or studied the research of more technically proficient individuals than I care to remember & I can tell you for certain that to do an 8000 ft descending corkscrew dive through 270 degrees to be flush with the Pentagon lawn ( in the space of a couple of minutes or so ), would’ve exceeded the G-limits by of a 757 OR a 737 by a large margin.

    ( I’m not quibbling over a few % here and there – I’m talking triple digit percentage discrepancies ) .

    Whilst I accept you premise that remote controlled drones (which these aircraft were ) can override onboard flight controllers that limit G force , the fact is that performing that manouevre at 500 mph ( whether remotely or with human input ) , would have exceeded the G limits by a massive amount ( ie: with G forces of the order of 5 or 6 ) .

    Compare that with the recommended maximum G force limitations for a 737 from Boeing :

    http://www.b737.org.uk/limitations.htm

    ( Scroll down to the section labelled : Flight Manoeuvring Load Acceleration Limits ) .

    Anyway, the bottom line is that Terry has one opinion ( which he can back with his credentials ) & I have a differing one (backed my S.T.E.M credentials & what I believe to be reputable sources).

    That’s not to imply that one (or both) of us is peddling disinformation. We may both have sincere motives & yet we may both be wrong ( or, the more likely scenario , that we are right & wrong to varying degrees ).

    Looks like this has the makings of a good debate.

    So, in the coming weeks & months, I look forward to furnishing more information & we can compare that to Terry’s & the input of the other subscribers to Gumshoe .

    That way, everyone can peruse the available information & decide for themselves.

    P.S. Terry, you were right to pull me up for the unwarranted ‘ Case Closed ‘ remark.

    Of course, like the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax , the science is never settled so the case is never closed. ( Likewise, & here’s me catching you out Terry , we should never say someone is peddling disinformation just because their theory disagrees with ours ).

    Of course, for known disinformation agents like Rachel Madcow ( oops … Maddow ) or Sean Hannity , I will make an exception .

    • As I recall the conversation, the G force limitation takes into consideration the mass of the aircraft. – When there are no passengers or cargo, the mass is significantly reduced and the maximum loading is reduced, therefore the G forces can be increased without structural damage. I don’t know what the maximum sustained Gs would be on an unloaded 737, but 5 Gs doesn’t seem unreasonable.

      Whoever did this caper would have obviously worked out the math before hand.

  15. One last one from me for the evening. Readers may enjoy the following short video featuring experienced pilot Russ Wittenberg ( from Pilots for 9/11 Truth ) :

    The sounds quality is not the best (background noise ) for the first few minutes but stick with it – it gets better.

    For those of you without the time or inclination to watch the lot, I suggest you listen to a few of the more salient sections :

    1) At the 6:30 – 7:00 point, Wittenberg mentions that there was NO WRECKAGE of the alleged 757 / 737 on the Pentagon lawn in the immediate aftermath of the plane strike.

    NONE at all. There are photos to prove this ( I’ll track them down for you all later ) & scores of witnesses stating the same thing.

    Yes, we do see photos later of FBI agents handling pieces of wreckage ( that THEY placed there ) for the publicity shots ( to justify the official bogus narrative ).

    2) At 6:49 , one of Wittemberg’s companions ( another experienced pilot ) says that this flying projectile had just ‘ pulled a 5 G turn ‘ in it’s descent.

    This data set is not disputed by those who have done the calculation ( based on the rate of descent / speed / radius of turn of the descending aircraft ). The plane did pull something of the order of 5G – 6G .

    Anyway, the most important part is the last few minutes ( from 11:50 to the end ).

    This conversation is based on something called ‘ Ground Effect ‘ . For once Wikipedia is telling the truth – you need only read the first paragraph to get the fundamentals of it :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_(aerodynamics)

    Basically, all other things being equal , Ground Effect increases exponentially with closeness to the ground & airspeed.

    Most importantly though, Russ Wittenberg says :

    ‘ Ground effect is a factor of your wingspan. If you have a short wingspan like a jet fighter, you don’t have a lot of ground effect. The bigger the wingspan, the greater the ground effect & the more turbulent air generated ‘ .

    You will find loads of video footage of fighter aircraft travelling at Mach 1 ( or thereabouts ) , 10 or 15 metres above the ground – they can do it.

    Put simply, at the speed this ‘ projectile ‘ was flying ( 500 + mph ) , it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for a 757 ( or a 737 ) to get that close to the ground (flying parallel to the surface below) as was alleged.

    The so-called 757 / 737 impacted with the ground floor of the Pentagon. ie: so it was alleged to have been literally a few feet off the ground.

    This is aerodynamically UNTENABLE for any wide bodied commercial aircraft travelling parallel to the ground at that speed .

    • Yeah, I know all about ‘ground effect’, I considered it my friend to help get a heavy loaded aircraft off the ground. Stay in ground effect until the aircraft was up to speed and flying. It is not some sort of impregnable barrier, if it was then there would be far less crashes of aircraft ‘pancaking’ in. It is just a ‘cushion’ of air that can be flown through.

  16. re 9/11 Tony Gambino-his grandfathers construction company built the twin towers–“when it was built they excavated under it and stored all the gold -only way to get to it was to take the towers down” !!

    from 9 minutes re Twin towers—Tony Gambino was bred/selected to head the crime syndicate–“enslaved” to play a role –its just what you did–I’ve posted this before

    Tony Gambino interview “Vatican runs the Mafia”

    • Mafia are a perfect fit for the drug and trafficking market, Capone I think a forerunner, connected to the Kennedy fortune as an aside.
      Mafia control the cement trade, so all the NYC skyscrapers are poured and secrets held within.
      (tunnels, some bodies like the movies play – concrete does not cure with organic materials, maybe some of the inferior jobs have this problem).
      Enter tower builder Donald Trump and Vegas. No more steel building now they are considered inferior after “that date”. (lol, notice all the steel bridges holding up better than the concrete jobs).
      The Vatican seems to have acquired the Athenian fleet, and at one time boasted a 1000 ship navy before putting that behind a veil like the Marf.

  17. Becca Glasser-Baker’s experience sure does exemplify what most so-called protest is all about.
    Do U.S. troops go into a battle-field all fizzed up and shaking their fists ?
    Or do they curb their personal “whatever” in favour of adhering to some sort of unified, disciplined strategy?
    So far as pinning down the perpetrator’s of 9/11 the opposition must be laughing up their sleeves

  18. Dee , just had a look at your ‘ Three holes – one plane ‘ article from 4 years ago & that is all the proof needed to show that an aircraft ( of any type ), could not have punched a nice fairly symmetrical circular hole through three rings of the Pentagon.

    As per our exchange last night, Terry agreed that the whilst the engines / landing gear / wing structures are fairly robust , the fuselage of a wide bodied commercial aircraft is paper thin & would have been the first thing to crumble upon impact.

    Yet, if the official bogus US government narrative for 9/11 is to be believed , then we must also believe that the nose section of the fuselage maintained its structural integrity to punch a hole through three (3) rings of the Pentagon ( the C, D & E rings ) .

    NOTE : Each rings represents a concentric walled enclosure ( as per the schematic below ) so to penetrate just one ring entails punching through two walls.

    https://pentagon.spacelist.org/

    For an aircraft nose / fuselage section to have punched through even ONE ring would have been preposterous ( let alone 3 rings ) .

    Also, in relation to the drones that did impact with the twin towers , attached below is a photo of a US military E-10 :

    https://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2004/july/i_ids2.html

    Hmmm ….. can you spot the similarity to the underbelly of the aircraft that impacts with the South Tower ?

    ( ALL commercial 767 passenger airliners , without exception , have a FLAT belly fuselage . ie: no tubular appendage as per the E-10 ) .

  19. This whole 911 mass murder scenario has been debated, discussed and argued over for 18 years.
    We can keep prevaricating for another 20 years and we will still be no better off.
    There must be a way to ascertain the truth.
    Enhanced interrogation ( which is not torture, per officialdom in the US) of suspects and those in the know is the only solution.
    I can provide a board, a pillow slip some ties and a watering can.
    I will also donate a usefull length of rope with a noose at one end.
    Tis Simple!!!

  20. I spent a good couple of years down this rabbit-hole and I’m still not sure what happened. I have my own theories based on the evidence I’ve seen and my gut feel regarding same.
    But I DO know that the official story is complete nonsense.
    HOWEVER;
    Whilst I have read and heard endless speculation and hearsay, some of it really interesting and almost convincing as a BODY OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, I have seen not one scrap of unequivocal evidence that 9/11 was a Jewish/Mossad operation.

      • I was washing dishes in our kitchen on 9/11, watching television when the attacks took place and immediately I knew it wasn’t ordinary “terrorists” due to the date 9/11, that some kind of framing and set up (of Jews and Israel) was in the works:

        9/11 is a very significant date in Jewish history, according to my Judaic studies for my conversion in 1998. 9/11 is Tisha B’Av on the Hebrew calendar, the ninth day of the lunar month of Av, a date that has witnessed many disastrous decisions for the Jewish people, for example Solomon’s Temple was destroyed on Tisha B’Av by he Babylonians as well as the Second Temple by the Romans in Jerusalem. Tisha B’Av is the date when the Spanish Inquisition was signed into law in 1492, Kristallnacht was 9/11 in 1938, the fall of the Berlin Wall was 9/11 in 1989 (9/11 or 11/9, depending on which calendar one looks at).

        Why the Jews, why hate the Jews from the beginning of time, from civilization to civilization and even more so since Israel was founded in 1948, I’ve been asking myself since before my conversion and only after having been introduced to Kabbalah in the early 90’s and after coming in contact with The Zohar, The Book of Splendour, The Soul of The Torah (which is not the same as the “Old Testament”), my understanding of the deep hatred of the Jew got clarified as I read the following in Zohar Trumah:

        “The Hebrew letters are the instruments of Creation. They are genetic strands of cosmic DNA. The letters transcend religion, race, geography, and the very concept of language. They are instruments of power. This truth is found within the Hebrew word for “letter,” which means “pulse” or “vibration,” indicating a flow of energy. By virtue of their shapes, sounds, sequences, Hebrew letters radiate a wide range of forces. Their influence is universal, their scope, sweeping. Their power is shared with all mankind, though this penetrating truth has been concealed for millenia. Their sacred energy removes rash and intolerant emotions, fear and anxiety from our beings. Their spiritual influence cleanses destructive impulses from our natures. The Light they emit purifies our hearts. All these spiritual benefits, and more, are now bequeathed to us in this majestic passage discoursing on the Creation of the spiritual and physical cosmos.”

        Zohar Trumah

        J’Accuse…!

        If and when “the Jews” and Israel and/or the Mossad and/or the Shin Bet are implicated in orchestrating 9/11 and/or collecting billions of dollars from insurance companies, etc., please know NOT to apply collective guilt and punishment on us all for if and when any “Jews” and/or people with “Jewish names” were involved in such a heinous crime, they were doing it by their own choice – unless mind controlled assets, etc. – and “the Jewish people” are not to carry their sins and transgressions.

        Never Again!

        • Snap!

          I had perchance just been listening to an audio book reading by Roy Thomas Bauer – up to the second chapter of “Letters and Numbers” by Zachary Hubbard.

          What matters about this numerology and ‘secret knowledge’ is that SOMEONE believes it and is very proactive with it.

          Letters and Numbers by Zachary Hubbard

          Chapter 1

          Chapter 2

          On his channel there are other interesting book readings/playlists.

          Sheds a whole new light on the verse: John 1:1 (KJV): “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

        • Leanna,
          For the decent Jew, then do something, expose those using you.
          I have Jew friends and professional associates.
          I explained the bs of muslims allegedy doing 911 to a PROFFESIONAL friend and colleague and he mereyl replied: ‘WE like the official government version’.
          End of discussion.
          Time for Jews to wake up to the Zionists creating serial victims for their own world fascist agendas….. I suggest.
          Join the human race, you too, Muslims!.

          • Ned, I understand your frustration very well but I can only change myself, not others. To me, World Peace begins within, it is not negotiated by others elsewhere. So far all the negotiating hasn’t worked, as we can all tell.

            The Hebrew name of Jerusalem is Yerushalayim, which translates to a Vision of Peace. This we each can achieve by making peace with ourselves, by forgiving everyone for everything without exception and atoning and repenting for our own transgressions in order to remove their energy, their hold and power over us to See “Yerushalayim,” our own Vision of Peace right where we are to end all fighting. The fight over the city of Jerusalem is part of the “hidden hand’s” agenda of “divide and conquer” to arouse hatred and deeper divisions, forcing people to “take sides.”

            It is not the Zionists or the Jews or the Israelis but there is a far bigger agenda that is using all media to broadcast and to portray Zionism, Jews, Israelis and Israel, the “holy land,” to arouse anti-Semitism and anti-Israel and anti-Judaism sentiment to no end for the reason mentioned in my earlier reply to berry (the universal role of the Hebrew Alephbet http://www.zohar.com).

            How many Jews does each person know in the world outside of Israel? There are approximately 15 million people in the whole world who identify themselves as Jews, maybe 6-7 million of them in Eretz Israel. How big of a threat can they be? How would 15 million people replace 7.3 billion people? Or, replace 350 million Americans (as per the tiki torch ralliers who repeated the “Jews will not replace us” slogan)?

            We all are being fooled and tricked to believe a make believe story of what is, presented by the global corporate media, to narrow our focus so we wouldn’t See or Understand the BIGGER PICTURE but thank God there are alternative sources like Dee and Mary and Gumshoe news.

            If we would not watch or listen to any corporate news from the “left” or the “right,” if we would only focus on our own personal circle of Life and environment, our world would be more peaceful and calm but the plan is to feed us news and tweets, show us campaigns and rallies that keep dividing us and others to “us” and “them” for conquering purposes.

            Eretz Israel, a land where unfortunately thus far God’s Laws are abused, ignored and trampled on as much as in any other country in the world, is simply a pawn or a patsy in this macabre military industrial complex corporatist-fascist NWO plan unfolding globally. Many Jews and Israelis are buying into President Trump being their friend, not the ultimate foe, and buying into the official story of 9/11 for example because then one doesn’t need to think, and because of the history of the Jewish people who have always been persecuted for one reason or another (for over 2000 years as “Christ killers,” well poisoners, being “Shylocks,” Palestinian land stealers and Palestinian oppressors, AND orchestrating 9/11 and other false flag “terrorist” and other such attacks, etc.) and there are as many ignorant, narrow minded and unaware people among the Jewish people as among any other people, not everyone is an “Einstein” (one good example is as I’ve read online that “mega donor” and “casino mogul” Sheldon Adelson publishes a free newspaper in Israel that many people read and believe, and by the way, fyi, The Torah forbids gambling as a harmful, addictive and destructive activity). Additionally, imho, as per your professional friends or acquaintances, Ned, academic education does not necessarily allow people to understand other areas of life better or deeper even if they are experts and professionals in their own particular fields. Also, the global NWO efforts would not have worked as well as they have, were there no “insiders” and “infiltrators” and “impostors” everywhere, in all movements, of all backgrounds and nationalities and religions, etc..

            But were we to remove all labels from all peoples, labels that divide and separate us from others like nationality, religion, race, politics, etc. we would end up with a bunch of people, in simplistic principle a bunch of Adams and Eves in a potential Garden of Eden here on Earth, who are, to put it simply, plain good or plain bad or somewhere in between, and this would hold true everywhere, not only among people who identify as Israelis and/or Jews, yet it is Zionists, Israelis and Jews who get an absolutely disproportionate, thus MOST suspicious, amount of time and attention in the media (15 million vs. 7.3 billion):

            Vindman, Lauer, Oppenheim, Lack, “war on Christmas,” too many Hanukkah books at a private school that “white economic nationalist” Steve Bannon visited, (Jewish-by-religion) Russian “oligarchs” and mobsters vs. American “businessmen,” whistle blower who may not be “patriotic,” Israel spying on the White House and listening in on President Trump’s phone calls, George Soros’ global tentacles as reported by Fox News Lou Dobbs, Woody Allen, Ghislaine Maxwell, fundraiser Stephen Ross, Kushner the slumlord, explosive Epstein files, Lauder, Wexner, “Kushner hijacked U.S. Foreign Policy,” according to Mr. Rex Exxon Mobil Tillerson, Kushner, Inc., “the Jews always flip,” says President Trump, allegedly, in Michael Wolff’s new book, “Siege,” Baruch Hashem, “Al Franken folded like a wet rag” said President Trump of the Senator, Baruch Hashem, Adam “pencil neck” Schiff, or “Sch.tt” like the President said, Engel, Jerry “little fat Jew” Nadler, according to Wolff’s book, Weiner, Rosenstein, Weisselberg, Sekulow, Levine, “Crime Minister” Netanyahu, Vekselberg, Deripaska, Baer, Kraft, AIPAC and all “pro-Israel” and “Amen corner” lobbyists, Moonves, Libby, Cohen, Rivlin, Lieberman, Schwartz, Lauer, Tambor, Franken, Adam Venit, Hoffman, Dreyfuss, Piven, Louis CK, Ratner, Halperin, Weinstein, Mnuchin, Cohn, Singer, Steinmetz, Orszag, Lewinsky, Eisner, Lieberman, (Chandra) Levy, Summers, Rubin, Lauder, Icahn, Blum, Diller, Casino Moguls Adelson and Wynn, Bloomberg, Seinfeld, (Larry) David, Spielberg, Spitzer, Ellison, Hedgefund Millionaires And Billionaires, Avid Life Media & Ashley Madison, Howard Stern, Pollard, Silver, Fogle, Epstein, Yellen, Blankfein, Sterling, Wildstein, Bernanke, Loeb, Cohen, Geffen, Katzenberg, Lerner, Kissinger, Zuckerberg, Rahm Emanuel, (“Orthodox Jew”) Jacob Joseph Lew, Madoff, Bronfman, Cantor, Blankfein, Strauss-Kahn, Geithner, Rothstein, Milner, Miller…

            Die Juden sind unser Unglueck?

            (Another 9/11 or Tisha B’Av incident that I forgot to mention in my response to berry but that has been edged in my mind since 1985 was that Arnold Schwarzenegger announced his candidacy for Governor of California on the Jay Leno Late Night show on Tisha B’Av years ago and when he ‘won,’ CNN – “the most trusted news in the world” announced it in German by saying, “Es Ist Die Wirtschaft,” i.e. it’s all (about) Business, and we are not to forget that a former CA Governor, Ronald Reagan, was the first U.S. President to visit the Nazi cemetery in Bitburg, W. Germany, in 1985, even if not on 9/11, with then Chancellor Helmut Kohl).

            Hanukkah is only a couple of days away, Biblically and historically empires fall due to its metaphysical power (that we must choose to yield).

            Hanukkah is a period and a window of opportunity of eight consecutive days of possible Miracles that we each need to create and make happen, not expect that others do something first or that some elected officials or leaders or an external supernatural power will change things to the better.

            We “R” it, all of us as One and United.

            According to Kabbalah each one of us is God’s co-creator, a Shuttaf in Hebrew, it is up to each one of us to Think, speak and act in a way that brings about and manifests Balance, Harmony and Peace, (y)our Yerushalayim, (y)our Vision of Peace and this is the only way how Shalom, Peace, will manifest in our midst one person at a time in the here and now.

            Never Again!
            .

        • But just remember Lena, you’re talking to a mob that simply cannot comprehend that Israel is no more Jewish than the U.S. is Christian.

          • When you spoke of the “overall dynamic” below, I was curious and could only wonder whether you were referring to the concept of “messianic redemption”, which some fervently believe in, and indeed say is getting very close.

            I wonder where the likes of ‘Pastor’ John Hagee fit …

            [wiki …] “John Charles Hagee (born April 12, 1940) is an American pastor and televangelist. The founder of John Hagee Ministries, his ministry is telecast to the United States and Canada. Hagee is also the founder and chairman of the Christian-Zionist organization Christians United for Israel. Hagee is active politically and is known for his activism on behalf of the State of Israel. He has also attracted controversy over his comments on Catholicism, Jews and Islam, and promotion of the blood moon prophecy.”

            John Hagee DENIES JESUS CAME TO EARTH To Be THE MESSIAH!

          • If you ask me,Ned, let me take the time to hear what Hagee says and Ill comment later. Anyone who promotes division in the name of religion (or politics) is not authentically promoting or seeking Peace.

          • Correction from “yield” to “wield”:

            “Hanukkah is only a couple of days away, Biblically and historically empires fall due to its metaphysical power (that we must choose to wield).”

          • Answer to above Julius question:

            If someone close to you is killed by a hit&run drunkard there’s two ways you can go:
            * spend the rest of your life stewing about it
            * take hold of the fact that death is always closer than you think and live out the remainder of your own days accordingly

            A good portion of the twin-tower angst is based on the notion that “people have the right to feel safe” The irony is that restricting everyone’s movements according couldn’t make anyone more vulnerable to attack

  21. Just in case someone was going to mention Jane Standley, here is the BBC’s very own “defence” of that “ridiculous situation” [see below] – (I mean ‘debunking’ of that ‘conspiracy theory’)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html

    Note the points made by the BBC Editors themselves:

    1. We’re not part of a conspiracy.

    2. In the chaos and confusion of the day, I’m quite sure we said things which turned out to be untrue or inaccurate …

    3 Our reporter Jane Standley was in New York …. she doesn’t remember minute-by-minute what she said or did

    4 We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I’d love to get hold of it.

    5 If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been an error – no more than that.

    ROFL!!

    I am particularly amused by the last one … no more than an “error” indeed – oops – our reporting of the event [collapse of WT7] before it happened was an “error”.

    … Delinquents!!

    So you ask … Whatever happened to … Jane Standley?

    (This is ’interesting’, notably because of the disappearance of links.)

    https://www.nourishingobscurity.com/2011/07/whatever-happened-to-jane-standley/

    Ms Standley: “It’s very unfortunate that this whole conspiracy – kind of – ridiculous situation has grown out of what’s really a very small and very honest mistake.”

    So Ned, you are now a “ridiculous situation theorist”.

  22. For the bored over Chritmas and want a great read, i recommend the following three reports by E P Heidner. (ALIAS?)
    ‘911 commission report revised December 2008 . Collateral”
    ‘911 commisssion report revised December 2008 Collateral 1’
    ‘911 commission report revised December 2008″ (main report, the first 40 pages should be enough)
    Start with the two collateral reports in order above. Usually found at scrbd.
    In short: 911 was a bank heist!!!!! The rest was for opportunitists…… inside trading and insurance frauds mixed with mass murder to give reason to go to the Middle East, grow poppies and hold up the petro dollar by stealing the oil. Additionaly to cover for all the pending prosecution evidence in buildingb7 and cover up the missing trillions being investigate by the ONI bean counters wiped out at their Pentagon office. Not to mention that the securoties and exchange commission closed and transactions laundered like the 240 billionn fraudulent treasury note due that day.
    Tis simple, bring out the board and water ……. will have all the answers in 48 hours. Start with Cheney and then Netandanyhow and Lucky Larry……. the rset will not want to risk a drowning.

    • Yes, the best one is the msm report of a unsinged ‘hijacker’s’ passport found in the street near the towers. ( ref: msm tv report contained in Corbet’s report: “911 a conspiracy theory”)
      Good one! As good as a hijacker’s luggage, missing the connecting flight and found to contain a will, Koran and flight manuals.

  23. I might explain, forgotten the details.
    But here is the bs false flag tail for suckers to follow.
    A couple of hijackers travel to woop woop by vehicle the day before 911 and catch a early flight back to connect with a early flight they are intending to hijack.
    Right. (Well at least they were not relying on Jetstar)
    Their luggage is on the flight back but is not put on their flight they are to hijack.
    Fancy that and the suckered spooks locate the luggage.
    Whalla!.
    ‘We have the evidence’, say the idiots to convince the suckers that they were the hijackers.
    It is stupity to the extreme.
    A few mad muslims travel away to get a connecting light back to wipe out a building or three that they have planned for since Dov Planned it all and rely on a connecting flight to go murder thousands.
    Give me a break you msm,, ABC Faine, Frydenberg etc.
    Consider us idiots, but in due course, you and your msm puppets will be subject to avawakening public. Then what? Just piss off.

  24. Leena Ades , just read your comments from earlier this afternoon & I applaud you for it.

    I can only speak for myself but I’m sure the overwhelming majority of gentiles do not blame all Jews for the actions of a tiny sliver of rabid & immoral Zionists.

    The most prominent & reputable of the 9/11 truth movements is Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth ( ae911Truth ) & there are numerous Jewish people that I’m aware of that have done invaluable service there.

    For example , the actor Ed Asner narrates one of their most popular videos & has had an ongoing association with them.

    Lynn Margulis (once married to Carl Sagan ) & National Medal of Science recipient ( US equivalent of the Nobel Prize ) was a vociferous entity in exposing the truth about 9/11.
    She worked closely with ae911Truth & appears prominently in their most watched videos.

    Her immense prestige in the academic world provided tremendous clout for the 9/11 truth movement. That’s why the cabal ( allegedly ) arranged for her demise soon after her input in videos for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    I have nothing but respect for Lynn Margulis & we all owe her a debt of gratitude.

    I noticed that the Wikipedia entry for Margulis says she was born into a Zionist family so clearly, it is not appropriate to tar all Zionists either with same brush – no doubt the overwhelming majority are as appalled at the deeds perpetrated by the tiny sliver of blood-thirsty rich & powerful cabal affiliated miscreants that are responsible .

    Meanwhile, I’ve been told that the head ae911Truth ( Richard Gage ) is himself of Jewish descent.

    Can any of the Gumshoe readers corroborate that either way ?

    There are not enough hours in the day to itemise the accomplishments of Richard Gage in disseminating the facts about 9/11 .
    To say that he has ‘ Newtonian stature ‘ in the quest for truth would not truly reflect his deeds over the last decade or more.

    A great , great man .

    • Thank you for your kind words, Truth Vigilante, I’m speaking and typing from my heart and soul.

      The Carlyle Group had their annual (?) meeting in Washington D.C. on the morning of 9/11 at some plush hotel, so they knew what was coming. The Carlyle Group is not, to my best knowledge, a Zionist, a Jewish or an Israeli business and organization. Please correct me if this is wrong.

      The link to Robert Sepehr’s long and slow youtube video makes a connection from Switzerland and the Knights Templars, who founded the country, to the Nazis of the Third Reich to the PentagramPentagon and Schwartzwasser, Blackwater and the bear claw (for cantoon Bern, Bear, if I understood it correctly).

      When President Trump visited Israel, he went to the Western Wall, i.e. the Wailing Wall, alone. The media reported that the trip lasted exactly 28 hours and cost the American taxpayer 100 million dollars. 28 is a code number that Kabbalah explains as 28 levels of metaphysical energies that are used to confuse us all and the 100 million dollar price tag is to infuriate the American taxpayer further to Israel’s financial dependence to U.S. tax dollars.

      Kabbalah also explains that the Wailing Wall wails because we, as One Humankind, One Human Race, do not see our Oneness and Sameness but are distracted by divisions and separations and instead of turning toward one another we turn toward, for example, a wall (in this particular instance).

      In the Hebrew Bible which is a cosmic code, not a religious book or document, “West” is a code word for the insatiable human desire to r.e.c.e.i.v.e.f.o.r.t.h.e.s.e.l.f.a.l.o.n.e. and “East” is the tamed human desire so that we r.e.c.e.i.v.e.f.o.r.t.h.e.s.a.k.e.o.f.s.h.a.r.i.n.g.

      According to Kabbalah “Messiah” is a mind set of the latter, achievable to anyone who chooses to share and care, to unconditionally live “love thy neighbor.” Religion hijacked the name, spelled Mem Shin Hei in Hebrew and turned it to Moshe, i.e. Moses to keep us in the realm of limiting organized religion, even if in several ‘denominations.’

      My firm belief is that Madonna was chosen as a red string wearing celebrity student of Kabbalah to turn people away from, to turn people off to the teaching and its chance to fundamentally alter our destiny as One Humankind, One Human Race.

      Kabbalah is a teaching of spiritual laws of the universe that affect everyone at all times. Like the laws of physics are part of everyone’s life, so are the laws of metaphysics, we just haven’t been taught that. Yet.

      “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” – Nikola Tesla

      The ultimate study of non-physical phenomena = Kabbalah.

  25. What strikes me as significant re the whole 9/11 discussion is that virtually the entire focus is on who-done-it, as opposed to coming to grips with the dynamic

      • In my humble opinion the timeless overall dynamic is to rid the world of Jews, Judaism and Israel, or maybe not Israel per se but to maintain the facade of a religious “Holy Land,” like a theme park of sorts. The Christian evangelical movement, not all its members, is ‘using’ the Jewish people, using Israel to get to their goal, which is the so-called second coming of Christ and then everyone else must either convert to Christianity or die.

        After the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue shooting they already had a ‘Jew for Jesus’ rabbi praying in the name of “Jesus the Messiah,” I believe VP Pence was in attendance.

        We all are to believe that the Jewish Torah is the same as the Old Testament and that the next natural step is for everyone to advance to the New Testament. It isn’t. This is by design by those running the NWO show from behind the scenes in every country, in every organization of any importance, including legislative bodies, governments and heads of governments.

        When we start the reading of The Torah at the start of each New Year (Rosh HaShanah), the Stone Edition of The Chumash (= another word for The Torah) begins with these words:

        “We begin the study of the Torah with the realization that the Torah is not a history book, but the charter of Man’s mission in the universe.”

        It is this concept of The Torah being “the charter of Man’s mission in the universe” that is to be buried for good.

        Kabbalah deciphers and explains the meaning of The Torah, the translated texts in themselves are a form of corruption by those in (religious) power to keep all Mankind from realizing the true role of Judaism and its teachings which include Kabbalah.

        Nes Gadol Haya Sham

        A great miracle happened (t)here.

        • This occult kabbalistic numerology stuff is certainly quite fascinating, Leena– not my field of interest, although I am enjoying listening to “Letters and Numbers”. Given time and space constraints I will just share a couple of anecdotes.

          You suggested that you perceive Jews to be under some clear and present threat of extermination. I hardly get that impression from, say the Balfour Declaration:

          **Balfour Declaration **

          Foreign Office

          November 2nd, 1917

          Dear Lord [Lionel Walter] Rothschild

          I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of his Majesty’s government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

          His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

          I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

          Yours

          Arthur James Balfour

          King David Hotel

          In 1946 it appears that things were not moving fast enough ((messianic-wise) , so prophecy needed a little nudge (according to Yechiel Kadishai) with the King David Hotel incident. Maybe you perceive the King David Hotel terrorist attack, along with the USS Liberty and 911 events, to be measures of self defence (?)

          Zionist Bombing In Jerusalem 1946

          (Note how proud and boastful these merchants of terror and death are in talking about the carnage they accomplishment – dancing Israelis comes to mind.)

          The magic 6M

          Last one for those numerology buffs – Christopher Jon Bjerknes (a Jew) explains the etymology of that magic 6M number.

          Warnings to the Jews! Premonitions of the Holocaust

          https://www.bitchute.com/video/wKijL0acw1W9/

  26. Who done it is basic to every crime, particularly mass murder and mass theiving.
    I want those who done it brought to justice and dealt with as with any other crime.
    Anything wrong with that?
    When they are locked up or at the end of ropes, they can discuss the metaphysical all they wish and meat Ivan Milat to take it further.
    So who done it?

    • May I add,
      I suspect obfuscation by referring to religious indoctrinated belief agendas. Right, do not question God’s chosen. (Nonsense)
      Honesty and integrity trump all befief systems Leena.
      Ever heard of the mass murders in June 1967 of over 30 US men on the US LIBERTY by Israeli killers and murderers.
      So let us get to the point.
      Mr Meadows who was a sailor on the ship, I had contact with and he described two hours of murderous Israelis using unmarked mirages, Israeli, torpedo boats and attempts to land troops on the Liberty. Also life rafts were machine gunned by Israelis. Clearly, the object was to sink the Liberty, murder the crew and blame Egypt and sucker the US into a war with Egypt to protect Israel.
      So it was conceded as an event by Israel and compensation of a million was paid.
      Now my point is:
      In a radio interview in about 20I4, Malcolm Fraxer told Jonathon Faine (of our ABC fame) that it was a deliberate unprovoked attack on the Liberty.
      Faine replied, from menory that was just a mistaken missile attack.
      Right, then we have the Jewish News based in Bondi Junction headlining ‘Shame Fraser’. Re the interview.
      Then in January 2014-15 we have the sydney Institute in the SMH summarising the previous year and a item condeming Fraser.
      In addition, i noted in the SMH from someone from the Jewish board of whatever claiming that the murder on the Liberty had been investigated and absolving Israel.
      However, there was no mention that affidavits from the crewman were not permitted to be provided to the inquiry investigating the murders.
      Then there is operation Susannah in the 50’s when sayinin bombed US and UK intetests in Egypt to blame Muslims.
      Within the last ten years the Israeli government gave sayinin a medal… well done.
      So Leena, whilst studying your kanbalist metaphysics, try and include reality.
      Did not Moses suggest, beside other precepts, Do not kill and never give FALSE WITNESS.
      With all tespect, until traitors of decent Jews are exposed over the dinner table, decent Jews suporting evil lies and covering for evil are suspect and not trusted.
      Ditto for our back stabbing controlled politicians……. see the gs video of the last Fraser interview……. we had to move to the boardroom to accomodate the …… (jews)
      I trust that you will thus inform your Rabbi of the bs and wake up.
      To not do so just perpetuates bs and the sentence, following reality exposed to the Goyin.

      • Ned, there is more to everything than meets the eye. To every single event in the past and in the present. There is the physical that we see and hear but there is an invisible metaphysical component to everything as well.

        There are two parallel realities, one of them is called the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, where all that you describe happens, where chaos and suffering rule and the second one is the Tree of Life reality where none of what you describe happens, where there is lasting Peace and where God’s Laws, including Do Not Kill and Do Not Bear False Witness, are followed and respected to the “t.”

        Each one of us can choose between these two realities, both equally real though this is one of the biggest secrets that the world hasn’t been told, organized religion, almost like organized crime, has been placed to be the gatekeeper to the deeper spiritual, i.e. metaphysical aspects of Life (some spiritual movements and leaders fall in .
        to the same category for self enrichment and 15 minute fame).

        Democratic Presidential Candidate Marianne Williamson says on her excellent “God Shall Not Be Mocked” talk on youtube that for one, we tend to think that the Ten Commandments are ancient and outdated but that the reason we tend to think so is only because we do not want to look at them because we ourselves haven’t lived up to even the Ten Commandments.

        Kabbalah teaches that everything that comes from our Creator is very simple, easy to understand even for a layperson and everything that is complicated, complex and difficult to understand comes from God’s adversary (by many names).

        So it is this simple:

        All (!) we each have to do is to picture ourselves as Adam and/or Eve in the Garden of Eden until we bite from the “apple” of the forbidden tree (of knowledge of good and evil) and fall from God’s grace, The way to recover from that fall from God’s grace is to start one’s day every day by saying, “Dear God, I have sinned and transgressed against you” and go to detail of how one has sinned and transgressed to return the bites back to the original apple so to say. It’s the hardest journey there is, if one is honest and transparent according to a “no pain, no gain” method.

        No wonder Apple’s corporate logo is an apple with a bite taken out of it.

        Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is what those in power all over the world maintain through news and other broadcasts and programming (!) to convince us that it is the only reality available, the reality of the logical and rational mind and the physical world.

        The other so-called Upper Worldly reality, God’s reality, is that of mind OVER matter, the Tree of Life reality where brotherly love and sharing and caring rule, where one’s Understanding of the past is elevated to See that everything always happens for a reason, even when not comprehensible in this-worldly terms.

        The Hebrew Bible calls this battle of mind vs. mind over matter Gog vs. Magog, these are code words and the most important battle to eliminate “the enemy” is to take place within one’s own consciousness and mind and then one Sees no more enemies.

        On her God Shall Not Be Mocked video Ms. Williamson explains that the universe is self-correcting and that the universe Records, Knows, Remembers and Understands everything from the Beginning of time and that no one escapes their “karma,” i.e. what’s coming UNLESS there is a serious re-alignment and self-correction, Tikune in Hebrew, to re-connect with immutable and omnipotent Force of Creation (www.zohar.com) above such concepts as nationality, religion, language, race, etc., anything that divides us from our Fellow Man.

        A Messianic Redemption maybe closer than ever before even if we interpret it to be different (religious or other) ideas because there is so much concentrated evil and negativity in the universe created by human (not only “Jewish”) Thought, speech and deed.

        Everyone, Ned, everyone, Jew and Gentile alike, will get their day in God’s Court for it is a Court that cannot be corrupted or bought, where no one really is above The Law, where God, the All-Knowing, All-Remembering and All-Understanding Force of Creation, is The Judge (sadly even the division or differentiation of us to “Jews” and “Gentiles” is a corrupted version of The Hebrew Bible).

        Heinrich Heine, a German poet, writer and literary critic said, “History is the soul’s old wardrobe.”

        Nes Gadol Haya Sham

        Peace on Earth and Goodwill toward everyone.

        .

        .

        • Leena,
          All the above is marvelous and the broad concepts are found in many teachings.
          But it has nothing to do with investigating, prosecuting and punishing criminals.
          What would you have? Child killers, abusers, warmongering, thieving e5c, not dealt with?
          I think Mr Wiesenthal was right ….. track and deal with criminals. If he was correct and justified do so, I think not that you can preach to me.
          I simplY suggest that all who protect criminals and evil are also guilty of the evil committed and have a duty to expose it.
          The Royal Commissi9n into institutional child abuse has made that clear.
          Child abuse persisted because it was not reported by many institutions because criminals thought more of protecting ‘the institution’ then caring about the evil abuse of children. Now what is worse, perversion of children or murder?
          Who is more evil, the protector of a child abuser or those who protect mass murderers, overtly or covertly?
          Look up the NSW Crimes act. The old common law crime of misprison of a felony was incorporated in similar terms by AG John Dowd in the early 1980’s.
          So it is a crime to protect felons, despite all your concentration on mystics.
          You may be surprised with my spiritual beliefs…….. they do get in the way of our justice system and do not excuse ignorance.

          • Now that we have hopefully dusted off all the mystical irrelevancies.
            What do you say Leena?
            Do you have an opinion, based on evidence, of the official 911 conspiracy theory, that it is a fresh apple?
            If not, what the hell are you doing here?

  27. Berry writes

    “If {…] there’s two ways you can go:
    * spend the rest of your life stewing about it
    * take hold of the fact that death is always closer than you think and live out the remainder of your own days accordingly.”

    I am not sure if this was an obtuse answer to my rhetorical Hagee question but I read this as “stop asking questions, just accept the narrative and get over it”. Personally, I find seeking the truth interesting, and revealing it is liberating and brings true inner tranquillity.

    So who ARE these people stewing over the past – why can’t they just get over it and get on with living their lives instead of being war mongering apostles of hate and peddlers of deceit?

    Israel to Demand $250 bln Compensations for Jews Expelled From Arab States”
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201901061071260606-israel-compensations-arab-countries/

    Talk about bidding Six No Trumps when the highest card you are holding is a Ten! If I were a Jew I would not accept that vile hateful and divisive defamation lying down! I would be screaming “Not in MY name” and calling for regime change!! – for the sake of Peace and Tranquillity of course.

    As Leena writes –
    “Anyone who promotes division in the name of religion (or politics) is not authentically promoting or seeking Peace. … NEVER AGAIN!”

    It’s great that we have honest souls like Ron Unz and Gerard Menuhin to read and watch.

    • I fail to see:
      * the relevance of John Hagee to the point raised
      * how getting into a seething frenzy( as witnessed by the above Becca Glasser-Baker) could possibly be passed off as “asking questions”

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