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The Mainstream Media (MSM), Canberra and on again last Monday night on ABC’s QandA – all ignore the elephant in the room. They never dare to question the voluminous evidence, the witnesses, the whistle-blowers, the parents and the thousands of scientific professionals that have the gravity of evidence on their side that goes towards explaining what might have really happened on 9-11.

As a result the MSM perpetuate unquestioningly Washington’s most fantastical and fanciful theory as fact – and thus the whole discussion on QandA or on any Australian news program is not only a sham, it is dishonest.

A deceit on the people of Australia. 

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The actions of the Neocons in Washington divided the world, and for the last 13 years the losers in Australia have been the Muslim community (as they struggle to maintain their dignity) and those soldiers who lost their lives in Afghanistan. We might never know the true details of that day, but if one takes the time to review the evidence, it seems that the mostly Saudi hijackers were most likely patsies to a more dastardly plan. And that the Muslim world (especially Iraq) was the subject of an illegal and criminal plot of pre-planned destruction. A plan that was well under way before September 2001. Ret. General Wesley Clarke (Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000) clearly and unequivocally explains this in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

The situation in Iraq is not, as former PM John Howard described – ’embarrassing’ – it is shameful. It was an egregious, and we were drawn into an evil plot to divide and conquer. Appalling beyond description. We were told by the MSM to focus our vengeance (and hate) on the Muslim world. And the west complied with stunning consequences. Mayhem and now more mayhem with ISIS as the blow back result.

And today, with the propagation of this ‘evidence suppression’ over the facts surrounding the 9-11 attacks and the refusal of our politicians to look at the facts, Canberra has been busy eroding our civil liberties.

Back to the media:

Have they done this out of indifference or sheer disbelief? (As a popular ABC radio personality described it like “debating whether the earth is flat“). Or has presenting an unbiased view of 9-11 been negligence?  Although some programs that pretend to question the evidence get aired, by and large most serious work is not. 

In the best case, these media organisations have been ‘bamboozled’ by the politics of the day to toe the line – to present only Washington’s theory that spawned within a few hours of the towers collapsing.

In the worst case, some of the heads of these organisations have conspired to conceal the evidence to this murderous event. And these Australians should be called to account. There has been suppression of criminal evidence, and in doing so they have helped keep our politicians in the dark too. A pity – as a good honest media story always shines a light on honourable politicians.

 

So, this is what the MSM (and Canberra) tell you what happened on 9-11:

19 hijackers (apparently seven are still alive) hijacked 4 planes and flew 3 of them into buildings. Two towers collapsed because of the two plane impacts and the subsequent fires, and one flew into the Pentagon. The fourth crashed in Pennsylvania. Within hours fingers pointed to Osama Bin Laden (from a cave or hideout in Afghanistan) as the mastermind behind the attack.

That day divided the the world – and precipitated a war against the Muslim world.

 

With exceptional brevity – this is what the MSM and Canberra DO NOT tell you:

1. Building 7

Building 7 was not hit by a plane, but this 47 storey skyscraper (that had no significant fire damage) came down in a perfect demolition-style collapse at 5.20 pm later that same day.

With over 400 cases, no other steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire. The Leaseholder of the WTC stated in a PBS documentary that, “maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse,” (but later retracted the meaning of the statement). There is no logical explanation other than explosives.

 

2. Explosive Evidence and Molten metal

Evidence of explosive material and sophisticated demolition of both towers. Over 2,000 architects and engineers have been investigating this and have put their careers on the line (on architects and engineers for 911 truth).

  • Active thermitic material consisting of ‘nano-engineered iron oxide and aluminium particles’ were found in the dust. Evidence of thermite incendiaries is found by FEMA in steel samples. 
  • Multi-ton steel sections and concrete slabs were ejected laterally hundreds of feet, creating a 1200-foot-diameter debris field surrounding each of the twin Towers – excluding unassisted gravitational collapse. 
  • The destruction of the towers proceeding through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration with rapid onset of destruction.  
  • Over 100 first responders reporting explosions and flashes. Evidence of explosion damage in the basement and foyer, and records of seismic anomalies. 
  • Mid-air pulverizationof 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking, massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds, and no “pancaked” floors found, with isolated explosive ejections 20–40 storeys below demolition front. 
  • Total building destruction and angled dismemberment of steel frame typical of demolition, though this demolition was initiated from point of plane impact. 
  • Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises (weeks later). 
  • The very floors impacted by the plane and the resulting fires, were the very floors that had upgraded fireproofing done in 2000 and 2001.

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Below are just some of the many anomalies. Some of these are also used to deflect from the real evidence – e.g. the molten steel. But they are worth noting.

3. Foreknowledge

Susan Lindauer’s book EXTREME PREJUDICE exposes the real facts surrounding the CIA’s advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq’s contributions. Before 9-11, she was the go between for Iraq and was working on a comprehensive peace framework, which would have accomplished all major U.S. objectives in Baghdad without a single casualty. She writes that her CIA handler, Richard Fuisz, was aware of the hijacking plot and she was warned off going to New York. After 9-11 she tried to get Andrew Card, Chief of Staff, to dissuade the Bush administration from going to war with Iraq, and, was as a result, the first American woman to be charged under the Patriot Act.

4. Trading Spike

There was a spike in trading in ‘put options’ before 9/11.  The Bloomberg News reported that put options on the airlines surged to the phenomenal high of 285 times their average, and these on the two specific airlines that were used by the hijackers, United Airlines and American Airlines. There were surges too, in purchases of put options on stocks of reinsurance companies and WTC tenants.

5. War Games

There were WAR GAMES going on that morning – and Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD that day. So Bush et al lied when they said there was no way they could conceive of such an attack. In a 2004 BBC report, there was a comment made by air traffic control personnel, “is this real world or an exercise?“. The several drills that morning only became publicly known later: OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE – jet fighters sent to Alaska and Canada; BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II (Rudolph Giuliani in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission); OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN – simulating hijacked planes, plus two other exercises.

war games(see: Drills matching exactly what happened in the London 7/7 bombings)

6. Stand-down

On the morning of 9-11 there was an air defense stand-down resulting in no air response for the most fortified building in the world (even though Andrews Air Force Base is 10 miles away). The Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began. Norman Mineta (Secretary of Transport) testified that Vice President Dick Cheney gave orders to “stand-down” on an incoming plane.

7. No Video Released

Although The Pentagon has hundreds of security cameras, no more than a few frames were released. The ‘plane’ penetrated the newly renovated side, taking out the computers and killing many of the budget analysts investigating the missing $2.3 Trillion dollars which Donald Rumsfeld had announced the day before – 10th of September.

8. Witnesses experience explosions

100′s of Firefighter and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS was ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. The 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses.  William Rodriguez and many witnesses experienced explosions in the foyer and the basement, including Barry Jennings in Building 7. Jennings was Deputy Director of the Emergency Services Department for the New York City Housing Authority.

 

9. Bone Fragments

Over 750 bone fragments (most 1/8 inch) were found on top of the 40-storey Deutsche Bank building,  300 feet from the South Tower. 200 fragments from one person were found in the dust. Some 20,000 fragments recovered. The people in the buildings were not crushed. They were turned into dust.

11. Able Danger

Lieutenant-Colonel Anthony Shaffer, a top secret Pentagon project code-named Able Danger had identified Mohammed Atta and three other 9/11 hijackers as members of an al-Qaida cell more than a year before the attacks.  Schaffer’s decision to expose Operation Able Danger has given rise to some difficult questions as U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) protected Atta prior to his deadly attack on the US.

You can start at 2.40

12. Bin Laden not “wanted”

Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks as there was  “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” CIA created, trained and funded “Al Qaeda/Taliban” during the Mujahideen. Bin Laden was a CIA asset named ‘Tim Osman’ and died many years before Obama killed him. The Bin Laden admission video was later proved a fake.

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13.  ‘Dancing ‘ Israelis

5 “Dancing” Israeli’s’ were arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 and later stated on TV “We were there to document the event.”

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 14. Officials ignored

220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. ’9/11 Whistleblowers’, ‘Patriots for 9/11′. ‘Robert Bowman’, ‘Sibel Edmonds’, ‘Albert Stubblebine’, ‘Wesley Clark’, ‘Mark Dayton’, ‘Alan Sabrosky’, ‘Cyntha McKinney’, ‘Jesse Ventura’, ‘Kurt Sonnenfeld’. “patriotsquestion911.com” etc.

15. Tower construction

The towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s).

16.  Preemptive Announcement

BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports.

17. 911 Commission set to fail

The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds – $15 million. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica). There are admissions it was set up to fail.

And much more

19. The PATRIOT ACT was planned before 9/11, and signed into law October 26th, 2001.

  1.  Marvin Bush had been director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11.

And so much more.

As a side note: I believe that within ASIO there must be analytical and intelligent Australian officers that agree with this article – and would out their views if they were not fearful of their positions. 

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I have updated this article.

335 COMMENTS

    • Now, how does Down Under think about Doctor Judy Wood?
      She believes that some Borge, Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica weapon was used to bring those builings down, planted on a rooftop somewhwere, thumbs flying around….

      • Have not fully researched wood’s theory – thus no comment at this attempt to coax me into a trap. But you know what El Kammo. Apologies. I am trashing your many many comments that really amount to nothing. I am putting a ceiling on your ability to clog the environment.

        • You really should take al look at the book of Judy Wood, as well as the statements of formal Gouvernor Jesse Ventura, because why should your opinon outweigh theirs?

          • @Dalia,
            “Have not fully researched wood’s theory ”

            This post is meant for U, so trash it if you want:
            There should be a big meeting between 911 wacko’s because they derive way too much.
            Plains: Yee, Yee, Nee Nee,
            Drones: Yee, Yee, Nee Nee,
            Nukes: Yee, Yee, Nee,
            And so on….
            So, what makes your opinion (the Yee) better than those (the Nee’s) of the others, or even those of the “sheeple”?
            You noticed/marked that jonny knows a bit too much.
            Well, that is because (I think) he actually looks at all the links that go with comments, over the years, either yee or nee.
            I guess that Johnny knows much more about 911 then you do

          • The point is El-kammo through all your many comments.
            I have not been appointed / paid to / advocate for one specific view / spent 10 years researching

            My point is –
            1. please provide one other collapse that is similar to B7. It looks, behaves, imitates a demo job.
            2. If you look at the twin tower collapses in slo mo… you can see debri flying out and up.

            end of story.
            my mind is MADE UP that a transparent INVESTIGATION is required.

            Then you can go and put your concerns to a panel of experts

          • Third attempt!
            Ditto.
            Then we can get past the disinformation firewalls of puerile distraction.
            Why do trolls hamper a proper investigation, what have they to lose?
            Who benefits from the cover up?

          • @Ned.
            “Why do trolls hamper a proper investigation, what have they to lose?”
            I call you Ned and I call Dalia Dalia, while you call me troll, now Ned, come on.
            I just wonder how the conspiracy guys/girls will react on the conclusion of this new investigation because many will be disappointed.
            Nukes? Star Trek weapons? Cutter charges? Termite? Super termite? Nano termite? Plains? No plains? Remote control taken over plains? Missiles? Stuff planted before? Stuff planted at the day?
            So, how do YOU think they did it ned?

          • I guess that people like Johnny can save you the embarrassment of a lost case of law.
            Conceder Johnny as a company that estimates your chances, for FREE!!!.

          • Not so long ago a Dutch technical university (TU Delft) collapsed due to an electrical shortcut in a coffee machine. Now, watch the collapse and notice the “pyroclastic cloud”.
            This is what a coffee machine can do, and I know this university and some of its students.:

  2. There is so much wrong here, with these questions….

    #1 it did not fall perfexctly. It hit several other buildings which had to be demolished.

    #2. The material found, was just paint.

    #3. She is a nobody, who makes up stories.’

    #4. There was no spike in trading, this was just normal trading. This has been investigated many times.

    #5. The trainings were simulating attacks from the russians via Alaska.

    #6. There was no stand down order. There is footage of F15’s flying over new York right after 1 of the buildings had collapsed.

    #7. There are several videos released from around the Pentagon. Nothing showed up of any interest. And why would a Hotel be filming the Pentagon, instead of their entrance?

    #8. Unlike you, I actually read all the transcripts from the first responders. They talk about exploding windows, people, air tanks, floors, tires from cars and trucks. No one mentions explosives.

    #9. Only a few bonefragments were found on top of the Bank, The rest was found during construction of the new buildings in old drainage pipes.

    #10. The Black Boxes from the Pentagon and Shanksvillle were recovered.

    #11. Able Danger was never proven to have existed.

    #12. He was wanted for many things. And the video you say is fake, is actually real. A truther found that out. It had to do with the screen resolution. Besides that, this would also mean all the other persons on the video were fake.

    #13. There were many people to document that event. Everyone with a camera, was there to document the event. And there was no bomb bus.

    #14. What kind of list is that? Jesse ventura? Why would they want to listen to him at all?

    #15. Yes they were. And they withstood the Boeings, even though the people inside had the feeling the building was about to tople over.

    #16. If you had followed the news that day, there were many reports that were incorrect. But it was known to everyone that the building would come down, so in their eagerness to beat the competition, some News anchors reportd that it had already collapsed, or was about to collapse.

    #17.Yes, they were setup to fail, but they didn’t fail in the end. Both Commision leaders have stated this in interviews and in their books.

    #18. have you ever heard of Bushism? He was a total idiot. There is photographic evidince, that shows, he was watching the second hit into the towers.

    #19. No it wasn’t

    #20. And he left in 2000.

      • Nor does ‘up there’
        May we please have disclosed all the security videos of what hit the Pentagon?
        May we be informed of the contents of the 28 pages of the redacted part of the Congressional Commission report as seen by and requested by a couple of Congressmen?
        (Suggestioning SA planned 911)
        Oh, this is so trite: go do your research and keep up to date.
        btw: SA has been set up as detracting patsie. Read Heidner.
        BTW, I also suspect that ‘The Jews have also been set up by their Zionist ‘jew Ashkenazi’ controllers and use patsies to hold the fort.
        Think on that, see the big picture.

        • All the video’s have been disclosed. But since nothing is shown, They are of no interest. They have been disclosed through an FOIA from judicial watch and have been posted on youtube many years ago. …. You really still live in 2007….

        • It took a few years to come out—now just waiting for justice to wake up…

          Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable… Every step toward the goal of justice requires ——- the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals. extract
          Martin Luther King, Jr.

          2007 / 2010 / 2018
          a murder is still murder Johnyboy2222222222222
          doesn’t matter what year

          You say “They are of no interest” – then go off and lose interest in something else. Ha you are VERY INTERESTED.
          JANETGIRL22222

          • If i had the choise between either watch tv, or look at truthers making fools of themselves, I would pick the truthers because this is much more fun. Lol

  3. U believe something is wrong with WTC7 regarding to the NIST hypothesis?
    Interview the guyes from Cantor and Frankel Steel, as NIST did.
    Interview the foreign highrise builders who looked into it on request of Gage.
    Just an option, I know U will never ever do so.

  4. Love it, the trolls are really back, working overtime with matters that have been studied years back. They are bringing out the old disproven red herrings.
    e.g. Number two; Just paint. I was with professor jones and saw a video of his experiment with two electronic probes touching a piece of “paint” and it flashed with an ‘explosive’ flame. We are talking micro parts here.
    Other readers: I could go through the lot of the Johny boy’s lies/misinformation/misconceptions/falsities, but he/she is just a Johny boy come lately whereas the experts have been at it for 10 + years. Look up the latest video from http://ae911truth.org/ by Hooper.
    Can’t resist a comment though on the put options; Hey, they went up in some cases 200-250 times normal in the weeks before 9/11.
    Allright: want to know about 911 and why the trolls are so defensive and who they are protecting? Search the three papers by E.P Heidner: ‘911 Commision report revised december 2008’. Start with the two collateral reports.
    Hey, Johny BOY: 9/11 was a bank heist as well. We Know, because someone saw Bin Laden galloping on a horse down into Wall Street with his stash of gold. (:-
    Perhaps you should go back to Mike Rudin’s BBC, ‘The conspircay theories’ series from about 2008 and see ‘the editors’ site with thousands of debates/comments on 9/11. Hey, it has all been done, look now at the science.

      • “Excellent reference Ned – re: Heidner.
        I am sure Johnyboy, el kamma et al are pro trolls”

        The one thing U can be sure of is that we are not children

        • Poor Ned, wasting time reading something from someone who believes Mini Nukes were used. 🙂 So Ned, I am guessing you don’t believe in Thermite. Since thermite is kinda useless when Mini Nukes are used. Well good luck with that!

        • Still fishing?
          Concentrate your presumptions and ‘guessing’, upon slow horses, which would appear to be more of a rewarding pastime for you, considering your form.

        • Paid troll?
          Maybe, but not likely. They usually select
          Pre University students to run the spin. At times they do demonstrate an
          intellect. Such an intellect, that they are beginning to realise that they are being
          exposed, in their official duties as trolls, in the world context as idiots. That is the problem of the world’s greatest moral democracy…information to the peasants.
          Check out the suicides in the IDF, plus with veterans
          in the US, and people
          I know in Oz, The post service disorders are being
          hidden.
          Thus I think Johnny is a freelance
          ignoramus.
          Real souls have a conscience and they are suffering so much that the burden often kills them at their own hand.
          Sadly, for their families, karma is a ‘bitch’.
          So Johnny, perhaps you might now appreciate your sad predicament: being used? Or just young and unworldly.
          Do not despair many of us have been there. But many are awakened. Hold on to your humour, it gets many of us through and is a balance in an evil world.

        • Maybe i have been on this earth longer than you. And that karma is a bitch is getting old. is that all you got? Its obvious you no nothing about 9/11. Because why would you bother trying to understand the official story, when you can just follow the bloggers who don’t believe in the official story. You falsely assume that they have done all the research for you. When in fact, you are just a sheep, following charlatans who are just doing this for the money. But hey, by all means, keep buying their coffee??????????, DVD’s, hats and cups.

          http://shop.ae911truth.org/

      • I bet you didn’t know that Heidner was an alias for someone who believes that Mini Nukes were used. That must have blown your mind finding that out, didn’t it?

        Guess you have to look for a new hero, who writes story tales.

        • @Jonhnny,
          I bet you didn’t know that Heidner was an alias …”
          No answers from Down under, so you are right are they are still trying to figure it out 🙂

          • Heidner’ three reports are 381, 56 and 53 pHea and took me two weeks to digest.
            When the troll brigade demonstrate that they have read it, then it may be discussed. They have a long way to go. I read Heidner by mid 2009.
            One thing they are terrified of is that people may do the same and realise what 911 was about. By the way, the Nugan Hand reference in the main report is spot on except Heidner did not mention Murray Farquar. Suck on that boys and your supervisors.

      • ‘… Laughing my arse off…’
        Tighten the screw on you belly button so as to keep your brain in place.
        Then laugh all you want.

          • So sorry, but if you are quick, get out to the Marroubra sewage deep sea outlet and recover what is left of what the fish have left.
            Relax, you will retrieve enough to replace what you had.

          • Johnyboy you are obviously looking into a mirror. You are the nutter. And I must say, I have been tracking all your comments that are carefully prescribed to confuse, dilute, befuddle, and distort any simple and plain scientific evidence. You also know a little too much – and bothering a little too hard – which makes me think that you are either suffer from Cognitive Dissonance – or are paid to do this.

        • So knowing too much is already suspicious. ……

          Maybe I just like to know the stuff that I talk about in a discussion.

          You should try that for once.

          It’s like with your reply to Ned. You agree on what hè said about Heidner. What you didnt know was that heidner is an alias for someone who believes in Mini Nukes. So you agree with someone who believes that nukes are used and at the same time someone who believes thermite is used.

          The truth movement is full of conflicting stands like that, but that doesnt bother you, as long as it isnt the official story.

        • Just curious as to why you wont make my comment shown, where I show another research done, that disproves the paint chip, is thermite, story. To confronting for your readers, to show the other side?

          • And the minute molten spherical iron spheres in the dust with the thermate residue are actually bowling balls.

        • Nah. Its the same as with the presentations from AE911. Only nutbars pay cash to go to one of their presentations. So Gage is preaching for the choir. But he doesn’t mind. he gets paid to fly all over the world to present his bunk. I just come here to show, that most people don’t believe the shit he is shoveling. And I thought you would be glad that there was finally some discussion going on, on your blog. Its not like many people commented here, which only proves, that the truth movement is kinda dead.

          • ‘………kinda dead……’
            So your life is so boring you spend time on the ‘kinda dead’!
            Seems that PM Cameron has a different view .

        • What a load on stupid nonsense from johny.
          “Only nutbars pay cash to go to one of their presentations. So Gage is preaching for the choir.” he says.

          Nutbars – 51% of people are potential nutbars: PLEASE!

          The third major Zogby poll regarding 9/11 was conducted in August 2007. randomly selected adults from across the United States, consisting of 71 questions, with a 3.1 percent margin of error. The results of the 2007 August poll indicate that 51 percent of Americans want the United States Congress to probe President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks

          • You do know that it’s 2014 right? And not 2007. 2007 was the height of the truth movement due to the movie, Loose Change.

          • Johny
            Have a look at the video bill board advertisement put up by aetruth in Times Square in NY,
            By the way, it is October 2014 if you missed it……… 13 years and still going.
            As is the Weisenthall centre.

          • So having a bill board proves what exactly? That people are stupid enough to pay Gage 35000 dollar to spend on a bill board instead of some research?

        • A bill board is a great meeting place. Do you want to meet and have a coffee there Johnyman – so we can watch it flick over…. and see the collapse a couple of times and chew over the evidence a little. You’d love to chew on my high heels for a few minutes i’m sure. (but anyway i won’t be there – don’t have dates with idiots) – you can find my shoes at table 7

        • at least build yourself a house of cards johnyman… i can’t imagine what a drab life you must have – having to entertain your yourself with truthers. We are serious people. at least you admit you just on this forum to entertain yourself and not entertain some serious dialogue or research. My suggestion: rather become a couch potato and watch some tv… you’re a complete loser if you are here just answering random comments and trying to infect science. get a life outside your job johnyman

          • Sorry. But if you believe anything Gage is shoveling your way, You are not serious about what happened on 9/11. So get off your high horse and admit that you never looked at any official report, so you dont know shit about what you are actually rallying against. Instead you rely on others to do the research for you. And then you truthers have the balls to call anyone who believes in the official story, sheeple. … the story that you didnt bother to read and understand. Because why would you spend time trying to understand the official story when you can instead watch a video from someone else who read 3 lines from the reports and makes up the rest.

            So go back to that cave you crawled out off, and let the grown ups at peace. And don’t come back untill you read the reports.

        • Sorry – your assumption is that i haven’t read the report. I have read the reports. And you are the one talking about gage. I made up my own mind johnyman. Dont be so insulting before you know my facts.

    • BEAUT—thanks for pointing out this vid Kammo. It demonstrates so beautifully the perfect DEMOLITION…. the penthouse structure collapses as the core columns are removed…. then it pancakes. Yes excellent demonstration. Irrelevant actually what time it took. It is free falling for a time ..so thanks for pointing this out… well done.

      • Janet,
        You’re welcome.
        I just say that we should all agree on the time of the collapse, which is about 18 sec.
        Should one claim that it was brought down in 18 sec., well, that’s all right with me.
        There is no need to lie about the time.
        By the way: the eastern penthouse (build later on in 1989 was supported by columns 76, 77, 79 and 80, which are not core columns.

      • From Dalia, the boss:
        “Janet ignore this. CLASSIC DISINFO.
        tHE building still could not have collapsed from one failed column”
        Now, Dalia, I am not sure on which part to react, the ban to Janet to react, or your so called knowledge about building in either yes or no sections.

        • Dalia says “tHE building still could not have collapsed from one failed column”
          I am a higrise builder with over 40 years of experiance, so explain your statement about progressive collapse not being possible then and now.
          Please note that this has nothing to do with 911, your question about engineering is a solid question.

          • Please provide ONE OTHER steel structure collapse that is remotely similar to BLD. 7 (that was not hit by a plane). Where office fires = total collapse (that looks like a demolition). Apparently there have been 400 skyscraper fires (some 24 hr infernos). So take 200 of the worst cases. So HIGHRISE BUILDER to come up to an average – you would have to cite 199 similar collapses (to B7)- to match an equal chance.
            PLEASE! Will be waiting for the comments.

          • @Dalia,
            “PLEASE! Will be waiting for the comments.”

            I know the big question “never before in history did a steel framed building collapse due to fire alone” and I understand this question.
            But we noticed something else, even way before NIST came out.
            We noticed that all 3 buildings were tube structures, where as 7 was a tube and the twins were tube-in-tube.
            Please note that the design of the twins was marked as revolutionary at the time, and therefore cannot be compared with traditional designed structures.
            Tubes allow for huge empty spaces within the buildings which is pretty neat for the users.
            We noticed that 3 tubes fell that day and we concluded that fire could be the Achilles heel of those(big) tubes. The key connections were not designed to withstand major internal horizontal forces (f.e. a column that wants to buckle creates lots of horizontal forces), so better connections are needed, preferably moment proof connections at pointed places. I e-mailed about this matter with Ron Brookman, Sr, structural engineer, member of A&E at the time, and Ron agreed that the key connections were to be considered as “simple” connections.
            So, that left us with the tube structures, that we build as well, and according to us, needed some fine tuning, which is not so hard to do.
            May I state that should there be water and effort, that building 7 would probably still be standing.
            Sincerely, El-Kammo

          • El-Kammo are you really a highrise builder?

            https://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/site1099c.jpg

            http://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/framed-tube.jpg

            Then other buildings that burnt for a day
            http://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/slide0008_image013.jpg

            Millimeter thick plane skin through pillars like this ????
            http://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/esb3.jpg

            through pillars similar to this (this from the empire state bld)
            http://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/empire-state-building.jpg

            By the way – what about Barry Jennings…

        • Yes, he is an actual high rise engineer.

          And you should look up Kinetic Energy, because its all about the mass and speed, to demolish stuff. And the outside of the building was made of small sections of columns, connected via a plate. And those were bolted together.

        • Building 7 didnt pancake. It collapsed. And you want to compare apples to oranges. These buildings were unique in their design and construction with large open floors. It had only core columns and perimter columns.

        • Oh come on johnyboy…… You are stretching the rubber band. Please cite me one other b7 example of similar nature. You can’t. Again. Cite ONE other similar example. Again to give your theory reasonable odds there should be at least 10 -20 examples.
          Pancake or collapse…all the same. It looks like a demo job.
          I’ll start citing the 1000’s of demo jobs that look exactly like b7. Again cite One just one other steel frame skyscraper that had a few fires and went CRUMMMMP.

          B7 had been additionally reinforced.

          The more you go on… The more like pros you sound. Are you working from a handbook?
          Discussing logic with you two is like trying to shoo the flies from a pile of dung….

        • Lol 😀

          You really have no clue about engineering do you. If the structure is like nothing else ever built or constructed, its impossible to compare it to anything else, because there is nothing to compare it to.

          Its not my fault, that you don’t understand this simple concept.

          • @Dalia,
            “B7(70 columns?)”
            Why ask? look it up, there were only 18 core columns, and may I add that the core was NOT a core as known in the tree/branche principle, meaning that this core was NOT stable.

  8. Ok, we have run this out Johnny boy and your mate, now see your role in the big picture with the article up a bit on Austyranny and my hurried synopsis of the NWO,
    I give you a mention.
    Now you know your purpose in life and your future and if you have any descendants, how you are condemning them into fascist servitude.
    Happy?

  9. Now what’s odd about aluminum penetrating steel at high speed?
    Take a carpenter who needs to hit a nail into a steel column.
    He can hit it with a hammer all he wants, it just won’t work.
    Hang on, says his mate, try this, a nail tool working with gunpowder.
    BOEM, the nail is in.

  10. Dalia mae:
    “El-Kammo are you really a highrise builder?”
    Ask the same question to Ron Brookman, member of A$E, because he confirmed our troubles with the connections.
    But oh, you won’t, because he is from A$E

  12. @Dalia,
    “B7 had been additionally reinforced. ”

    Was it really reinforced and if so, why?
    Was it not good enough? Was it dangerous to work in?
    So why and when was it reinforced at your opinion?

      • Quote:
        “Why would one reinforce a building that allready(according to you) was 5 times stronger than needed?”

        I guess Dalia thinks that rental space in New-York is comparable to rental space in the outback of Australia.

        But I’m sure that she’ll miss out on the point.

        So, maybe I should let her do the thinking.

        Dalia, what do you think will be the result of reinforcing a building 5 times stronger than needed.

        Will it give you more or less rentable space ?

    • She could refer to the alterations made by request of the salomon brothers, $ 200.000.000 during the building process, a building within a building.
      But either way, the drawings from Cantor and frankel Steel, obtained by a FOIA, on request of A$E, give us the drawings “as build”.

  13. @Dalia,
    “Maybe you don’t realise their are time zones – and people sleep at different times to where you might be”

    As noted, I think about 10 hours.
    My apologies for that .

  15. Trying again second onthis post!
    The professional trolls commenting here have a purpose and that is to frustrate and obfuscate a proper investigation and detection of the mass murderers on 911 and their aiders and abettors.
    It is recommended that all read Heidner’s three reports at Scribd. There are 53, 56and 381 pages to digest.
    H has credibility in that he refers. To the CIA laundry, the bank; Nugan Hand, well known in Australia as such from the late 1970’s. But he misses Murray Farquhar!!!!
    Troll boys; get your supervisors to suck on that and explain why they do not want a proper investigation, after what should they or you care about truth being exposed?

    • Yes—these guys have exposed their intent by their slow and deliberate “drawing in” modus operandi – then masterfully diffusing of issues with multiple comments. I am still waiting for a single similar collapse to B7. (200 – 400 skyscraper fires vs 1).

      Yep – what’s the problem testing all the arguments in a qualified investigative transparent forum. That is all that is being requested. Full stop.

      As I said. Try shooing flies away from dung – You swish your hand and they buzz back.

      (By the way Ned – I have ‘trashed’ 10 – 20 of El Kammo’s comments that just say ‘nothing’ – and left those where he actually says something)

      • You can wait on that till hell freezes over for all I care. How many times do we have to explain, that it was built in a unique way, so its impossible to compare.

        Its like asking a soccer player, to score the same goal over and over again. Its impossible.

        • “How many times do we have to explain, that it was built in a unique way, so its impossible to compare”

          WHAT BUNKUM – the strength of construction was “five times stronger than it needed to be, yet collapsed at free-fall acceleration on 9/11.”
          It housed the CIA. Lets say it was just stronger than normal or equal to any skyscraper.
          Johnyboy—your script from your issued workbook hasn’t included similar collapses because THERE ARE NONE

          WHY ARE YOU SO TERRIFIED OF an open investigation?
          (your “you can wait on that till hell freezes over” – does that apply to an investigation?)
          This is the last txt I am wasting my time on you. Until you cite the one example.

          • Lol there was an open investigation regarding the NIST reports.

            They released a bèta report to the public for review.

            But by all means start your own investigation, or at least Let us know who should do the investigation.

            And how old are you anyway?

            Boohoo, they wont answer my question (which we already did, but you are not happy with the answer), so i am going to ignore you.

            You are really not used to a discussion are you?

        • @Dalia,
          “the strength of construction was “five times stronger than it needed to be”
          Why? too much money to spend?
          Are You referring to Tony Szamboty, who has build nothing?
          Are you referring to the dead load?
          Do you know that increasing the lenght of a column (open space within the building) with factor 2 the force for buckling increases with factor 9?
          Do you know anything about engineering?

          Do you know that a girder that misses support all of a sudden, gets 2 times as long and therefore needs stiffenes 8 times higher?
          Do you know anything about engineering?

          How about the connections, were they also disingned 5 times as needed?
          Do you know anything about engineering?

          • Had missed that part about the 5 times stronger. Its normal to build in a safety, but 5 times? In our line of work, we use a safety factor of 1,5. And thats for big equipment with dynamic loads. Not sure how high it is in building construction though, but 5 times seems way to much. Means everything has to be built stronger, which means heavier, which means more material, which means more money.

      • Yes. All this covered at the BBC with Rudin’s crap, these boys were just staring senior school at the time. They are probably being tested with an apprenticeship and will be failed by their ignorance. Supervisors are not stupid, the twin trolls are merely on an exercise.
        In due course they will be able to explain the 5 dancing Israleis and the Urban moving system role. Vans pulled up with exosives.
        For all others following this just search.
        Corbett’s five minute skit: ‘911 an conspiracy theory’. Then get serious and go to http://www.ae911trurh.org/ and http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
        These fellows are probably secret 911 truthers making idiots of the dim witted official 911 conspiracy nutters.
        Doing a great job chaps. Truth is grateful.

    • Third attempt at reply, the screen just goes blank.
      So in short. Our troll boys have no seen past the first layer of the onion. Their purpose is to have everyone’s attention directed there. That firewall was passed at Least to a public extent by 2008 when master troll, the BBC with Mike Ridin did the Conspiracy files program and commentators destroyed Ruden with thousands of ents at the BBC The editors’ site.
      The bankers are at the centre of the onion with the CIA traitors. The bankers are protected by The Musls did it, the buildings just collapsed, the Saudia did it, then it will be The Jeqs did it’ when all along the bankers are laughing at the walls at each stage and using created barriers relying upon public perceptions and defensive stances. Just brilliant!

      • Sorry about typos, but had to log in before screen went blank again. Have noticed over the last 6 years, that mentioning Heidner and bankers brings funny happenings. Even the trolls get their knickers in a not with distractions!

        • @Ned,
          “Sorry about typos,”

          Whilst you worry about typing, I need to worry about making real English sentences, made up with words, and actually put them together to make a story/statement/argument because English is not my language.
          So Ned, Don’t worry about your typing , you do it a lot better than me 🙂

  17. But for arguements sake, lets assume that it was an inside job. Could you two(Dalia and Ned) explain to us what happened that day according to you.

    Sp who did it, how dod they do it, and why did they do it.

    • Give up with the distractions. Any coppers coming across three corpses in the one room will investgate the circumstances first before the why and who and how. As they investigate the answers follow.
      You have a problem with a proper investigation?
      For theories, look up the theorists such as Alan Sabrosky, Boyle etc. I will wait for the investigation.

        • Not my job tp prove anyhting, you prove that “the Muslim’s did it.
          I ask the questions and want answers, as you would if the investigators stuffed up an investigation of a crime aginst you or one of your family.
          As for KSM allegedly confessing to planning 9/11 from A to Z and not yet brought to trial. (sorry Bin Laden has been usurped!)
          So how did they get KSM to confess? Try water torture 83 times in one month………….( so sorry , ‘enhanced interrogation’) the torturers destroyed the video recordings.
          Now as torture is accepted practice of the US government and by others, let’s think of some US candidates who should know what happened, to be so dealt with:
          Who would you pick from the then US administration, first up for a thirty minute bath by Ventura?

          • Ned says:
            “Not my job t prove anyhting, you prove that “the Muslim’s did it.
            Yes Ned, it is your job, so you are a coward.
            A case can be reopened by facts not known at the time ore by proving that important facts were actually false at the time. So the burden of proof lies on you, or the exposal of new information that can be of importance for the case, in which you cannot point your finger at the “old” investigators..
            One cannot go to a court of law without needing to prove anything, unless U are the one that’s accused.
            You are accusing persons or groups of mass murder.
            You surly need to come up with the evidence, you surely need to point out those persons.

          • Boring as, I do not have to prove anything about who or how or why.
            iI is accepatable to prove that the official tin foil nutters conspiracy theory is BS and accept scientific evidence and consider much circumstantial material .Therefore there needs to be a proper investigation.
            As for being an alleged coward, well sunshine I do not think you know me. If I were so I would not be raising this matter for over ten years with my own time and cost, putting up with years of vilification from the likes of you.
            I suspect that those who do not want a proper investigation or who deliberately attempt to stifle a proper examination or the need to have one are questionable.
            Read Griffin’s 2005 book; ‘911 Commisional inwuiry; distortions and omissions’. (or of similar title). It is trite that; if an investigation is BS, then someone is covering………….If you were on a jury, would you give credit to a demonstrateded liar? Look up the 6 out of ten Commisioners who do not even accept their own official report.
            Who are you atempting to defend and why?

          • @Ned,
            “Who are you atempting to defend and why?”

            It is not who but what, and the what is building 7.
            We compared the drawings “as build” to the NIST hypothesis, and concluded that it was the most likely.
            That’s all there is to it

          • “We”?
            So you are defending ‘what’ not who and why
            ‘and that is all there is to it’!
            Well us ‘we’ have questions and want them answered . ‘we’ are not curtailed by your lot……………..or Mr Sunder and Co with his tight ‘salsa ja’r ( ?) comparison.
            An that is all that there is to it…………………New investiagtion with puiblication of ‘your’ NIST modelling for their theory of thermal expansion at column 79 bringing down the whole building, commencing at freefall speed for at least 2.5 seconds.
            So why are you defending ‘what’?
            For what purpose, concerned with the who and why perhaps?
            Anyway. as I mentioned elsewhere, thanks for the encouragement to bring in POIs for some puzzling questions. It will be pased on.

  18. Here is an open question to Ned and Dalia.

    Could you show me a building that was designed and constructed exactly the same as building 7, which burned for 7 hours and is still standing?

        • Your answer – building 7 was a unique and weak design? Perfect for all the high end clients like the cia. Rubbish J. And you know it.
          You are unable to provide one building. And I could cite a 100 different and unique that did not collapse in the time it takes to count your toes.
          Yes J as you can see I leave comments saying something up…. But have started trashing the trash

      • @Dalia,
        “Okay – I am so close to deleting ever stupid roundabout comment these two make.”

        Same goes for new investigators that cannot find death-rais, nukes, explosives and/or thermite.
        Trash it, make over new money to gage and demand a new new investigation that meets your weird theses

  19. El-Kammo and Johnyboy are illogical – well rehearsed – right out from the handbook. I’m over answering your nonsense – as you haven’t yet given one other ‘similar’ event to B7.
    End of the discussion here time wasters

    • @Dalia,
      ”
      El-Kammo says:

      October 8, 2014 at 4:20 am

      @Dalia,
      “the strength of construction was “five times stronger than it needed to be”
      Why? too much money to spend?
      Are You referring to Tony Szamboty, who has build nothing?
      Are you referring to the dead load?
      Do you know that increasing the lenght of a column (open space within the building) with factor 2 the force for buckling increases with factor 9?
      Do you know anything about engineering?

      Do you know that a girder that misses support all of a sudden, gets 2 times as long and therefore needs stiffenes 8 times higher?
      Do you know anything about engineering?

      How about the connections, were they also disingned 5 times as needed?
      Do you know anything about engineering?

    • @Dalia,
      “El-Kammo and Johnyboy are illogical – well rehearsed”
      For “well rehearsed” read “better informed”

      So ned is allowed to plunge 13 posts in arow but does not encouter your finger to the trashcan?

      As Johnny noted, you are not used to discussions.

    • Dalia,

      Have you “even” looked at the collapse of the University of Delft in the Netherlands.

      If you would have missed out on that one, here it is again :

      You’ll probably tell me that not the entire building has collapsed in this case but that’s just because you don’t understand one thing about how buildings are constructed and I think it would be a waste of time trying to explain it to you people.

      Nevertheless, this collapse shows very clearly that buildings CAN collapse due to office fires (even if it’s only a partial collapse… Part of the structure went down !)

      So, if you want me to believe you, you’ll have to come up with a good explanation why some buildings CAN collapse PARTIALLY. You may also want to explain to me why the tower in Madrid collapsed partially.

      What’s the difference between a building that collapses entirely and a building that collapses partially due to office fires.

      It should be clear that both examples show that a fire can weaken the structure of a building.

      Can you at least agree on that ?

  20. Again, this is a third attempt before the screen goes blank.
    F……. Off arseholes, you s for b”s pussies.
    D, they are scared #hitless. Ignore them.
    (:-, truth is winning.

  21. On second go this time.
    As for the Moseau hearing note tha the FBI said alleged calls from Mrs Olsen to Mr O did not connect. So for the box cutter reports. Got to go all may be blank again

  26. It’s funny to see you two unravel like this. If I were you, I would seek pshychiatric help. But thats just my opninion.

    • On past information your opinion is shallow and not worth chicken poop.
      Lighten up son. What has passed merely repeats. Your doctor will explain, going back to Plato.and past activities of international criminals. And the USS Liberty. Ever heard of Hitler’s false flag murders, Israell’s with the Lavion affair, NATO’s operation gladio and US Northwoods, the gulf of Tonkin lies, the lies of ‘curve ball’ with alleged Iraq bio labs.
      Long way to go son before you can suggest that we see a doctor.

  30. Sorry, cannot mention word thT attracted a blank page. But this is what happened to Muslim sites for two weeks befor 911.
    For more see the index at whatreallyhappened.com/
    This is serious stuff and a sign of trouble if they are this desperate.
    EBOLA false flag!!!!

  31. Sorry Johnny, should have explained:
    ‘Plato’ was Bin laden’s dog as you would believe.
    KSM is actually ‘Plato’. See the KSM to tire admission after 83 times in one month. One day after ten years he might get a hearing and explain to the military hearing how he admitted to planning 911 from A to Z and the words of his prayers to God to suspend the laws of physics and have No 7 collapse on its own footstep and how he managwd to get God to convince Dick VP to stand down on the defence of the Pentagon, as attested to by Mr Mineta.
    Long way to go son before you have a reasonable explanation for you doctor to explain your official 911 paychosis.
    Have you looked up Sabrosky and Bollyn yet?

  32. Now Johnny about a good doctor for you.
    If you are in the US and are up with your insurance; Obama care is for you.
    If you want to avoid being declared unbalanced may I suggest a bit of BS. Tell them you think the official 911 story Is fiction. Yeah I know a bit dangerous, but let us help. Cite Lt Col Bob Boman who thinks 911 story is hogwash. Tell them that Bob did 101 missions over Vietnam, was a homeland interceptor pilot, thinks the USAF was stood down on 911, as normally an intercept takes about ten minutes. Bob also told me that in July 01 the protocol was varied by. Uncle Dick so that approval for intercepts was then to be approved by Dick and co and not the military, as normal, until it was changed back after 911 as it was before. See bob at patriotsquestion911.com and suggest that he see a doctor. Bit hard, he died last year and he was a dr, anyway, of nuclear physics and ran the Star Wars program for a period.
    Oh, if only he could now tell our doctor a thing or two?
    Johnny, you have years to catch up. May I opine; you never will, you do not have the capacity. Further , you demonstrate a purpose to obfuscate and perhaps, through ignorance, to deceive.
    Your words are a waste of taps.

    • Ow wow.

      So he worked on the star wars program. Doesnt mean hè was mentaly stable after hè retired…

      And im not from the us.

      And for some reason you still keep answering this waste of time.

      And the response time isnt 10 minutes. Specially if they have to Carry weapons because those are stored in a bunker.

      Besides that, 10 minutes was still to late for the first 2 planes.

  33. This is interesting btw.

    You post that Lindauer knew about the attacks by planes that brought down the buildings, because she had the intelligence about it.

    There were also warnings, but if it was an inside job, who did the warning, and how could they warn the US, if it was an inside job?

    If it was an inside job, what kind of intelligence did she have? She sais she had intellingence, about a foreign attack, not an inside job. So who blew up the freaking buildings? Don’t you think the FBI wants to know who blew up buildings, if it was a foreign attack, like Lindauer says she had intelligence on?

    You two(Ned and Dalia) are funny that way. You believe some guy(Heidner/Prager), who believes nukes were used, you also come up with some other guy(Gage), who believes thermate was used, and to top it off, you come up with Lindauer who believes the US let it happen. So which theory is it?

  35. In point 1, you mention Silverstein. He says that “And THEY made that decision to pull ” So who is THEY? Could it be the firedepartment he said he was talking to? So the firedepartment has authority to blow up a building? Since when is that?

  36. In point 2, you mention molten metal, but did you know that Aluminum is also a metal, and Aluminum(7075) used to build planes starts to melt at around 470 degrees celcius? Did you know all that?

    • No Johnny, she did not know that ,and does not wish to be bothered with egineering issues and the response of materials to heat, other than those of A$E, to whome she donates half of her money (the other half goes to Ned)

  37. Dick Cheney was not in control of NORAD on 9/11. Mike Ruppert, who made up that story, was lying, or he did not understand what he was told/

  42. Why are you three so determined? You three obviously do not want an investigation. I don’t get paid to answer you and re-dig up all the mountains of evidence. The post is saying that there should be an investigation. Let a jury/panel/experts come up with some conclusions. But you three are so fearful and determined for that not to happen. Why?

    • Please note which part(s) of the perevious investigation(s) is/are wrong. Then tell me what YOU think happened that day, and may I add that that one thinks is not enough.
      Then tell me how you will react should your new investigators not find aligators.

      • You have not (yet) noted that you called/wrote/e-mailed to NIST about your disagreements, mostly engineering, about their hypostasis.
        Instead you attend too shovel your poor opinion, based on nothing, no knowledge what so ever about structural engineering, into the brains of 5-11 year old kids, and that’s what makes me furious.
        Discus with adults if you dare, and you should dare, you must dare, because you are a public person.

    • They are going over old material dealt with years ago and trying to confuse persons who may be reading about 911 for the first time, in view of your site comming into vogue.
      E.g. the comment about the jets over NY. yea right, after an hour or so of ‘hijacked’ planes meandering around the US. They do not mention the military exercises or the destruction of the flight control records and on and on. We have been there, the whole 911 official conspiracy theory is tin foil nutter stuff.
      I mentioned Bollyn and Sabrosky but they come up with irelevant holocaust denial debates that are irrelevant. It is a common trick by some types to use it when anything comes up questioning Israel. Just search; ‘Anti-semiticism and holocaust denial, it is a trick we always use exposed by Israel cabinet minister’.
      Some people are desperate to close down any proper investigation into 911 for fera as to what it may turn up.
      These three are proof of that, otherwise they would not be pursuing their idiocy.
      When six of the 911 Congressional commissioners question their own report , then it is time to examine those questions.
      Remember my comment about the firewalls, these fellows are pouring water on a firewall that was destroyed years ago. Either that or they are dumb as………
      For new readers: look up http://ae911truth.org and Allan Sabrosky plus ‘E.P. Heidner: 911 Commision report revised December 2008’. For a quick appraisal of Heidner’s area search: ‘Gold Black Eagle trust fund’.
      911 is a master coverup of CIA activity since WW11, cover up of bank laundering, cover up of finace for black operations, a bank heist, a cover up of the 240 billlion of tresaury notes , due on 911 used to bring down the Soviet empire, and insurance job by opportunists and a basis of the NEOCONS ‘New Pearl Harbour’ event to justify going and killing for the US empire which benefits…………who? (See the plan for ‘The New American Century’ template)
      Think: “What happened on 911”? Yea right 19 arabs were let in through Saudi Arabia by the CIA, they ‘hijacked planes’, and no pictures of them getting on (the pictures presented are when they were getting a connecting flight on the morning of) Opeeration Able Danger was sabotaged, Three building brought down by two palnes, Pentagon records and satff destroyed and murdered,etc. etc.
      Seriously; what really happened?
      THE SECURIties AND EXCHANGE lot were closed and undocumented financial transactions laundered through at the time, such as the 240 billion in treasury notes, the money ended up in the subptime mortgages which were bundled up as securities with various ratings by S and P, then fligge off around the worl, including to Aussie Councisl, Churches, Hospitals and Caharities via Grange for Lehman Brothers. Look up the successful Supreme Court hearing on the suits against S and P.
      Hey boys, you are out of your depth, go tell your supervisors to go suck on a lemon.
      Now we have a hundred year war, as per some General, in the Middle East to scare and incresea hate so that poor public will go to Mummy and Daddy government to protect them …………by control.
      Bad luck boys, you’re sprung, go away and be on time for your lectures, the world is awakening to the world you want to endorse and the criminals you are , unwittingly to be kind, protecting.
      Don’t waste our time.

        • “Don’t waste our time”???
          Are U stupid? U are on the internet dude.
          Dalia Mae puts her shit on the internet dude.
          So U think you can chat amongst eachother, like a teaparty, accusing people and groups of mass murder?
          Accusing me of being an agent?, are you really that nuts?
          make a FB group and have a nice chat over there, this is the internet Dude, this is the World taking notice of U

        • “Thanks Ned—these guys are pros when it comes to
          911-DEFLECTION”

          Dalia Mae and Richard Gage(whom gets half of her money) are the real pros when it comes to 911 deflection. They bring “the truth to the youth”, disgusting !!!!!

        • Happy to oblige.
          So sorry if I upset your greatest fans one is showing his real spots .
          After over ten years of examining 911 and discussions with many of the experts and be it that they scandalise Gage, I do not think the boys are going to get far.
          Who would have thought a few years ago that the NY Times would be shamed in New York, it’s home town, with advertisement sdemonstrating the NYT failures to properly report the truth on 9/11 and be found out to be, unwittingly, (?) enabling likely “False Flag’ mas murderers to be at large?
          One day the boys will look up the historic ‘False Flag’ mass murders and tricks and realise that by being naive (?) and not supporting a proper investigation, the perpetrators of such evils will be more confident and feel that such hideous style mass murders may be carried out again for politicial and financial gain with impunity.
          Actually, I feel that the 9/11 ‘perpetrators’ are likey to do another 9/11 in various unknown forms, ( Biological, Nuclear, Financial meltdown [likely being aranged] false flag cyber attack on banks, infrastructure etc.) this time in desperation to avoid the exposures. The ‘Sampson Option’ is a fascinating consideration for the cornered and desperate. The boys will love that one if it is used.
          Next time I hope that the boys are more aware and astute, if it is a really big one, they could well be included as some of the victims, real or collaterally……………..which they have unwittingly, (?) not sought to prevent.

        • “Next time I hope that the boys are more aware and astute, if it is a really big one, they could well be included as some of the victims, real or collaterally……………..which they have unwittingly, (?) not sought to prevent.”

          That’s a good one… And what is it exactly that you’re doing to prevent such events ?

          Believe me, posting messages on the internet is not going to prevent anything from happening… and face it… that’s all you’re doing.

          • Fung Fur,
            If you think outside the square you might appreciate that posting information about a false flag mass murder tends to at least inform people that Govenments and their agencies and aiders and abettors do murder there own citizens to salivate the citizens against the framed group/culture/nation etc. who allegedly carried out the heinous act/s
            if you search the historic false falg killings then you to will be informed. Just a few for you to start with:
            Cresus (sp?) of Rome and his manourverings with Spartacus.
            Hitler’s numerous false flag events to justify political arrests and ends and to justify war, with the last one of dressing up prisoners as Poles, killing them and alledging that they atatcked a German radio asset. He went to war the next day.
            Operation Suzannah, otherwsie know as the Lavon (Defence Minister of Israel) affair when Israeli Sayanin in Egyprt were commissioned by israel to blow up US and English assets (picture theatre included) and put blame on the Arabs.
            The Israeli unmarked military attack (planes and torpedo boats) on the USS Liberty in 1967 murdering over 30 US sailors. The murders were covered up by the US and Israel and termed a mistake. Check it our with Joe Meadows of the USS Liberty group and ex PM of Australia Malcolm Fraser who told theat ABC fellow Jonathon Faine a month or so back, that is was a deliberate attack. Faine called it a mistaken missile (singular) hit. Right: look at the pictures of the USS Liberty limping home with the bodies. By the way, Israel tried to set up Egypt on that one too.
            Operation Northwoods was put to the Kennedy administration in about 1962 by USmilitary Chiefs of staff to cause a war with Cuba. which included the pretend shooting own of a US plane full of colllege kids and dumping of false trial of wreckage for the dumb media to take pictures of no doubt. Kennedy told them to shove it.
            How about NATO’s operation Gladio in Europe, amongst other events, murdering 80 travellers at Bologna arailway station..
            Those few examples should get you and the public thinking about what is not provided by the msm, but here it is in the light of the false flag 911 mass murders that have been used to justify 13 years of invasions and killing……………as planned per General Wesley Clark’s exposure. look up the 2 minute interview in D’s aticle. Now we are in again with ISIS trained in Jordan and finaced by…………….. Look it up, Biden had to retract his comments.
            Exposing these matters provides the public with an insight into government lies, deceit and murderous warmongering policies.
            Now you know; by exposing 9/11 the people, when something similar happens, the public can tell the murderous poitician and their controllers with those who would cover for it and the msms who sponsres it:
            TO SHOVE IT
            and thenwe may have some peace, more money for appropriate spending rather tha chucking it down the throats of arms manufacturers and going into debt to the bankers, who by the way, finace all sides of every conflict.
            Trust that you have learned something from D’s article…….I know I am dreaming, but others will learn and your descendants may be then more secure and in peace.

      • “When six of the 911 Congressional commissioners question their own report , then it is time to examine those questions.”

        Go ahead…

        By the way, don’t you think that it’s strange that the commissioners questioned their own report if they were all in on the game ?

        I would say that that is a contradictio in terminis…

    • I can’t wait for that new investigation. I was hoping Gage would use the money he forks in for a new investigation, but he rather spends it on videos, trips, and ads. So go complain to him if you want a new investigation.

      So bring it on that new investigation. I have been waiting for years for something new to read from truthers.

      Thats your whole problem. You think we have a problem with a new investigation, but we don’t. You know why? Because we care more about the truth than you do, with your so called “research”. If there is ever a new investigation, I would love to read it.

  43. To Down Under:
    So, no criticism about US builders is allowed he, they never make mistakes he, they just make their buildings 5 times stronger than needed he, (dumb ass), are you stupid or do you put too much faith in their abilities ? I may hope for the last.
    Well, let’s take a good look at the Citigroup Center, a 59 floor 915 feet building in New York.(higher then WTC7)
    It failed massively and they were very lucky that hurricane Ella took a shortcut.
    Don’t believe me? Probably not, but then again, you are not structural engineers, this is not taught to you and therefore the info about this building might go way beyond your comprehension. We’ll see, have fun:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup_Center

  44. So 4 dummies from down under want to arrest lots of people in the US, along with a formal president, but without knowing who and why, and most of all, no clue of the scheme.

    • FOUR?
      As for arrests; under the US Patriot Act and the NDA act, and other Presidential executive orders, no need to arrest, just bring them in for some questions………………..indefinitely if they wish.
      What land of fairies do you live in? If it is the US, you are in for a big surprise in the not so distant future……just look around.

      • @Ned,
        “FOUR?
        As for arrests; under the US Patriot Act and the NDA act, and other Presidential executive orders, no need to arrest, just bring them in for some questions………………..indefinitely if they wish.
        What land of fairies do you live in? If it is the US, you are in for a big surprise in the not so distant future……just look around”

        Well Ned, then do it

        • I am in tears and overwhelmed by your encouragement and will pass on your message of support to those who are within the jurisdiction/s to press for a proper investigation and inquiry and will press for the taking in those persons of interest, (POIs) likely to be of assistance to the investigation of the mass murders.
          Mr Wiesenthall would be proud of your stance in encouraging the tracking down of likely; war criminals and those who have committed heinous crimes against humanity.
          As for the land of fairies and where you live! Sorry but I have not read most of your comments and must have missed those few.

  45. I just looked into the termites, although it is biological, not my thing:
    There are termites, super termites and nano termites.
    When genetically altered they eat steel, and lots of it.
    An agent could release a matchbox filled with nano termites and needs to run very fast to get to safety.
    Nano termites eat steel very fast, and therefore fart, and the farts are known as squibs during collapses caused by nano bugs eating steel framed buildings.
    They also poop, what makes iron zinc and chrome oxide fly out of the building
    Also they die during a collapse and then start producing heat by putting out their last breath and fart and poop one more time, and start composing and mummifying.
    Then they change into nano fireflies, go home and leave us with a bunch of light on our cameras.
    That’s my theory and I do not feel the need to prove it.
    It is up to you to disprove it.
    Then the Battle star galactic weapons, …never mind, I will look into that some time later.
    Groetjes van Europa, kusje :)

  46. El Kammo I don’t have to be a genius or be a nutter if I join the very long queue of people desiring of an investigation. You only need to look at these photographs below to realise that the forces demonstrated here and the outward looking ‘explosion’ of the building is not a gravitational collapse – or cenrtainly does NOT look like one. An investigation will test that. (NIST was a No Incendiary Search Tip-off – report).

    It is so simple and it is what countless US groups are asking for – proper investigation – not another NIST – a No Search Investigation.

    You lot are really showing your desperation. Your agenda has been revealed via your handbook – chap 4, – 2.a

    https://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/911-banner.jpg

    or

    https://daliamaelachlan.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/tower-9111.jpg

    • “You lot are really showing your desperation. Your agenda has been revealed via your handbook – chap 4, – 2.a”

      chap 4, – 2.a is about sparetime and sick leave, why do you refer to that?

      • Btw, the desperation is not found on me, but on you and Gage, oh no, not on him, he is doing fine with your money and all.

  47. @Ned,
    “What land of fairies do you live in? If it is the US, ..”

    I have mentioned the country I live in for several times now, but you don’t read and your Dalia keeps on trashing with her itchy finger, so no, not again. She knows, ask her.

  48. The sad part is, that with your 10 years of “research”, you decided to write a childrens book, which s based on nothing actually, because its clear to me, that you did not research anything. So you are selling a book filled with lies, mistakes and distortions to 10 year olds. I bet that must make you real proud.

    • Johnyboy you fail to answer my simple questions – and then go back to attacking the children’s book. The small detail in this event to which you always direct (handbook chap 7) is not of importance.
      1. You are NOT able to cite one similar event to B7. Stumped. (you deflect by citing a poor design). Still waiting for a 100+ examples to make it close to an even possibility
      2. The billowing explosive cloud does not typify a gravitational collapse – you cannot explain.
      3. No proper investigation has been held that was open to all possibilities.
      4. There was molten metal for weeks – a foundry of metal (not aluminium)

      (maybe I’m referring to an old handbook – like your 2002 missing reference)

      • Heres a question for you. How come the Titanic sunk when it hit an iceberg, but there are ships working as icebreakers, and they don’t sink?

        According to you, this should be impossible.

      • And without those small details, your theory washes down the drain. To bad you don’t see that. or understand that. But by all means. Keep “researching” lol :D.

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